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BrooklynRangersFan said:
It seems crystal clear to me that there are three moves that should be made: trade one of your RHDs, one of your RWs (3rd most important, if not a 3rd liner per se) and one of your four 4th liners.

-Trade Cally for 2 young players/prospects/picks + a conditional.
-Re-sign Girardi.
-Trade Stralman for 1 young player/prospect/pick + a conditional.
-Trade Boyle for a pick.
-Re-sign Brassard, Pouliot, D. Moore, Carcillo (yes, I said it), J. Moore.
-Pursue St. Louis in the offseason or, preferably, wait for him to become an UFA and, if we need him, sign him in summer '15.

Or:

-Trade Cally for 2 young players/prospects/picks + a conditional.
-Trade Girardi for 2-3 young players/prospects/picks + a conditional.
-Re-sign Stralman.
-Trade Boyle for a pick.
-Re-sign Brassard, Pouliot, D. Moore, Carcillo, J. Moore.
-Pursue St. Louis in the offseason or, preferably, wait for him to become an UFA and, if we need him, sign him in summer '15.

Those are my scenarios - obviously they're basically the same, hinging on whether or not they can come to terms with Girardi and/or what other teams are willing to pony up to get him. The only other variation I can see is if someone is willing to pay significantly more for Dorsett/D. Moore/Carcillo, then you move that guy instead of Boyle (although I don't see it happening).
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Maybe I missed the memo but are the Rangers rebuilding?


Can we stop pretending the team is trading either Callahan or Girardi for players that won't help the team now. Lets get back to reality.....

Before the break the Rangers outplayed Pittsburgh. Last night they outplayed the Blackhawks (for the second time this season) maybe, just maybe, the Rangers are a pretty good team. Maybe, just maybe, MSL puts the Rangers "over the top" in the East. Maybe, just maybe, that's enough to make a cup run because the East is wide open....Maybe?

Now, the "anything can happen" police will have a problem with my post. You know the posters that hate when somebody says anything can happen, yet want to trade for prospects because the whole basis of adding a prospect is the hope that anything can happen. The hypocrites that cry about possibly losing Fast because he MIGHT develop into a 3rd line RW but are to afraid to make a bold move.


It's amazing to me that Ranger fans want to rebuild a team that isn't close to being a in a position to rebuild. It's like some posters waited for the season to start, saw the horrendous start, and came up with this notion the team has to rebuild. It doesn't matter what this team has done since October, they started the season badly! I think if the Rangers got off to a hot start and then struggled posters would be saying "hey, look at how they started the season, they have it in them to play better". Here, we have the opposite scenario the team struggled and has played light years better but some posters don't care. The Rangers winning games actually hurts their position. You people know it's true! If the Rangers lose to Philly tomorrow people won't care how the team has played lately. If they beat Philly tomorrow but lose to Boston Sunday they will cry rebuild.

It's the same posters, year after year, who look for any losing streak and declare the team an abject failure and decide it's time to rebuild. It's ********..
 
"A few years ago" was nearly 4 years ago now, and Halak has been plagued by inconsistency since then. He's just not "on" often enough and that makes a team like the Blues nervous.
 
NYR Viper said:
He won't re-sign for 1.5 million. Look around the league. Players like him make well over 2.
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To me, Susan doesnt seem like a guy who needs to maximize his salary-potential. Im pretty sure he'd take a little bit of a discount to stay with the club, as he is one of the main personalities in this roster and has been that for years. And it seems he enjoys it.
I really think we could sign him to a 1.5-1.7 deal.
 
Son of Steinbrenner said:
Maybe I missed the memo but are the Rangers rebuilding?


Can we stop pretending the team is trading either Callahan or Girardi for players that won't help the team now. Lets get back to reality.....

Before the break the Rangers outplayed Pittsburgh. Last night they outplayed the Blackhawks (for the second time this season) maybe, just maybe, the Rangers are a pretty good team. Maybe, just maybe, MSL puts the Rangers "over the top" in the East. Maybe, just maybe, that's enough to make a cup run because the East is wide open....Maybe?

