Rumor: Trade Rumor/Speculation Thread XXV: It's a Marty Party [*Mod Warning post #132]

[silverfish]

Really hoping this gets settled today. If it drags out to the deadline, I'm afraid of what Sather might do in a pinch...

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

Really hoping this gets settled today. If it drags out to the deadline, I'm afraid of what Sather might do in a pinch...

Not sure what you mean. Isn't rushing to get it done putting him in a self-imposed pinch?

The contract statuses of Callahan and Girardi are a problem, but the Rangers are in a position of strength in some regard -- especially when it comes to the St. Louis situation.

 

[silverfish]

Not sure what you mean. Isn't rushing to get it done putting him in a self-imposed pinch?

The contract statuses of Callahan and Girardi are a problem, but the Rangers are in a position of strength in some regard -- especially when it comes to the St. Louis situation.

In the sense that, if the trade deadline starts creeping up, and all parties are still on the Rangers, and still at an impasse in contract negotiations, I'm afraid Sather might hit the panic button on an unnecessary move.

I just want this done as soon as it can get done.

 

[RGY]

Agreed with getting this settled today. I believe Cally will be traded first before Girardi signing is announced.

 

[RGY]

Espo sounds like a babbling incoherent drunk. Have some professionalism.

 

[Blueshirt Special]

Espo sounds like a babbling incoherent drunk. Have some professionalism.

Espo has been painful to listen to for some time now. I love the guy, but when he comes on in the afternoon on the NHL channel on XM, I can't listen for more than 2 minutes. "In The Slot" ?? I think is the name of the show?

It's terribad.

he is.....irrational

 

[mas0764]

The 11-12 team with similarly underperforming Richards and Gaborik wouldn't have been any better in 12-13.

Correct. Dubinksy, Anisimov, Prust and John friggin Mitchell were not the reasons this team suffered last year. Blaming our struggles on them being gone is foolish, IMO.

Especially when the the team being the #1 seed was the outlier. Otherwise we're right back at that bottom 4 seed that we are usually at.

This team is just not on par with Pittsburgh and Boston, and even against Montreal, NJ, TB, etc, a 7 game series would be a toss up.

Nash hasn't been everything we've hoped but the idea was right. And we are actually still better off with him and Poliout, MZA, Moore and Dorsett than Anisimov, Dubi, Prust and Mitchell.

 

[Ail]

Espo shoots and scores!

http://deadspin.com/phil-esposito-on-callahan-st-louis-trade-rumor-what-1532901976

Shoots and scores? Are you kidding me?

This video was a disgrace. Espo is a MORON. He didn't even bother looking in to any of the facts and then started doing what he always does, get loud mouthed and indignant. What an ignorant old buffoon.

I hope this gets major exposure and everyone laughs in his dumb face.

 

[Barnaby]

Really hoping this gets settled today. If it drags out to the deadline, I'm afraid of what Sather might do in a pinch...

History has shown that most of these deals come right down to the deadline. I think you might just be a little impatient ;-)

If you want to criticize the Rangers, then you also have to criticize the Islanders, Sabres, Flames, Panthers etc…

The strategy seems to be that teams up their offers for the players they want as the deadline approaches. I don't think that the situation is Sather doing things "in a pinch," I'm sure he's having conversations all along. I really don't doubt Sathers ability to get good value here. He's had a pretty good track record of trading here. My doubt lies in his choices made via the UFA market.

 

[Ail]

Brooks is really getting a raw deal with this particular situation. He was actually the first to report a Callahan for St. Louis swap was NOT going to go down that way.

All about reputation in this case....and Espo being a cranky old man.

Yup. Sounds like he has an axe to grind because Brooks always take shots at his 'legacy' as a GM.

 

[OverTheCap]

Espo sounds like a blathering, senile old man. He barely makes sense. Frighteningly enough, he is only two years older than Sather.

 

[RGY]

Kinda hope the MSL deal goes down just to see the reaction to Espo

 

[silverfish]

History has shown that most of these deals come right down to the deadline. I think you might just be a little impatient ;-)

If you want to criticize the Rangers, then you also have to criticize the Islanders, Sabres, Flames, Panthers etc…

The strategy seems to be that teams up their offers for the players they want as the deadline approaches. I don't think that the situation is Sather doing things "in a pinch," I'm sure he's having conversations all along. I really don't doubt Sathers ability to get good value here. He's had a pretty good track record of trading here. My doubt lies in his choices made via the UFA market.

Oh, for sure

Not criticizing. Just voicing an opinion. If MSL is coming to town, let's get him here as quick as possible.

 

[Ail]

Also if you want a good read from someone in Tampa regarding MSL:

Damian Cristodero ‏@LightningTimes 1h
Also in today's Times: Our Tom Jones asks what's up w/talk of trading St. Louis, Revis, Price? http://www.tampabay.com/sports/hockey/lightning/trade-st-louis-revis-price-what-are-we-thinking/2167705 … via @TB_Times

 

[SnowblindNYR]

I can't believe a loose cannon like Espo was ever a GM of a team.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

I can't believe a loose cannon like Espo was ever a GM of a team.

