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Bleed Ranger Blue said:
Lets hope you're alive to see it. Dissecting each word of this rumor as if it were the Zapruder film must be pretty tiring.

Especially when the rumored 1 for 1 swap spits in the face of any sort of logic from the Tampa Bay side.
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I think Ill make it! Unless you know something I dont!! LOL;
Ive been having a good time with this;
And I havent argued it seems to be void of logic at first blush.

But another way is to simply say two excellent players, both messed up situations, time for a change for all sides - and they'll figure the details later. Bit more logical that way I suppose.
 
Being 90% sure something is going to happen is exactly that. Not Boomer's fault people read it as a definite thing.

Although, I was arguing against it being St Louis a couple of threads back specifically because it seemed really far fetched as a 1-for-1. It'll be interesting to see what happens. I can't wait for Thursday and I can't wait for the deadline... just to have something of substance to talk about.
 
BrooklynRangersFan said:
So, in other words, to interpret your spin to plain language:

He could violate his contractual obligation, leave $8MM on the table, give up the game he loves, end the only career he knows prematurely and, in so doing, let down his teammates and the fanbase you say he loves so well... in a hissy fit.

I'm not buying it.
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Crazier things have happened.
 
Duthie: Buzz around MSL and the snub, is the relationship broken enough to part?

BobMac: The two teams talked. The offer was made by the Rangers. It's not going to happen on a 1 for 1. They'll want a lot more than that. They wouldn't pay Callahan in Tampa. The Rangers won't pay more to get MSL. Did he request a trade? "The feeling in the NHL community" is MSL right after the snub did ask for a trade, but they are not sure if that is still true. Feels the NYR story is recycled. No one is commenting on it however. IF he did ask for a trade and only to NYR, it won't happen now, only more likely in the off season. Tampa will keep him.

Barbara Underhill said:
Terrible analysis. He said two rumors were floating around which they aren't discussing, one being MSL asking for a trade, the other being MSL saying he will only go to the Rangers. He didn't say it wouldn't happen and was more likely in the offseason. He said that 1 for 1 it won't happen, and that if it doesn't happen then it may carry over to the offseason.

Jeez Ail are your ears broken?
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Ail said:
Duthie: Buzz around MSL and the snub, is the relationship broken enough to part?

BobMac: The two teams talked. The offer was made by the Rangers. It's not going to happen on a 1 for 1. They'll want a lot more than that. They wouldn't pay Callahan in Tampa. The rangers won't pay more to get MSL. Did he request a trade? "The feeling in the NHL community" is MSL right after the snub did ask for a trade, but they are not sure if that is still true. Feels the NYR story is recycled. No one is commenting on it however. IF he did ask for a trade and only to NYR, it won't happen now, only more likely in the off season. Tampa will keep him.
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Save the post.
 
Can I get a summary of where this rumor is at right now, without reading 40 pages?

:sarcasm:

edit: oh.... never mind, see above.
 
My friend asked me what I thought would happen to MacDonald and Vanek today.
I said I thought Toffoli and a pick would get him for the Kings. Makes sense. They need scoring. I see MacDonald going to Toronto.
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I believe it. Someone here the other night had a pretty specific LA-Vanek rumor, forget who.

it was like 2am at the crest of BoomerMania.
 
Ail said:
Duthie: Buzz around MSL and the snub, is the relationship broken enough to part?

BobMac: The two teams talked. The offer was made by the Rangers. It's not going to happen on a 1 for 1. They'll want a lot more than that. They wouldn't pay Callahan in Tampa. The rangers won't pay more to get MSL. Did he request a trade? "The feeling in the NHL community" is MSL right after the snub did ask for a trade, but they are not sure if that is still true. Feels the NYR story is recycled. No one is commenting on it however. IF he did ask for a trade and only to NYR, it won't happen now, only more likely in the off season. Tampa will keep him.
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Terrible analysis. He said two rumors were floating around which they aren't discussing, one being MSL asking for a trade, the other being MSL saying he will only go to the Rangers. He didn't say it wouldn't happen and was more likely in the offseason. He said that 1 for 1 it won't happen, and that if it doesn't happen then it may carry over to the offseason.

Jeez Ail are your ears broken?
 
Rust Heisenberg said:
I think it's incredibly disrespectful. Many people trying to invalidate Boomer's credibility because it doesn't fit with their plans for the team.

For what it's worth, I normally wouldn't think this trade would be possible. But I think Boomer definitely has a higher up source and I think he stands to lose far more by this than he does to gain by blowing smoke.
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Is Boomer's word worth more than Dreger, Brooks, and Cristodero combined?

Do they not have more to lose than gain?
 
Staal hits UFA after next season. Girardi and Stralman in a few months.

Amazing how McDonagh could be the last guy left from what many of us in 2012 considered the best group of dmen the franchise had in decades.
 
mschmidt64 said:
Can I get a summary of where this rumor is at right now, without reading 40 pages?

