Rumor: Trade Rumor/Speculation Thread XXV: It's a Marty Party [*Mod Warning post #132]

[aufheben]

I'm just saying Pittsburgh's defense obviously isn't as subpar as some people think. No need to twist ya knickers. Is saying we don't have a top center going to "great lengths"? It's a fact, an obvious one.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

BTW, this team has centers, it's not like we have garbage. They're just #2 guys. Also, Chicago doesn't have a #2 center. With MSL, I think we'd be able to get away with not having #1 centers.

 

[aufheben]

Stepan has yet to play at a higher level than a #3C in the playoffs.

 

[AHB*]

BTW, this team has centers, it's not like we have garbage. They're just #2 guys. Also, Chicago doesn't have a #2 center. With MSL, I think we'd be able to get away with not having #1 centers.

No team has gotten away without having a #1 and winning the cup, since the lockout.

The closest thing is Boston, but they have Kreicji and Bergeron both of whom are better then any center we employ.

Stepan is a #2 at this point, I don't know that Brassard or Richards are legitimate #2's, either. Brassard is streaky and right now, he's been on a good one, but he also went like 16 games without a point earlier this year. God forbid he does that in the playoffs. Although, as said above, I'd be more worried about Stepans performance, since he becomes a shell when the going gets tough,.

 

[Matt4776]

I gathered from here somewhere Talbot becomes UFA after next season. Since we are committed to Hank, that creates possibility of him walking to become starter.

Blues checking out Miller but assets surrendered almost surely a rental, nothing past this season. Talbot would be all of next year, with a decent possibility to extend as starter.

In short, I propose multiple pieces on short term contracts that put St Louis over the top this year in exchange for two solid blocks we can add to McDonagh + Kreider.

Staal
Stepan
Callahan
MZA
Stralman
Talbot

for
Tarasenko, Shattenkirk + deadwood for headcount, cap

Explain:
Zuc healthy in 2.5 wks; he and Stepan balance out most of what you get offensively from Tarasenko. Calahan puts you over the top.

Staal does great job on left side, Stralman makes Blues not short on the right. Defensively, net gain overall. SLB has enough firepower.

Then, the key is add Talbot, makes deal worth doing for SL.

Rangers pay very high price, but add a top 6 LW and top 1RD to pair with McD.
Assuming Girardi is traded:
McD - Shatty
Moore - Klein
Allen/Falk - Allen/McIlrath

the D is a little thinner on the bottom but we are at least getting McI broken in.
Solid long term 1RD replacing Danny G in place

lines:
Pouilot Richards Nash
Kreider Miller Tarasenko (shoots L put plays RW)
Hagelin Brassard Dorsett/Fast (playing but still preserving, not wasting 1 yr his ELC)
Carcillo Moore Boyle (or replacement)

If we do not have netminder coming back, have to call up temporary David Leneveu (who was last emergency scheduled) or Jason Missiaen just to get through this year playing at least partial minutes in some games where we get far enough ahead.

Note: the above assumes Girardi traded, but does not reflect what we get.
Whatever that turns out to be, gets added into this, unless it is only for Ottawa 1st.

Til tom. Real world work.
Constructive comment invited/appreciated.

So when Richards is bought out, our lines will be:

Kreider-Brassard-Nash
Hagelin-Miller-Tarasenko
Pouliot-Lindberg-Fast
Moore-Boyle-Carcillo

McDonagh-Shattenkirk
Moore-Vatanen (I'll assume G gets traded for the Vatanen+ deal)
Allen-McIlrath

With an ECHL caliber back-up for the rest of the year.

Awful. Just awful.

 

[aufheben]

No team has gotten away without having a #1 and winning the cup, since the lockout.

The closest thing is Boston, but they have Kreicji and Bergeron both of whom are better then any center we employ.

Not to mention Krejci goes into beast mode in the playoffs, while Stepan goes into derp mode. Bergeron plays great in the playoffs as well. Brad Richards had 1 pt in 10 games last spring.

Our 1/2s had 6 points in 22 combined games last playoffs. Plan the parade.

 

[LORENZO]

^^^

Just throw Duclair in too.

 

[Ail]

Managment loves JT Miller, there is no way they trade him unless it is in a package for a bonefide YOUNG star.

 

[RGY]

Managment loves JT Miller, there is no way they trade him unless it is in a package for a bonefide YOUNG star.

We'll see.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

BTW, this team has centers, it's not like we have garbage. They're just #2 guys. Also, Chicago doesn't have a #2 center. With MSL, I think we'd be able to get away with not having #1 centers.

I'd rather have a great #1C like Chicago and deal with that, than have a series of #2/3 guys like the Rangers.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

No team has gotten away without having a #1 and winning the cup, since the lockout.

The closest thing is Boston, but they have Kreicji and Bergeron both of whom are better then any center we employ.

