Rumor: Trade Rumor/Speculation Thread XXV: It's a Marty Party [*Mod Warning post #132]

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

Espo sounds like a blathering, senile old man. He barely makes sense. Frighteningly enough, he is only two years older than Sather.

In years past, when Sather spoke, he always just came off as a big shot that often made stupid decisions.

In the past year or so, I've been pretty worried about how he sounds which, in a word, is confused.

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

It seems crystal clear to me that there are three moves that should be made: trade one of your RHDs, one of your RWs (3rd most important, if not a 3rd liner per se) and one of your four 4th liners.

-Trade Cally for 2 young players/prospects/picks + a conditional.
-Re-sign Girardi.
-Trade Stralman for 1 young player/prospect/pick + a conditional.
-Trade Boyle for a pick.
-Re-sign Brassard, Pouliot, D. Moore, Carcillo (yes, I said it), J. Moore.
-Pursue St. Louis in the offseason or, preferably, wait for him to become an UFA and, if we need him, sign him in summer '15.

Or:

-Trade Cally for 2 young players/prospects/picks + a conditional.
-Trade Girardi for 2-3 young players/prospects/picks + a conditional.
-Re-sign Stralman.
-Trade Boyle for a pick.
-Re-sign Brassard, Pouliot, D. Moore, Carcillo, J. Moore.
-Pursue St. Louis in the offseason or, preferably, wait for him to become an UFA and, if we need him, sign him in summer '15.

Those are my scenarios - obviously they're basically the same, hinging on whether or not they can come to terms with Girardi and/or what other teams are willing to pony up to get him. The only other variation I can see is if someone is willing to pay significantly more for Dorsett/D. Moore/Carcillo, then you move that guy instead of Boyle (although I don't see it happening).

 

[NYR Viper]

Agree somewhat. Might hurt our depth in the short-run, though.

Can Carcillo be an every game guy in the playoffs?

I don't mind keeping Boyle around and letting him walk in July. He always plays big in the playoffs. This of course unless we get something outrageous offered for him like the Sabres got with Gaustad a few years back

Just to put that trade in perspective (mostly for myself since it's a Friday and a boring morning at work). Since that trade, Gaustad has played 97 games with the Predators. 10 goals, 13 assists.

That pick ended up in the hands of Calgary. Buffalo traded up to 14th overall (the first they got from the Preds, and their second rounder) and selected Girgensons. Calgary selected Jankowski. Maata went the pick after that. Malcolm Subban 3 picks after Jankowski.

Again, I would take a 2nd rounder and be totally fine. And I believe they could get more.

Carcillo has been an everyday player for this team for 21 games and has been effective. Other teams hate the guy. He is a pain in the ass but he can skate and hit and knows his role. I like him, surprisingly.

How does Tyler Myers do in a man defense?

Part of me thinks he's flaked out after he got his money... Pegula gave him a retirement contract that old UFAs get...

another part of me understands that Tyler Myers plays nice guy hockey...

6'8" and can really skate... would cover a ton of ice in a man system... he doesn't get mad, but when he does he is a monster...

emotionally disengaged player... could be a personality thing... seeing what AV's getting out of Pouliot and Brass.. does the same happen for Myers?

Would want Buf to retain salary in any deal.

I was watching the Sabres game a couple of nights ago. They are still VERY high on him. He has been playing much better this year and they need money on the books to hit the floor for next season. They won't be moving him.

LOL WHAT?

Dorsett better on the PK than Boyle? Your Boyle hate is hysterical. You have to be kidding with this stuff. Boyle is exponentially better defensively than Dorsett is.

Boyle is a very good PKer in terms of winning face-offs and blocking shots. Look around the league. The best PK's are the ones who skate well and can put pressure on the other team. Boyle is not exactly swift.

He is a good player, but like I said, the drop off from Boyle to Dorsett in terms of their 5-8 minutes a night is not that substantial.

 

[NYR Viper]

It seems crystal clear to me that there are three moves that should be made: trade one of your RHDs, one of your RWs (3rd most important, if not a 3rd liner per se) and one of your four 4th liners.

-Trade Cally for 2 young players/prospects/picks + a conditional.
-Re-sign Girardi.
-Trade Stralman for 1 young player/prospect/pick + a conditional.
-Trade Boyle for a pick.
-Re-sign Brassard, Pouliot, D. Moore, Carcillo (yes, I said it), J. Moore.
-Pursue St. Louis in the offseason or, preferably, wait for him to become an UFA and, if we need him, sign him in summer '15.

Or:

-Trade Cally for 2 young players/prospects/picks + a conditional.
-Trade Girardi for 2-3 young players/prospects/picks + a conditional.
-Re-sign Stralman.
-Trade Boyle for a pick.
-Re-sign Brassard, Pouliot, D. Moore, Carcillo, J. Moore.
-Pursue St. Louis in the offseason or, preferably, wait for him to become an UFA and, if we need him, sign him in summer '15.

