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Bardof425 said:
Yes, you read it correctly. Boyle is a sloth and although he has some reach and can win draws, opposing forwards move the puck around him like he's a pylon. Sometimes his stick or body gets in the way but that's true for all forwards who are killing penalties. Dorsett has better puck skills, better instincts (it appears) and better agility on his skates (not even close). He's also better at holding onto the puck once he gets it. There's an argument to be made on both sides but neither guy is exponentially better than the other; sorry.
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You are so laughably biased regarding Boyle. Wow. :laugh:

Yeah. One of the best PKers in the league just sucks. Give me a break.
 
Ail said:
Yeah, maybe it has just been a long time coming and mounting since then. :dunno:
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I just hope its not a way to get Sather to funnel all his attention to St. Louis.

He needs to keep all options open through Wednesday and pick the best one. Tunnel vision on the guy thats just begging to come to NY does no good.
 
Bleed Ranger Blue said:
I just hope its not a way to get Sather to funnel all his attention to St. Louis.

He needs to keep all options open through Wednesday and pick the best one. Tunnel vision on the guy thats just begging to come to NY does no good.
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Callahan to team X

Flip a couple of pieces from that trade to TBL for MSL
 
Son of Steinbrenner said:
I understand why most people want to let Callahan go. The thing is the current Rangers aren't in a position to rebuild. The trade scenario's of getting strictly prospects for Callahan are what I take issue with.

We can sit here and say Callahan has crazy demands but they aren't crazy.....You know why? A team will pay him what he wants. The market is what it is. Is the market crazy? Perhaps but Callahan is asking for what he's worth. Would I pay him what he's asking for? No, but a team will. That doesn't make his demands exorbitant.

Losing Callahan for nothing would suck but the Rangers aren't close to trading him yet. If they were he wouldn't be practicing or playing. Fans need to brace themselves for the scenario that a team doesn't meet the Rangers demands and Callahan isn't traded.

The Rangers can keep Callahan for the playoff run and trade his rights at the draft. I know the instant gratification fans will hate that but I don't care. The Rangers should not give Callahan away. They should be looking to improve the team not the organization..
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It's crazy cause in a cap world if you have a right wing making about $2M more than he's worth every year, you have to get production out of someone else who is massively overachieving. And that assumes you don't have other overpaid players. Teams have to evaluate contracts in that context. Cally is an important player but not $7Mper important. If he wants to stay here he needs to bring down his demands. And if being here isn't that important then good riddance.
 
Re: MSL in 2009,

Someone just said on Twitter Tortorella was hired in 2009 two weeks before the trade deadline.

DUN DUN DUN...
 
Stepan's playoff career is 37 games. I don't think you could examine 37 fish in the sea and make a conclusion about the ecosystem.

Also, he's a college player, so he's still adjusting to the length of the schedule. In Joe Pavelski's first 3 NHL postseasons he scored 0.44 Pts/GP. In his 4 since then, 0.796. Anecdotal, but hey.
 
bernmeister said:
I gathered from here somewhere Talbot becomes UFA after next season. Since we are committed to Hank, that creates possibility of him walking to become starter.

Blues checking out Miller but assets surrendered almost surely a rental, nothing past this season. Talbot would be all of next year, with a decent possibility to extend as starter.

In short, I propose multiple pieces on short term contracts that put St Louis over the top this year in exchange for two solid blocks we can add to McDonagh + Kreider.

Staal
Stepan
Callahan
MZA
Stralman
Talbot

for
Tarasenko, Shattenkirk + deadwood for headcount, cap

Explain:
Zuc healthy in 2.5 wks; he and Stepan balance out most of what you get offensively from Tarasenko. Calahan puts you over the top.

Staal does great job on left side, Stralman makes Blues not short on the right. Defensively, net gain overall. SLB has enough firepower.

Then, the key is add Talbot, makes deal worth doing for SL.

Rangers pay very high price, but add a top 6 LW and top 1RD to pair with McD.
Assuming Girardi is traded:
McD - Shatty
Moore - Klein
Allen/Falk - Allen/McIlrath

the D is a little thinner on the bottom but we are at least getting McI broken in.
Solid long term 1RD replacing Danny G in place

lines:
Pouilot Richards Nash
Kreider Miller Tarasenko (shoots L put plays RW)
Hagelin Brassard Dorsett/Fast (playing but still preserving, not wasting 1 yr his ELC)
Carcillo Moore Boyle (or replacement)

If we do not have netminder coming back, have to call up temporary David Leneveu (who was last emergency scheduled) or Jason Missiaen just to get through this year playing at least partial minutes in some games where we get far enough ahead.

Note: the above assumes Girardi traded, but does not reflect what we get.
Whatever that turns out to be, gets added into this, unless it is only for Ottawa 1st.