Now, the "anything can happen" police will have a problem with my post. You know the posters that hate when somebody says anything can happen, yet want to trade for prospects because the whole basis of adding a prospect is the hope that anything can happen. The hypocrites that cry about possibly losing Fast because he MIGHT develop into a 3rd line RW but are to afraid to make a bold move.


It's amazing to me that Ranger fans want to rebuild a team that isn't close to being a in a position to rebuild. It's like some posters waited for the season to start, saw the horrendous start, and came up with this notion the team has to rebuild. It doesn't matter what this team has done since October, they started the season badly! I think if the Rangers got off to a hot start and then struggled posters would be saying "hey, look at how they started the season, they have it in them to play better". Here, we have the opposite scenario the team struggled and has played light years better but some posters don't care. The Rangers winning games actually hurts their position. You people know it's true! If the Rangers lose to Philly tomorrow people won't care how the team has played lately. If they beat Philly tomorrow but lose to Boston Sunday they will cry rebuild.

It's the same posters, year after year, who look for any losing streak and declare the team an abject failure and decide it's time to rebuild. It's ********..
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Maybe I read this wrong but essentially it seems you think "People want to trade Cally b/c they think we are in a rebuild bc we had a crappy first half of the season" But most people want cally to go simply bc we are realistically looking at the likelihood of re-signing him to his exhorbitant contract request. If he was being even remotely reasonable no one would be asking to move him. This is evident in the Girardi thread where his requested contract is VERY reasonable and almost no one actually wants Girardi gone.
 
shoves said:
To me, Susan doesnt seem like a guy who needs to maximize his salary-potential. Im pretty sure he'd take a little bit of a discount to stay with the club, as he is one of the main personalities in this roster and has been that for years. And it seems he enjoys it.
I really think we could sign him to a 1.5-1.7 deal.
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Why? This is most likely his one shot at a long term, high paying contract.
 
Son of Steinbrenner said:
Maybe I missed the memo but are the Rangers rebuilding?


Can we stop pretending the team is trading either Callahan or Girardi for players that won't help the team now. Lets get back to reality.....

Before the break the Rangers outplayed Pittsburgh. Last night they outplayed the Blackhawks (for the second time this season) maybe, just maybe, the Rangers are a pretty good team. Maybe, just maybe, MSL puts the Rangers "over the top" in the East. Maybe, just maybe, that's enough to make a cup run because the East is wide open....Maybe?

Now, the "anything can happen" police will have a problem with my post. You know the posters that hate when somebody says anything can happen, yet want to trade for prospects because the whole basis of adding a prospect is the hope that anything can happen. The hypocrites that cry about possibly losing Fast because he MIGHT develop into a 3rd line RW but are to afraid to make a bold move.


It's amazing to me that Ranger fans want to rebuild a team that isn't close to being a in a position to rebuild. It's like some posters waited for the season to start, saw the horrendous start, and came up with this notion the team has to rebuild. It doesn't matter what this team has done since October, they started the season badly! I think if the Rangers got off to a hot start and then struggled posters would be saying "hey, look at how they started the season, they have it in them to play better". Here, we have the opposite scenario the team struggled and has played light years better but some posters don't care. The Rangers winning games actually hurts their position. You people know it's true! If the Rangers lose to Philly tomorrow people won't care how the team has played lately. If they beat Philly tomorrow but lose to Boston Sunday they will cry rebuild.

It's the same posters, year after year, who look for any losing streak and declare the team an abject failure and decide it's time to rebuild. It's ********..
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Every year, posters are yelling for a rebuild, not only when we lose. The team is never good enough and they think a rebuild will guarantee them to become the Pens or Hawks. It's ridiculous. If we rebuild I can see these posters *****ing about how much the team sucks. The Rangers are on one of the better stretches they've been on in years, they won 6 of 7, including wins against 2 (arguably 3) of the best teams in the NHL. Yet all we see is the same garbage about rebuilding. Rangers fans just seem to want what they don't have an love to complain.
 
