Rumor: Trade Rumor/Speculation Thread XXV: It's a Marty Party [*Mod Warning post #132]

[Ail]

couple non Rangers rumors.
Blues actively shopping for a Goalie
Tomas or Miller most likely headed to Blues.

Blues looking for Cally now? could be Oshie been praising him since Olympics in St. Louie.

Carolina looking to move a Goalie..

Islanders looking into making a slash trying to add subtract at deadline.. 100% will be in on Callahan if he reaches FA status.

Are these real or are you being hacked again? I felt betrayed yesterday.

 

[Fitzy]

RYan Miller on St. Louis... that would suffice to make a formidable monster.

 

[RGY]

Up the offer for MSL and see if Yzerman will bite.

 

[RGY]

RYan Miller on St. Louis... that would suffice to make a formidable monster.

I don't know. I haven't been impressed with Miller the last couple years...or rather i think his game has slipped a little.

 

[GregSirico]

RYan Miller on St. Louis... that would suffice to make a formidable monster.

Would make them a heavy favorite.

 

[shoves]

That's an oversimplification for sure. Boyle is more than good enough of a skater to put pressure on (considering he does it every game). He's one of the best PKers in the league.

I like Dorsett. But I'd much rather have Boyle out there late in the game.

I totally agree. Why does people want to move Boyle? He's a really good role player for us, magnificent on the PK and a core guy. If we could resign him to something close to $1,5mill AAV thats a no brainer to me. We have a good PK and 4th line with Susan, dont fix it if its not broken.

 

[GregSirico]

I don't know. I haven't been impressed with Miller the last couple years...or rather i think his game has slipped a little.

It hasn't ... his team is just .... BEYOND AWFUL.

 

[RGY]

It hasn't ... his team is just .... BEYOND AWFUL.

That was my other thinking. I guess we will see.

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

You're operating under the assumption that I think we should be after St. Louis.

I don't.

I think MSL is a complete and utter luxury for a team that already has Nash and MZA at the NHL level plus Miller, Fast and Kristo all ready to go in HFD (as demonstrated by Miller's play last night).

I don't want MSL unless we can get him for scraps. Our valuable trade chips should be used to shore up other organizational positions of weakness.

Outside of Kreider and Stepan, I'm not sure I see who exactly would be considered "our valuable trade chips." And if you deal either of those two, you create holes while potentially filling the existing holes.

 

[Punxrocknyc19*]

couple non Rangers rumors.
Blues actively shopping for a Goalie
Tomas or Miller most likely headed to Blues.

Blues looking for Cally now? could be Oshie been praising him since Olympics in St. Louie.

Carolina looking to move a Goalie..

Islanders looking into making a slash trying to add subtract at deadline.. 100% will be in on Callahan if he reaches FA status.

thanks for the info, always respected your information. anything with the Rangers?? any outside of the box rumors, any small trade rumors that could benefit, kinda when they got Prust from Flames, could they be looking for more grit and size, someone like Kyle Clifford??

 

[RGY]

Outside of Kreider and Stepan, I'm not sure I see who exactly would be considered "our valuable trade chips." And if you deal either of those two, you create holes while potentially filling the existing holes.

Depends on what you are trading for? I'd say Miller is. Kid is on the cusp of being an NHL regular. Then McIlrath and Kristo,

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

Outside of Kreider and Stepan, I'm not sure I see who exactly would be considered "our valuable trade chips." And if you deal either of those two, you create holes while potentially filling the existing holes.

I'm referring to Cally and Girardi. I would have thought that was clear given the main topics of conversation over the last 20 or so trade rumor threads.

 

[Made Dan]

If we can't get MSL at the deadline, then I really wouldn't offer up much for him in the summer. Having him for 2 playoff runs opposed to one would be a huge sticking point for me. I'm not suggesting that we overpay, but if we can't get him now than in the summer all I would offer up would be a package similar to Fast+2nd. At this deadline, I would give that plus the assets we get for Callahan.

 

[Punxrocknyc19*]

any chances guys like Asham or Powe get traded?? they are not really needed in the Rangers organization anymore....

 

[NYR Viper]

I totally agree. Why does people want to move Boyle? He's a really good role player for us, magnificent on the PK and a core guy. If we could resign him to something close to $1,5mill AAV thats a no brainer to me. We have a good PK and 4th line with Susan, dont fix it if its not broken.

He won't re-sign for 1.5 million. Look around the league. Players like him make well over 2.

 

[Hi ImHFNYR]

Umm, what? You say it didn't, and then in the very next sentence you say it did. I never said that the Nash trade alone torpedoed the season. I simply said it disrupted the team. Not exactly sure how you agreeing with me disproves that.

No I don't. I'm re-reading it and I'm not sure where you're seeing that but if you point it out and I was in error in my phrasing then I will clarify

You say it disrupted the team. I say there is no way for you to prove it was a negative disruption/change. Not sure what you think I said but it seems to be off a little bit. Trading MSL for Andrew Yogan would cause a disruption/change too albeit a positive one. I understand if people feel that the Nash trade was a negative disruption/change. But I disagree with people who present that opinion as fact because there were just so many variables. I also think if we had Dubs and Artie last year the team may have been even worse.

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

Crazy, outside the box thinking:

What if the Rangers wound up dealing MZA for St. Louis?

As I've mentioned, there are two main reasons I'm against trading for MSL: First and foremost is that I don't think this team is on the cusp of a championship and shouldn't be acquiring older players until it's got a full complement of core players (currently missing a 1C and an offensive defenseman). But the second is that, as I mentioned on the previous page, he's a complete luxury to this team given that he plays the same position as arguably our two best offensive players. If you deal MZA for him, that would take care of the redundancy problem...