Til tom. Real world work.
Constructive comment invited/appreciated.
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You can't put something out there that is this idiotic and expect constructive responses. Let me try; NO
 
Bleed Ranger Blue said:
Its true.

I hate trying to nail down a definitive roster recipe for winning a championship -- but one constant, always, is an elite #1 centerman.
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Yea, I mean i think you could argue that it's possible to get by without an ELITE #1, ala Bergeron (although he's right near elite in my eyes), but you certainly can't get by with a #2.
 
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Stepan's playoff career is 37 games. I don't think you could examine 37 fish in the sea and make a conclusion about the ecosystem.

Also, he's a college player, so he's still adjusting to the length of the schedule. In Joe Pavelski's first 3 NHL postseasons he scored 0.44 Pts/GP. In his 4 since then, 0.796. Anecdotal, but hey.
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I'm sure he'll improve eventually, just not sure if it will be sooner rather than later.
 
Bleed Ranger Blue said:
Yet, he reupped with Tampa after that. Doesn't add up. Could just be more posturing.
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I think it had more to do with the change of the guard in Tampa. Until 2008 the core of that team was there. All of a sudden Richards and Boyle are gone, Torts is fired and the team is one of the worst in the league after winning the cup a few years prior. Partly I think it had to do with the feeling that the team was gutted as well as Barry Melrose who many of the players didnt like, and how I still cant figure out how he was regarded as a good coach. I wish we would have tried to sign him in 2010 now that I think about it, even though my belief at the time was that he was only going to get worse even though he didnt. Whats even worse is we could have had Stamkos too in 2008.
 
Everyone is saying they are reluctant to jump on Kesler because he is injury prone so I looked up his seasonal games played and since 07' His played in 80, 82, 82, 82, 77, then of course last year was a down year 10-11. Last year it was a broken foot from blocking a shot, after that it was the torn labrum during the playoffs. Overall nothing out of the ordinary for a hockey player. Maybe I'm being short sighted but I'd give him more consideration than what most people are giving him.

Edit: I just ready about the shoulder tear and wrist injury...ok maybe its a bit of a gamble.
 
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Bird Law said:
You are so laughably biased regarding Boyle. Wow. :laugh:

Yeah. One of the best PKers in the league just sucks. Give me a break.
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Who says he's one of the best in the league? You? That's funny. He's good at it but no better than Dorsett or any of the other effective pkers around. have you ever seen Toews or Datsyk kills penalties? Or Callahan or Hagelin or Grabner? Different league because of skating ability, puck skills and instincts. You need to do more than just get in the way to kill penalties. Admitedly, he does get in the way enough to get the ice time, but he is far from one of the best in the league.
 
Son of Steinbrenner said:
I understand why most people want to let Callahan go. The thing is the current Rangers aren't in a position to rebuild. The trade scenario's of getting strictly prospects for Callahan are what I take issue with.

We can sit here and say Callahan has crazy demands but they aren't crazy.....You know why? A team will pay him what he wants. The market is what it is. Is the market crazy? Perhaps but Callahan is asking for what he's worth. Would I pay him what he's asking for? No, but a team will. That doesn't make his demands exorbitant.

Losing Callahan for nothing would suck but the Rangers aren't close to trading him yet. If they were he wouldn't be practicing or playing. Fans need to brace themselves for the scenario that a team doesn't meet the Rangers demands and Callahan isn't traded.

The Rangers can keep Callahan for the playoff run and trade his rights at the draft. I know the instant gratification fans will hate that but I don't care. The Rangers should not give Callahan away. They should be looking to improve the team not the organization..
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Well Said.
The marketplace is flooded with forwards. The return for Callahan wont be near what many people think.
There is a chance (more than the 1% chance Dreger suggested) that Callahan is here all year as you suggest.

Many will scream "poor Asset Management", but that is how 95% of teams in major sports run their operation. UFAs on contending teams are not dealt for draft picks or futures very often.
 
Bardof425 said:
It's crazy cause in a cap world if you have a right wing making about $2M more than he's worth every year, you have to get production out of someone else who is massively overachieving. And that assumes you don't have other overpaid players. Teams have to evaluate contracts in that context. Cally is an important player but not $7Mper important. If he wants to stay here he needs to bring down his demands. And if being here isn't that important then good riddance.
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I feel like I beat the drum on this a lot but if I was a fan of a team mired in the basement forever my sole purpose as an HFBoards poster would be telling my GM to overpay players like Ryan Callahan. It's not a perfectly efficient allocation of resources and there will be some amount of Judgment Day when the team wants to make a push and they have an old third liner with a $7m caphit, but those teams need to get better now. It's not healthy for the kids at the Isles, Buffalo or especially Edmonton to suck that bad for that long.
 
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