Those are my scenarios - obviously they're basically the same, hinging on whether or not they can come to terms with Girardi and/or what other teams are willing to pony up to get him. The only other variation I can see is if someone is willing to pay significantly more for Dorsett/D. Moore/Carcillo, then you move that guy instead of Boyle (although I don't see it happening).

That's pretty much it.

Girardi or Stralman are dealt.
Callahan is dealt.
Boyle is dealt.

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

That's pretty much it.

Girardi or Stralman are dealt.
Callahan is dealt.
Boyle is dealt.

Yup. Retains all of the players who are clicking under AV's system, sets them up nicely for the future - and I honestly think it has less impact on this year's chances than many here seem to believe.

 

[RangerBoy]

What are the Rangers trading for St. Louis? Bob McKenzie was on TSN radio from Toronto yesterday. He said Tampa has set a price point which the Rangers aren't meeting and have no plans of meeting. Move on.

 

[Miller Time NYR]

I don't think anything major is going to go on until Sunday night/Monday morning the earliest, too many teams still seaming my in it, this weekend will sway a lot of teams one way or the other


Also if Tampa's demands are too high move on, sign Marty next offseason. I'm sure a lot of people around here will want Sather to meet Yzermans demands because a lot of people need a shiny new toy but we shouldn't break the bank for a guy that wants to play here and will soon be a UFA.

 

[Hunter Gathers]

is a very good PKer in terms of winning face-offs and blocking shots. Look around the league. The best PK's are the ones who skate well and can put pressure on the other team. Boyle is not exactly swift.

He is a good player, but like I said, the drop off from Boyle to Dorsett in terms of their 5-8 minutes a night is not that substantial.

That's an oversimplification for sure. Boyle is more than good enough of a skater to put pressure on (considering he does it every game). He's one of the best PKers in the league.

I like Dorsett. But I'd much rather have Boyle out there late in the game.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

What are the Rangers trading for St. Louis? Bob McKenzie was on TSN radio from Toronto yesterday. He said Tampa has set a price point which the Rangers aren't meeting and have no plans of meeting. Move on.

How long have you followed trades? You get reports like this all the time, it's a negotiation. Doesn't mean a trade won't happen. Nor does it mean it will. Seems like you're saying "move on" just because YOU don't want it to happen.

 

[NYR Viper]

That's an oversimplification for sure. Boyle is more than good enough of a skater to put pressure on (considering he does it every game). He's one of the best PKers in the league.

I like Dorsett. But I'd much rather have Boyle out there late in the game.

People cried when Dubinsky and Anismov left that the PK would take a huge hit. It didn't. Boyle is a good, useful player, but he is not worth holding onto him as a pure rental for the rest of the season.

Would you be okay paying a 2nd rounder for Boyle's services for the rest of the season? Same principle.

 

[NYR Viper]

John Vogl ‏@BuffNewsVogl 1m
Christian Ehrhoff confirms he recently gave Sabres his list of teams to which he won't accept a trade. Was not surprised Sabres asked for it

Ehrhoff has a super long contract but he is a legit top-pairing puck mover.

 

[jskramer83]

Really hope we are not putting all our eggs in the St Louis basket. Last thing we need is to get so focused on this, that other teams such as the Blues, think they have no more chance and move on to other options.

 

[Cliffy1814]

Shoots and scores? Are you kidding me?

This video was a disgrace. Espo is a MORON. He didn't even bother looking in to any of the facts and then started doing what he always does, get loud mouthed and indignant. What an ignorant old buffoon.

I hope this gets major exposure and everyone laughs in his dumb face.

The language and the tone are embarrassing.

He's pissed as I am sure Yzerman is.
He probably feels the Rangers leaked this through Brooks/Boomer. I don't think that is a stretch, and I can't believe he really believes Brooks/Boomer made this up out of thin air.
Yzerman/Sather had been talking about a deal and probably got the sense Tampa would wait until the off season rather than deal him now.
Sather did not like that answer and decided to leak the story, put additional pressure on him to make the deal now by creating a huge rift in the locker room and between MSL and fans.

That "Could" be how it went down. Although somewhat morally imperfect beahvior, "All's fair in love and war" (and hockey trades).

 

[Fitzy]

Ehrhoff isn't a good fit for us, but given the premium on defenseman, he will be moved for a nice sum like Bouwmeester and Campbell who are both highly paid as well.

One thing it could do is lower a potential Girardi return.

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

Ehrhoff has a super long contract but he is a legit top-pairing puck mover.

Interesting here is that Buffalo is apparently willing to accept the cap recapture risk.

 

[Jackpot]

It seems crystal clear to me that there are three moves that should be made: trade one of your RHDs, one of your RWs (3rd most important, if not a 3rd liner per se) and one of your four 4th liners.