These boards would have EXPLODED if they were around during the "Trader Phil" days

 

[NYR Viper]

If Boyle isn't going to be re-signed, deal him. He's a 4th liner. Great, he is liked by his teammates. The guy is playing out of position and has been for most of the year. Moore has supplanted him as the 4c because he can actually handle the puck. Boyle is a wing who is good at face-offs and he will get paid like a 3/4c which means 2-3 million on the open market.

Carcillo-Moore-Dorsett.

Dorsett is a good PKer. He was PKing before he was hurt. The drop-off from Boyle to Dorsett over the 5-8 minutes they will get is not worth missing out on a 2nd rounder from some playoff team.

This is a minor tweak. Many are okay with dealing Callahan and Girardi if they ask for too much but NOT Boyle? Huh?

 

[SKSK]

What would you guys think about trying to get Dubinsky back if we were to trade Callahan? I feel he has a lot of the intangibles that Callahan has but at a lower price cap hit.

edit: If the price of MSL became to steep.

 

[Dr. Ogrodnick]

What would you guys think about trying to get Dubinsky back if we were to trade Callahan? I feel he has a lot of the intangibles that Callahan has but at a lower price cap hit.

I'd think why not just slot Miller or Fast in at 3rd line RW and save even more cap room and assets.

 

[NYR Viper]

What would you guys think about trying to get Dubinsky back if we were to trade Callahan? I feel he has a lot of the intangibles that Callahan has but at a lower price cap hit.

edit: If the price of MSL became to steep.

I would pass, not because he is a bad player, but because he is so close to UFA.

 

[silverfish]

If Boyle isn't going to be re-signed, deal him. He's a 4th liner. Great, he is liked by his teammates. The guy is playing out of position and has been for most of the year. Moore has supplanted him as the 4c because he can actually handle the puck. Boyle is a wing who is good at face-offs and he will get paid like a 3/4c which means 2-3 million on the open market.

Carcillo-Moore-Dorsett.

Dorsett is a good PKer. He was PKing before he was hurt. The drop-off from Boyle to Dorsett over the 5-8 minutes they will get is not worth missing out on a 2nd rounder from some playoff team.

This is a minor tweak. Many are okay with dealing Callahan and Girardi if they ask for too much but NOT Boyle? Huh?

Agree somewhat. Might hurt our depth in the short-run, though.

Can Carcillo be an every game guy in the playoffs?

I don't mind keeping Boyle around and letting him walk in July. He always plays big in the playoffs. This of course unless we get something outrageous offered for him like the Sabres got with Gaustad a few years back

Just to put that trade in perspective (mostly for myself since it's a Friday and a boring morning at work). Since that trade, Gaustad has played 97 games with the Predators. 10 goals, 13 assists.

That pick ended up in the hands of Calgary. Buffalo traded up to 14th overall (the first they got from the Preds, and their second rounder) and selected Girgensons. Calgary selected Jankowski. Maata went the pick after that. Malcolm Subban 3 picks after Jankowski.

 

[NYR Sting]

Espo sounds like a blathering, senile old man. He barely makes sense. Frighteningly enough, he is only two years older than Sather.

And we already know Sather is a total buffoon who rarely makes any sense himself.

I can't believe a loose cannon like Espo was ever a GM of a team.

Can you believe that Sather has been the GM of one team or another for an uninterrupted 22 years, during which the best he's done is reach 1 conference final?

 

[Mikos87]

How does Tyler Myers do in a man defense?

Part of me thinks he's flaked out after he got his money... Pegula gave him a retirement contract that old UFAs get...

another part of me understands that Tyler Myers plays nice guy hockey...

6'8" and can really skate... would cover a ton of ice in a man system... he doesn't get mad, but when he does he is a monster...

emotionally disengaged player... could be a personality thing... seeing what AV's getting out of Pouliot and Brass.. does the same happen for Myers?

Would want Buf to retain salary in any deal.

 

[Ail]

And we already know Sather is a total buffoon who rarely makes any sense himself.



Can you believe that Sather has been the GM of one team or another for an uninterrupted 22 years, during which the best he's done is reach 1 conference final?

While that's a good point, and for as much as people complain about how quiet Sather is, maybe that's for the best.

 

[Hunter Gathers]

Too much Dorsett hate here. Boyle does one thing better than Dorsett; faceless. And btw, yes AV had BB taking key draws at the end of the game and he lost 2 of 3. Dorsett has better hands, is a better skater, he's tougher, better on the pk (I know that's blasphemy but I think it's true) and he can change momentum with his physicality (real physicality, not Boyle style kiddie punches). Trade Boyle and you have a gritty, quick and offensively capable 4th. And the pk will be just fine. Hopefully those around the league think as highly of BB as you do so we can a good pick.

LOL WHAT?

Dorsett better on the PK than Boyle? Your Boyle hate is hysterical. You have to be kidding with this stuff. Boyle is exponentially better defensively than Dorsett is.