To be clear, I'm not in favor - I'd much rather have the younger guy, who's an RFA with a bright future ahead of him - but something centered around MZA is something I could see Stevie Y finding much more acceptable than Callahan and it's something I could also see Slats doing...

 

[PlamsUnlimited]

That was my other thinking. I guess we will see.

Miller is pretty much the only reason that the Sabres have any win right now. He has off nights like any other goalie. But he keeps that tank team in it. Not saying I'm an expert but trust me, in all the home games this year I've been to, which is a majority of them, he is the reason they have points.

 

[bernmeister]

Crazy, outside the box thinking:

What if the Rangers wound up dealing MZA for St. Louis?

As I've mentioned, there are two main reasons I'm against trading for MSL: First and foremost is that I don't think this team is on the cusp of a championship and shouldn't be acquiring older players until it's got a full complement of core players (currently missing a 1C and an offensive defenseman). But the second is that, as I mentioned on the previous page, he's a complete luxury to this team given that he plays the same position as arguably our two best offensive players. If you deal MZA for him, that would take care of the redundancy problem...

To be clear, I'm not in favor - I'd much rather have the younger guy, who's an RFA with a bright future ahead of him - but something centered around MZA is something I could see Stevie Y finding much more acceptable than Callahan and it's something I could also see Slats doing...

This for thinking outside the box.

You have not stood up to the herd long enough or intently enough for them to yet classify what you said as "crazy... thinking".

 

[Hi ImHFNYR]

For MSL who is not garbage rental Ryan Clowe I have no problem with Callahan and then the picks we offered up for Clowe. The problem is that after just trading all that for Clowe it's very difficul to swallow doing it again. We'd still have EDM's 2nd and our first so it isn't exactly "mortgaging the future" plus MSL is signed until next year. If he was Clowe he'd be leaving this off season. I'd have no problem if they traded a questionable prospect like Kristo too.

Would you do Cally + 2nd + 3rd + Kristo?

I wouldn't give up JT, McI, Fast or Lindberg though. These are prospects I feel are definitely going to contribute now and for years to come.

 

[RGY]

No I don't. I'm re-reading it and I'm not sure where you're seeing that but if you point it out and I was in error in my phrasing then I will clarify

You say it disrupted the team. I say there is no way for you to prove it was a negative disruption/change. Not sure what you think I said but it seems to be off a little bit. Trading MSL for Andrew Yogan would cause a disruption/change too albeit a positive one. I understand if people feel that the Nash trade was a negative disruption/change. But I disagree with people who present that opinion as fact because there were just so many variables. I also think if we had Dubs and Artie last year the team may have been even worse.

I think the Rangers end up coughing up Miller for MSL. Just my opinion so no one fly off the handle because i know some love JT here. I like him too, but he is NHL ready. Depending on what TBL wants it could be Callahan/Miller/2nd or a 3-team kinda deal and its say Stewart/Miller/STL pick

Miller is pretty much the only reason that the Sabres have any win right now. He has off nights like any other goalie. But he keeps that tank team in it. Not saying I'm an expert but trust me, in all the home games this year I've been to, which is a majority of them, he is the reason they have points.

Thank you for the insight.

 

[aufheben]

Duguay and Maloney were talking last night in the post-game how the Nash trade affected the team..

 

[Levitate]

couple non Rangers rumors.
Blues actively shopping for a Goalie
Tomas or Miller most likely headed to Blues.

Blues looking for Cally now? could be Oshie been praising him since Olympics in St. Louie.

Carolina looking to move a Goalie..

Islanders looking into making a slash trying to add subtract at deadline.. 100% will be in on Callahan if he reaches FA status.

Oshie for Callahan would be amazing but I see no reason why the Blues would do that...Oshie would step in as the Rangers top scorer.

He's not as good defensively as Callahan and I believe he's also had some injury troubles and inconsistency, but he's much better offensively and signed to a good contract for the next three years, to the point where St Louis would be nuts to make that swap. Maybe if the Rangers threw in a prospect or pick as well but then again, trading Oshie for Callahan wouldn't seem to make their current team better unless they believe that "leadership and intangibles" are really that important

 

[HFsNumber1Heel]

I don't get all the Halak hate. That guy is a good goalie and brought the Canadians to the ECF a few years ago.

At this point the only trade I make is Cally if he's not signed and Dorsett for more picks.

Girardi will be signed, I'm confident.

 

[Trxjw]

No I don't. I'm re-reading it and I'm not sure where you're seeing that but if you point it out and I was in error in my phrasing then I will clarify

You say it disrupted the team. I say there is no way for you to prove it was a negative disruption. Not sure what you think I said but it seems to be off a little bit. Trading MSL for Andrew Yogan would cause a disruption too albeit a positive one. I understand if people feel that the Nash trade was a negative disruption. But I disagree with people who present that opinion as fact.

My point was that the trade disrupted the room. You responded with:

No it didn't. It proved that trading core guyswhile also letting 3 walk in free agency while two more top 3 guys have the worst years of their careers because they are either injured and/or out of shape can really disrupt a team. Not to get into it again but everytime someone mentions this again I have to comment because it's so dismissive of how many variables there were. It's like if I'm testing whether food tastes better with mustard. I apply jam, mustard, arsenic, rotted dog sh** and soda all at the same exact time. Then I come to the conclusion that the mustard disrupted the flavor while dismissing the presence of all the other things that were wrong in the mix which likely played a much bigger role

You acknowledged in the very first line of that post that the trade WAS a variable that "can disrupt a team". If your argument is that I can't prove it disrupted the team because a lot of other things happened, then it's completely pointless to even discuss it. You can't disprove the notion that it disrupted the team by saying there were other things involved. Particularly when the point at hand was the catalyst for several of the other variables you brought up.

I'm just going to agree to disagree here. It's pointless.