-Trade Cally for 2 young players/prospects/picks + a conditional.
-Re-sign Girardi.
-Trade Stralman for 1 young player/prospect/pick + a conditional.
-Trade Boyle for a pick.
-Re-sign Brassard, Pouliot, D. Moore, Carcillo (yes, I said it), J. Moore.
-Pursue St. Louis in the offseason or, preferably, wait for him to become an UFA and, if we need him, sign him in summer '15.

Or:

-Trade Cally for 2 young players/prospects/picks + a conditional.
-Trade Girardi for 2-3 young players/prospects/picks + a conditional.
-Re-sign Stralman.
-Trade Boyle for a pick.
-Re-sign Brassard, Pouliot, D. Moore, Carcillo, J. Moore.
-Pursue St. Louis in the offseason or, preferably, wait for him to become an UFA and, if we need him, sign him in summer '15.

Those are my scenarios - obviously they're basically the same, hinging on whether or not they can come to terms with Girardi and/or what other teams are willing to pony up to get him. The only other variation I can see is if someone is willing to pay significantly more for Dorsett/D. Moore/Carcillo, then you move that guy instead of Boyle (although I don't see it happening).

Not bad scenarios, but what makes you think Stevie Y follows in Howson's footsteps and holds MSL hostage? One would think he'd get what he can from the Rangers for him and move on. I know we're not privy to what's going on behind the scenes within the organization, or locker room, but I have a feeling it's more than just a "little" issue..

Tampa gave up 3 pp goals last night vs Nashville, I know a guy who could really help them on the PK. Throw in some Nutella to sweeten the deal and I think something happens prior to the deadline...

 

[NYR Viper]

Interesting here is that Buffalo is apparently willing to accept the cap recapture risk.

He is only 31, signed until 2021. I would say there is a good chance he plays out that contract.

 

[NYR Viper]

Ehrhoff isn't a good fit for us, but given the premium on defenseman, he will be moved for a nice sum like Bouwmeester and Campbell who are both highly paid as well.

One thing it could do is lower a potential Girardi return.

Why do you say that? He played well under AV in Vancouver

 

[Fitzy]

Why do you say that? He played well under AV in Vancouver

We're going to have a lot of money wrapped up in our blueline with Girardi under contract. I've been outspoken about wanting to get Allen or McIlrath a shot in Stralman/Girardi's vacated spot, that means a high priced defenseman like Erhoff only fits if we trade Marc Staal, and I like Staal.

 

[NYR Viper]

We're going to have a lot of money wrapped up in our blueline with Girardi under contract. I've been outspoken about wanting to get Allen or McIlrath a shot in Stralman/Girardi's vacated spot, that means a high priced defenseman like Erhoff only fits if we trade Marc Staal, and I like Staal.

Options if they don't feel they can re-sign some of them, that's all

 

[LORDE]

What are the Rangers trading for St. Louis? Bob McKenzie was on TSN radio from Toronto yesterday. He said Tampa has set a price point which the Rangers aren't meeting and have no plans of meeting. Move on.

Seems more like wait and see if:

A) Yzerman comes down
B) Sather offers more
C) both A & B
D) Marty keeps scoring goals for TBL

Lol

 

[Jackpot]

We're going to have a lot of money wrapped up in our blueline with Girardi under contract. I've been outspoken about wanting to get Allen or McIlrath a shot in Stralman/Girardi's vacated spot, that means a high priced defenseman like Erhoff only fits if we trade Marc Staal, and I like Staal.

Hmmm, Girardi to Buffalo for Erhoff , Cally signs as a FA there in July..Together again as speculated..

 

[Hunter Gathers]

People cried when Dubinsky and Anismov left that the PK would take a huge hit. It didn't. Boyle is a good, useful player, but he is not worth holding onto him as a pure rental for the rest of the season.

Would you be okay paying a 2nd rounder for Boyle's services for the rest of the season? Same principle.

It didn't take a hit because Boyle and Callahan stayed.

 

[Dagoon44]

couple non Rangers rumors.
Blues actively shopping for a Goalie
Tomas or Miller most likely headed to Blues.

Blues looking for Cally now? could be Oshie been praising him since Olympics in St. Louie.

Carolina looking to move a Goalie..

Islanders looking into making a slash trying to add subtract at deadline.. 100% will be in on Callahan if he reaches FA status.

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

Not bad scenarios, but what makes you think Stevie Y follows in Howson's footsteps and holds MSL hostage? One would think he'd get what he can from the Rangers for him and move on. I know we're not privy to what's going on behind the scenes within the organization, or locker room, but I have a feeling it's more than just a "little" issue..

Tampa gave up 3 pp goals last night vs Nashville, I know a guy who could really help them on the PK. Throw in some Nutella to sweeten the deal and I think something happens prior to the deadline...

You're operating under the assumption that I think we should be after St. Louis.

I don't.

I think MSL is a complete and utter luxury for a team that already has Nash and MZA at the NHL level plus Miller, Fast and Kristo all ready to go in HFD (as demonstrated by Miller's play last night).

I don't want MSL unless we can get him for scraps. Our valuable trade chips should be used to shore up other organizational positions of weakness.