Son of Steinbrenner said:
It's amazing to me that Ranger fans want to rebuild a team that isn't close to being a in a position to rebuild. It's like some posters waited for the season to start, saw the horrendous start, and came up with this notion the team has to rebuild. It doesn't matter what this team has done since October, they started the season badly! I think if the Rangers got off to a hot start and then struggled posters would be saying "hey, look at how they started the season, they have it in them to play better". Here, we have the opposite scenario the team struggled and has played light years better but some posters don't care. The Rangers winning games actually hurts their position. You people know it's true! If the Rangers lose to Philly tomorrow people won't care how the team has played lately. If they beat Philly tomorrow but lose to Boston Sunday they will cry rebuild.

It's the same posters, year after year, who look for any losing streak and declare the team an abject failure and decide it's time to rebuild. It's ********..
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Haha someone around here said in their opinion the season was over after 10 games this year.

I can understand the idea that if the team isn't good enough to win the cup why keep scrabbling to just make the playoffs, etc, instead of rebuilding, but I think you have to keep re-evaluating how good the team is. I think they've got some flaws...I think every team has some flaws, but yeah maybe if they keep playing like this then those are flaws you can fix before the playoffs and actually have a chance, not flaws that are insurmountable.
 
Trxjw said:
My point was that the trade disrupted the room. You responded with:



You acknowledged in the very first line of that post that the trade WAS a variable that "can disrupt a team". If your argument is that I can't prove it disrupted the team because a lot of other things happened, then it's completely pointless to even discuss it. You can't disprove the notion that it disrupted the team by saying there were other things involved. Particularly when the point at hand was the catalyst for several of the other variables you brought up.

I'm just going to agree to disagree here. It's pointless.
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Nooo man i said trading core guys WHILE ALSO and then I list a LARGE number of OTHER things that had to happen in conjunction with the trade. Then I made about 20 other posts clearly explaining how I honestly think "the trade of two core guys for Nash actually helped the team and that it was the loss of all the other guys that hurt the team but I understand if people feel the Nash trade hurt as well". C'mon at least quote the whole thing not less than half the sentence in a vaccuum so that it takes on a whole new meaning out of context.

I acknowledge it COULD of disrupted the team but I don't agree that it absolutely DID. Big difference between "can" and "did".
 
Son of Steinbrenner said:
Maybe I missed the memo but are the Rangers rebuilding?


Can we stop pretending the team is trading either Callahan or Girardi for players that won't help the team now. Lets get back to reality.....

Before the break the Rangers outplayed Pittsburgh. Last night they outplayed the Blackhawks (for the second time this season) maybe, just maybe, the Rangers are a pretty good team. Maybe, just maybe, MSL puts the Rangers "over the top" in the East. Maybe, just maybe, that's enough to make a cup run because the East is wide open....Maybe?

Now, the "anything can happen" police will have a problem with my post. You know the posters that hate when somebody says anything can happen, yet want to trade for prospects because the whole basis of adding a prospect is the hope that anything can happen. The hypocrites that cry about possibly losing Fast because he MIGHT develop into a 3rd line RW but are to afraid to make a bold move.


It's amazing to me that Ranger fans want to rebuild a team that isn't close to being a in a position to rebuild. It's like some posters waited for the season to start, saw the horrendous start, and came up with this notion the team has to rebuild. It doesn't matter what this team has done since October, they started the season badly! I think if the Rangers got off to a hot start and then struggled posters would be saying "hey, look at how they started the season, they have it in them to play better". Here, we have the opposite scenario the team struggled and has played light years better but some posters don't care. The Rangers winning games actually hurts their position. You people know it's true! If the Rangers lose to Philly tomorrow people won't care how the team has played lately. If they beat Philly tomorrow but lose to Boston Sunday they will cry rebuild.

It's the same posters, year after year, who look for any losing streak and declare the team an abject failure and decide it's time to rebuild. It's ********..
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As the self-appointed cheif of the Anything Can Happen Police Force, I don't have a problem with this post.

As of January they've been playing mostly like an actual team and not the horrid abomination that was the first 30 games. The MSL trade puts them in talks as a team with a good chance to come out of the East. I still don't think they can take the winner of the West in a best of 7, but they are making me a believer slowly.

