Speculation: Trade Rumor/Speculation Thread XXII: St Louis vs St Louis

[BarbaraAlphanse]

Are you kidding me? When did it become cool to hate on McKenzie? The guy is as legit as it gets, seems like people are just mad the trade isn't happening so they take out their anger on Mac because he lives in the real world

Mac... definitely my most respected TSN journalist. He outright admitted his sources weren't talking.

But the point I was trying to make that he isn't sticking his neck on the line to the same extent Boomer is, holds relevant. He's not.

Dreger on the other hand isn't in the same league, yet. He has a ways to go before he becomes what Mac is. I think people see the TSN letters next to his twitter handle and associate him the same way as McKenzie.

 

[Thirty One]

no disrespect to Mac, but what was the last story he broke?

I don't know. That's like asking me to describe the last breath I took.

But on the TSN trade deadline and free agency shows he's normally the first one to break news. As I said, him breaking a story isn't really a notable event.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

I think your idealistic view of journalism has drastically changed in recent years.

Far more reporters gamble on breaking stories now.

I'm not arguing the ethics of it.

Yet, not one dedicated hockey journalist has gambled on this one in the way that Boomer has. It speaks volumes.

I think its beyond hilarious that people think Boomer's career will be effected in any way if/when this 1 for 1 swap winds up being untrue.

 

[Thirty One]

my god, atleast 1/2 this thread is about the source

The source and the rumor are inseparable.

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

Look at the end of the day, did Boomer potentially oversell it? Sure.

Think he wanted to be the guy to break it? Sure.

But I definitely believe he heard a legit rumor that MSL wanted out and would only waive for NYR. Same scenario as Nash. And we saw how that dragged out but played out.

Like any rumor, it could fall apart at any time. And Boomer likely oversold what he heard. But the base level of the rumor was pretty spot on. MSL wanting out and being a potential target has now been confirmed by multiple people...something that would have been met with HUGE skepticism this time last week.

 

[Todd Harvey]

Just so Im clear, you think this thing winds up a 1 for 1 swap.

Callahan for St. Louis?

I think you're mental, but we shall see.

No, I think it's Cally + conditional for MSL;
wouldnt surprise me to see lower level prospect swap involved too.
But not 1-for-1.

But I am mental LOL.

 

[Carlos Ranger]

Since Brooks 1st 'published" story just a few hours ago, it's now been picked up by national hockey media and the talks & details & deal have already advanced beyond 1-for-1.

Yzerman can't look like he's just giving MSL away.
So they let it slip, a bit at a time.

Good news is, there isnt much farther to go, and this baby's gonna land right where Boomer said it would.

Yeap, everything seems to be going to plan that would indicate they're slowly rolling out a big trade. it started with callahan, but of course it's going to be bigger than that. I still think they're preparing us for Nash being dealt.

 

[Vidic15*]

McKenzie saying it is possible the story that MSL asked for a trade is recycled? How can it be recycled when it never came out the first time, officially? Maybe McKenzie is protecting Canadian Hockey Royalty, Steve Yzerman.

 

[Tawnos]

The source and the rumor are inseparable.

They're really not.

 

[Pugs35]

I haven't read this entire ridiculous saga, but I haven't seen anyone raise any concerns about getting a guy who essentially is quitting on his team because he didn't make an All-Star team. For a forum that still hates Dubinsky for holding out for a few weeks, it's odd that no one has raised that issue.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

Yeap, everything seems to be going to plan that would indicate they're slowly rolling out a big trade. it started with callahan, but of course it's going to be bigger than that. I still think they're preparing us for Nash being dealt.

Do people really think like this?

 

[Clown Fiesta]

They've said pretty clearly that the 1-for-1 story is BS and it won't happen unless the Rangers give up more assets.

So? Anyone with a brain realizes the Rangers probably need to add, it's semantics. Boomer said he heard it was 1 for 1 but that a conditional pick may be added. If that's what people are damning him for it's silly.

 

[BarbaraAlphanse]

Sports writers normally have good peer-to-peer relationships. They travel together, they eat together and they are usually united in situations like these.

The majority care more about accuracy than they do breaking a story. These guys know they aren't winning Pulitzers. For every Garrioch or Eklund there are hundreds upon hundreds of dedicated journalists with real sources who wont announce rumor with detailed specifics the way Boomer did.

Boomer should have left it at "hearing Callahan trade talk again. Likely to happen and Rangers still talking to several teams."

Once he heard from his sour e about MSL, he should have called his Tampa sources to confirm.

The problem is that Boomer doesnt have Tampa sources. If he did, he would have reported what all the beat writers are saying.

I'm not naming publications and entities that are OK with the tactic I described. But it is definitely common place and definitely a lot more frequent now that twitter is around and the inherent need to be the "first" to break a story.

Readers need instant gratification. We're connected to our phones and computers 24 hours a day. The first person to break a story, the first publication to have the write up, will get the most readers and the most circulation.

Again, I'm not inferring TSN is using these tactics. They could be as reputable as they come. But it is definitely a problem from a journalism standpoint. Inaccuracy is becoming more common. Speculation and opinion more prevalent than fact.

 

[Todd Harvey]

I still think they're preparing us for Nash being dealt.

The Rangers are not trading Rick Nash.

I'll amend this slightly. Not this year.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

Look at the end of the day, did Boomer potentially oversell it? Sure.