Stepan is a #2 at this point, I don't know that Brassard or Richards are legitimate #2's, either. Brassard is streaky and right now, he's been on a good one, but he also went like 16 games without a point earlier this year. God forbid he does that in the playoffs. Although, as said above, I'd be more worried about Stepans performance, since he becomes a shell when the going gets tough,.

Whatever, I'm not interested in what happened since the lockout that has nothing to do with this team. I do worry about Stepan, he like a plethora of other Rangers disappears in the playoffs. That said that was under Torts not AV.

 

[AHB*]

Whatever, I'm not interested in what happened since the lockout that has nothing to do with this team. I do worry about Stepan, he like a plethora of other Rangers disappears in the playoffs. That said that was under Torts not AV.

Except, that has everything to do with this team. Every single team has had the same constant in winning the cup. YOu don't think that's relative? You think the Rangers are going to be the exception?

What do we have that makes you believe that?

I'll add in that under AV, Stepan has disappeared for most of the season, where he was at least productive under Torts. Brassard was also better under Torts as well, albeit over a short sample size. Richards is the equivalent.

 

[Bardof425*]

Boyle is also better at not being an idiot on skates.

So you disagree that there's too much Dorsett hate?

 

[NoQuitInNewMexico]

I'd rather have a great #1C like Chicago and deal with that, than have a series of #2/3 guys like the Rangers.

I think everyone agrees, I just don't know if there is a viable path to that kind of player. A deal for a player like Grigs/Kadri or a Garth Snovian "trade the whole draft to move up" gambit still costs us a ton of assets, is still a risk, is still a major time commitment etc.

 

[RGY]

So you disagree that there's too much Dorsett hate?

Hate? He is just not a very good hockey player. He is nothing more than a 4th liner. Boyle and Moore are both much, much better overall players.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

Whatever, I'm not interested in what happened since the lockout that has nothing to do with this team. I do worry about Stepan, he like a plethora of other Rangers disappears in the playoffs. That said that was under Torts not AV.

That much is clear.

Whats that they say about people who don't learn from history??.....

ahhh, nevermind, as long as it makes Snowblind

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

I think everyone agrees, I just don't know if there is a viable path to that kind of player. A deal for a player like Grigs/Kadri or a Garth Snovian "trade the whole draft to move up" gambit still costs us a ton of assets, is still a risk, is still a major time commitment etc.

I dont disagree.

But its been almost 20 years. Something should have worked by now.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

So you disagree that there's too much Dorsett hate?

I dont think he belongs back in the lineup yet. I see him and Carcillo and interchangeable. Im not in love with them playing together.

I think you calling him a better PK'er than Boyle is one of the most laughable things ever written on this board.

 

[RGY]

I dont disagree.

But its been almost 20 years. Something should have worked by now.

Thats the ****** part.

 

[Bardof425*]

LOL WHAT?

Dorsett better on the PK than Boyle? Your Boyle hate is hysterical. You have to be kidding with this stuff. Boyle is exponentially better defensively than Dorsett is.

Yes, you read it correctly. Boyle is a sloth and although he has some reach and can win draws, opposing forwards move the puck around him like he's a pylon. Sometimes his stick or body gets in the way but that's true for all forwards who are killing penalties. Dorsett has better puck skills, better instincts (it appears) and better agility on his skates (not even close). He's also better at holding onto the puck once he gets it. There's an argument to be made on both sides but neither guy is exponentially better than the other; sorry.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

Except, that has everything to do with this team. Every single team has had the same constant in winning the cup. YOu don't think that's relative? You think the Rangers are going to be the exception?

What do we have that makes you believe that?

I'll add in that under AV, Stepan has disappeared for most of the season, where he was at least productive under Torts. Brassard was also better under Torts as well, albeit over a short sample size. Richards is the equivalent.

Its true.

I hate trying to nail down a definitive roster recipe for winning a championship -- but one constant, always, is an elite #1 centerman.

 

[JimmyG89]

They both have a lower GA than us. We'll see.

IF we come out of the East, then there's the Sharks, the Blackhawks, the Blues, the Kings.

3 goals more than pens. They have played 1 less game. With Marc-Andre 5-hole in net, that should move to our favor shortly.

GA =/= better defense. We know Hank had struggles early. So did the entire team. It has been a different team after an adjustment period. I do not believe it is fair to judge the team off the first 15-20 games. The last 40 are more telling. Have they had struggles? Sure, but nothing compared to earlier.

 

[Ail]

MSL asked for a trade to NY in 2009:

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/st-louis-asked-for-trade-to-rangers-in-2009/

 

[aufheben]

Boyle is a beast PKer.

 

[Bardof425*]

It didn't take a hit because Boyle and Callahan stayed.

It didn't take a hit cause of Hank and McD. Cally is very active on the pk and breaks up alot of plays/passes. Boyle, not so much. Over Friggin' rated defensively. Again, I hope the rest of the league see things your way and we get a good pick when we deal him as a rental. Or we can keep him. I don't care. AV is using him correctly unlike the numb nut who preceded him.