That on top of the fact Sather appears to be taking a compromising approach on the pending free agents that ranges between trading Callahan for help now, and possibly later, as well as locking Girardi up, or moving him for young potential talent on the back end.

These are the kinds of moves a smart team makes in these situations. Keeping both Callahan and Girardi, or re-signing both, as well as buying rentals and giving away the future are not. Depending on how the next 5 days shake out, I will have a lot more faith in this team moving in to the post-season.
 
how about signing Steve Downie and Steve Ott as an UFA in july???


Downie is only 26 years old and 31 years old for Ott.. provides grit toughness and the ability to drive the other team nuts.. has good skill for 3rd line.


Ott and Downie on the same line would be fun to watch...
 
Ail said:
As the self-appointed cheif of the Anything Can Happen Police Force, I don't have a problem with this post.

As of January they've been playing mostly like an actual team and not the horrid abomination that was the first 30 games. The MSL trade puts them in talks as a team with a good chance to come out of the East. I still don't think they can take the winner of the West in a best of 7, but they are making me a believer slowly.

That on top of the fact Sather appears to be taking a compromising approach on the pending free agents that ranges between trading Callahan for help now, and possibly later, as well as locking Girardi up, or moving him for young potential talent on the back end.

These are the kinds of moves a smart team makes in these situations. Keeping both Callahan and Girardi, or re-signing both, as well as buying rentals and giving away the future are not. Depending on how the next 5 days shake out, I will have a lot more faith in this team moving in to the post-season.
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How dare you be cautiously optimistic.
 
Team is on the rise. They are legitimizing themselves in the East right now and people are more worried about them maximizing their assets rather than competing...and I know why...because the argument is "well are we better than boston or pittsburgh? No so we might as well recoup assets."Afraid of the big bad Penguins and Bruins. We have the 3rd best team in the East. People claim we only beat bad teams...beating chicago twice in the last two months...second time with our backup, who albeit had been great, but still our backup against some of the most dangerous forwards in the league. i cant stand the boyle trade proposals. The stralman trade proposals. The talk of dealing staal (who was lights out last night) instead of girardi because the conspiracy theorists have his contract already written by Carolina. I understand Callahan going. Girardi should be re-signed. Make some moves if they are there at the deadline for additions and go compete for a playoff run. Crosby isnt going anywhere anytime soon, pittsburgh is always gona be there...so why bother any season? Just constantly rebuild until we get the next crosby
 
Punxrocknyc19 said:
how about signing Steve Downie and Steve Ott as an UFA in july???


Downie is only 26 years old and 31 years old for Ott.. provides grit toughness and the ability to drive the other team nuts.. has good skill for 3rd line.


Ott and Downie on the same line would be fun to watch...
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How about no.
 
I would love Downie. As close to the guy in my avatar as we can get. Delicious player
 
aufheben said:
Trading for young players and draft picks doesn't mean you're "rebuilding".
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Clearly Boston was in the midst of a massive rebuild when they traded Kessel, as was San Jose at the deadline last year.:sarcasm:

I feel like people see things in black or white with no in between. Teams can trade away older or expiring assets for futures such as young players, prospects, and picks and still remain competitive and perhaps become even more successful than they were before.
 
RGY said:
I think the Rangers end up coughing up Miller for MSL. Just my opinion so no one fly off the handle because i know some love JT here. I like him too, but he is NHL ready. Depending on what TBL wants it could be Callahan/Miller/2nd or a 3-team kinda deal and its say Stewart/Miller/STL pick


Thank you for the insight.
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I don't think we will win a cup with MSL this year or next and I think it definitely hurts the future to lose JTM so I wouldn't do that. I don't think Sather will give up Miller or McI. I think anything else is on the table prospect/pick wise. That's just what I think Sather and the organization will cling to.
 
aufheben said:
Trading for young players and draft picks doesn't mean you're "rebuilding".
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If an elite player is on the market for a cutrate price (we don't know, really, but if) and we pass him up for Jesper Fast and a couple of second round draft picks, we are rebuilding. At least we're not taking the next couple years very seriously.
 
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