:sarcasm:
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Side 1: Boomer has sources. He's been right before. Let's wait and see before we crucify him.
Side 2: This trade makes no sense, logically. Boomer is just a lowly radio host trying to boost ratings and a borderline NHler who's pedigree should be stated much lower than it is (for some reason) isn't going to yield a disgruntled, 38 y/o, adams trophy (or whatever), future pope.
 
Barbara Underhill said:
Terrible analysis. He said two rumors were floating around which they aren't discussing, one being MSL asking for a trade, the other being MSL saying he will only go to the Rangers. He didn't say it wouldn't happen and was more likely in the offseason. He said that 1 for 1 it won't happen, and that if it doesn't happen then it may carry over to the offseason.

Jeez Ail are your ears broken?
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Haha, no I was trying to truncate and capture the important stuff. I didn't hear him say the "two rumors" part while I was typing.

AM SORRY OKAY!?!?!
 
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Is Boomer's word worth more than Dreger, Brooks, and Cristodero combined?

Do they not have more to lose than gain?
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Brooks isn't sticking his neck on the line. He's reporting past events. The trade was inquired about. Tampa was asked. They weren't interested. It doesn't make sense for them to be interested now.

McKenzie says the same thing. Dreger as well.

Their sources are all suddenly quite. They're all open about that fact too. But their word is being regarded as non-speculation besides their knowledge of what happened a month ago.

McKenzie wonders if its recycled. He speculates that TB wouldn't do a 1 for 1 and would require more. He's not in their war room and he openly admits no one has talked to him about recent developments.

No one's sticking their neck out besides Boomer. He has most to lose. And rightfully so. If it doesn't happen he's created a ton of meaningless buzz and hooplah. Logic tells us its not possible, Boomer tells us otherwise at the expense of his credibility. McKenzie, Dreger, and Brooks can always write up a follow up article about how the situation drastically changed for the trade to happen. Boomer can't do that as easily without looking like a attention seeking cop out.
 
Rust Heisenberg said:
Side 1: Boomer has sources. He's been right before. Let's wait and see before we crucify him.
Side 2: This trade makes no sense, logically. Boomer is just a lowly radio host trying to boost ratings and a borderline NHler who's pedigree should be stated much lower than it is (for some reason) isn't going to yield a disgruntled, 38 y/o, adams trophy (or whatever), future pope.
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Dont forget how several NHL beat reporters have now discredited Boomer's version of the story; people who have more to lose on the credibility scale considering the NHL is their livelihood.
 
BrooklynRangersFan said:
So, in other words, to interpret your spin to plain language:

He could violate his contractual obligation, leave $8MM on the table, give up the game he loves, end the only career he knows prematurely and, in so doing, let down his teammates and the fanbase you say he loves so well... in a hissy fit.

I'm not buying it.
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Barry Sanders.
 
Esiason took advantage of 99.99999 of the accredited hockey world being fixated on Sochi and Team Canada. The real journalists with real sources -- multiple sources like agents, asst GMs, coaches, players etc -- didnt have time to give their thoughts on Callahan because they were all on deadline.

They came back. Took a nap. Had some normal food, made some calls, then effectively obliterated a rumor that would have never hit the wires had there not been a bigger hockey story 10 time zones east.
 
IDK, can you mention something non-MSL here without getting voided?
3rd straight day Staal cant practice (back spasms).

Doesnt sound major, but jeez every single time this guy gets to the top of his game something happens.

We haven't even been playing!
 
I'm not calling anyone a liar until the deadline has come and gone. Then its avatar time.
 
Barbara Underhill said:
Terrible analysis. He said two rumors were floating around which they aren't discussing, one being MSL asking for a trade, the other being MSL saying he will only go to the Rangers. He didn't say it wouldn't happen and was more likely in the offseason. He said that 1 for 1 it won't happen, and that if it doesn't happen then it may carry over to the offseason.

Jeez Ail are your ears broken?
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What about the, "They wou pay Callahan in Tampa part?"
 
GWOW said:
Esiason took advantage of 99.99999 of the accredited hockey world being fixated on Sochi and Team Canada. The real journalists with real sources -- multiple sources like agents, asst GMs, coaches, players etc -- didnt have time to give their thoughts on Callahan because they were all on deadline.

They came back. Took a nap. Had some normal food, made some calls, then effectively obliterated a rumor that would have never hit the wires had there not been a bigger hockey story 10 time zones east.
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Except many of them said it was a valid rumor. The only difference is that Boomer feels that it will still happen while many of them aren't willing to commit one way or the other.
 
In addition, i'm taking a journalism class right now that exposes journalism tactics.

Many credible publications have gone with the tactic of posting information even if they know it's not true.

Posting it's not true generates buzz and chatter. When it happens, the same publication is able to offer a follow up, generating more readers and buzz. They get readers when they say its not true. They get readers when they correct themselves and say it is true.

I'm not saying TSN uses these tactics, but it is rather commonplace amongst journalists.

Boomer isn't a journalist. He's a radio host. He's a fan of the team. And he has a connection to the team.

A newspaper or a publication can more easily get away with being wrong. Boomer can't.
 
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