Think he wanted to be the guy to break it? Sure.

But I definitely believe he heard a legit rumor that MSL wanted out and would only waive for NYR. Same scenario as Nash. And we saw how that dragged out but played out.

Like any rumor, it could fall apart at any time. And Boomer likely oversold what he heard. But the base level of the rumor was pretty spot on. MSL wanting out and being a potential target has now been confirmed by multiple people...something that would have been met with HUGE skepticism this time last week.

Sure. Agreed.

But I think Boomer needlessly took it to another level. A 1 for 1 swap potentially involving a pick to be imminent.

 

[Thirty One]

They're really not.

Maybe a poor word choice, but the quality of the source is very relevant to the quality of the rumor.

 

[NernieBichols]

I don't know. That's like asking me to describe the last breath I took.

But on the TSN trade deadline and free agency shows he's normally the first one to break news. As I said, him breaking a story isn't really a notable event.

what are you talking about man? how many trades and moves even go down. And this guy on the beat giving us early scoops left and right. He's a hockey insider who works for a big media outlet and they pump him up as some prophet now. I remember back in the day with spectors rumor site. Mackenzie was throwing rumors out there just like garroich from ottawa does now.

Mackenzie being some kind of sage is one of these tricks digital media is playing with people. And now thats he's been on twitter for a couple years and you guys are used to seeing his tweets all the time, you equate with truth.

Mackenzie, dreger? I look at these guys as mouthpieces for the hockey buzz talk culture out there.

Boomer going out on a ledge like that, I put a ton more stock on something like what Boomer did the other night. Then these guys playing this cliche cards they are playing.

The trade is Callahan for MSL with conditional on both sides. Those have not been agreed on. We don't know if the players have or will agree to it. The idea that this aint really happening is BS. Could it fall apart, oh yeah, very quickly, maybe even likely. The one part Mackenzie was most astute on was the fact that this has a lot of moving parts and bc of that can easily fall through.

 

[BarbaraAlphanse]

So? Anyone with a brain realizes the Rangers probably need to add, it's semantics. Boomer said he heard it was 1 for 1 but that a conditional pick may be added. If that's what people are damning him for it's silly.

I think MSL for Cally straight up is lopsided for us.
I think MSL for Cally with an extension is lopsided for them.

Maybe the conditional provision works both ways.

No extension yields a 3rd or 2nd pick coming from us to them.
An extension yields a 3rd or 2nd pick coming from them to us.

Make sense?

 

[Thirty One]

So? Anyone with a brain realizes the Rangers probably need to add, it's semantics. Boomer said he heard it was 1 for 1 but that a conditional pick may be added. If that's what people are damning him for it's silly.

If he thinks the Rangers would maybe get a conditional pick along with St. Louis, which is what he said, his ability to process information should be called into question, IMO.

 

[Clown Fiesta]

Boomer said it was a done deal and he thought he would be a Ranger by Thursday.

He specifically said 1-for-1 swap with a cond'l pick going to NY.

Like I said....Boomer was probably told by his insider that it was done, and Boomer hedged his bets that he was right. He wanted to break a story rather than do what real journalists do (which is verify validity via other sources close to the story)

The problem is that Boomer doesnt have multiple sources. He has his main guy and Al Dukes.

No. He didn't. Go look at Nils post on the first page of the previous thread, all he said was that he heard a conditional pick might be added. Which to me means he heard it was 1 for 1 but the Rangers may need to add a sweetener. Which makes logical sense if you think about it.

 

[BarbaraAlphanse]

Sure. Agreed.

But I think Boomer needlessly took it to another level. A 1 for 1 swap potentially involving a pick to be imminent.

I don't think he said imminent.

From what I remember, the tweet he said was that it was all but agreed upon barring the player's change of heart to take less $$$.

 

[NYGBleedBlueNYR]

Maybe a poor word choice, but the quality of the source is very relevant to the quality of the rumor.

If Eklund posts aren't to be debated neither should Boomers IMO.

I don't care either way it's just derailing the thread.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

This is nuts that people are still going on about this, just wait and see if it happens or not.

 

[Thirty One]

what are you talking about man? how many trades and moves even go down. And this guy on the beat giving us early scoops left and right. He's a hockey insider who works for a big media outlet and they pump him up as some prophet now. I remember back in the day with spectors rumor site. Mackenzie was throwing rumors out there just like garroich from ottawa does now.

Mackenzie being some kind of sage is one of these tricks digital media is playing with people. And now thats he's been on twitter for a couple years and you guys are used to seeing his tweets all the time, you equate with truth.

Mackenzie, dreger? I look at these guys as mouthpieces for the hockey buzz talk culture out there.

Boomer going out on a ledge like that, I put a ton more stock on something like what Boomer did the other night. Then these guys playing this cliche cards they are playing.

The trade is Callahan for MSL with conditional on both sides. Those have not been agreed on. We don't know if the players have or will agree to it. The idea that this aint really happening is BS.

I don't consider McKenzie a prophet.

He is however, a well-connected hockey insider who won't overhype a story.

 

[Punxrocknyc19*]

EJ Hradek thinks Callahan might stay with Rangers.. the hosts was just playing this trade game with potential available players. EJ Hradek thinks Vanek would look good on the Habs and Ryan Miller on the Blues.. just watched it on NHL Live on NHL Network..