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Bleed Ranger Blue said:
Let Lundqvist carry the team on his back, continue to produce OK (but not stellar) prospects that are becoming a bit redundant at this point? Try to import the latest band-aid/flavor of the month to cover up holes? Fail miserably at finding a suitable top-flight center and play-making defenseman? Was that the plan?

Sather freely flies by the seat of his pants each season; that seems to be the plan.
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Fix up defense (getting younger). Balance offensive lines. Add more scoring potential. Add more depth. Add better centers.

He's tried, and succeeded at, almost all of that.

Was it pretty? No.

Was it effective? Some of it.

But the plan to get younger, build an identity, and try and find balance, has been in place for a while.
 
BrooklynRangersFan said:
Please tell me about St. Louis's so-called leverage. What's he going to do? Sit out and essentially end his career?

He was pissed and asked for them to explore a trade. Perhaps out of courtesy to his many years of service they did so.

But, as McKenzie points out, why on earth would Yzerman take anything less than what he deems to be full market value? And why would the Rangers pony up extra assets in the form of picks and prospects for a 38 year old? Makes no sense at all.
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Yea....but still.....Boomer Esiason said it.
 
Don't know if this has been posted yet. A recap of Dreger on the radio earlier today:

On the Marty St. Louis situation, Dreger said “I know the Rangers thought it was amusing, the speculation and rumor about St. Louis for Ryan Callahan. I can assure you that if that deal was ever proposed that the Rangers would make it instantly.”

On Ryan Callahan, Dreger said, “Ryan Callahan is on the trade block and that is not a news flash. We talked about that prior to the roster freeze and there were no contract talks that would lead me to believe that anything is going to change. Callahan is going to go into auction and you will have teams like Tampa Bay perhaps, perhaps the LA Kings kicking tires to see what the rate of return is going to be but we may not know what the rate of return is going to be until trade deadline day.”
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BrooklynRangersFan said:
Please tell me about St. Louis's so-called leverage. What's he going to do? Sit out and essentially end his career?

He was pissed and asked for them to explore a trade. Perhaps out of courtesy to his many years of service they did so.

But, as McKenzie points out, why on earth would Yzerman take anything less than what he deems to be full market value? And why would the Rangers pony up extra assets in the form of picks and prospects for a 38 year old? Makes no sense at all.
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He could retire. It could become messy to the point where Stamkos leaves. Fans love him and he'd create a rift between management and the fans.

Florida isn't a hockey state. They struggle with revenue. St. Louis brings a lot of fans to the stadium. He has for years. They buy his jersey. They support his charitable programs and events. A rift between the two parties will alienate fans in one of two directions. 1) To resent St. Louis, leading to less positive sentiment for the team and less revenue that he brings by having die hard fans support the team because of him. or 2) resent the management for disrespecting him and forcing him to this situation.

In the process, it will distract the locker room, will undermine the new rookie coach's pull over the group they have in there (especially younger players), and will set a bad precedent and image to how TB management deals with their own players. Yzerman didn't take care of his own in the Olympics. He kept Kunitz and Crosby together. He kept Sharp with Toews. But he didn't keep Stamkos and MSL. Player's egos get in the way. It's an unfortunate reality. Some don't take it to heart, some do. MSL clearly did.

He's 38, in all probability he had more availability to talk to SY about his desire to represent Canada before he retired. Yzerman didn't listen. Now this.

Now he can get vocal and disrupt the best Tampa team to play since '04. Again, likely to the Rangers, for an even lesser return than our current captain.

Or Yzerman can get our captain in an attempt to salvage their playoff hopes for this season and maybe even be able to resign him too.

Makes a lot of sense to me.
 
Vidic15 said:
Dreger and McKenzie are a couple of condescending douches. Boomer is a NYR source. Dreger and McKenzie have their heads up Toronto's butt, so we can't rely on their once in a bluemoon NYR update.
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Im pretty sure that most of the knowledgeable hockey world would disagree with you.

Maybe Boomer is an NYR source. But perhaps thats the problem, hes only an NYR source. Very little thought was given to how stupid that rumor looked from the Tampa Bay side before he started running his mouth about it.

The likes to which some people will go when they want a rumor to be true is pretty astounding. Ex-football player and radio host Boomer Esiason a better source than Dreger or, especially, McKenzie. Yea. OK.
 
So the composite of Dreger & McKenzie's reports & remarks are just what might be expected as the rollout continues....

Everything speculated here & elsewhere has now been thrown in the hopper, it's all out there, public domain.

No one can be shocked by anything. Reported smirks & hedging all around. And my guess is sometime before Thursday we get a announcement, and that's that.
 
Rust Heisenberg said:
He could retire. It could become messy to the point where Stamkos leaves. Fans love him and he'd create a rift between management and the fans.

Florida isn't a hockey state. They struggle with revenue. St. Louis brings a lot of fans to the stadium. He has for years. They buy his jersey. They support his charitable programs and events. A rift between the two parties will alienate fans in one of two directions. 1) To resent St. Louis, leading to less positive sentiment for the team and less revenue that he brings by having die hard fans support the team because of him. or 2) resent the management for disrespecting him and forcing him to this situation.

In the process, it will distract the locker room, will undermine the new rookie coach's pull over the group they have in there (especially younger players), and will set a bad precedent and image to how TB management deals with their own players. Yzerman didn't take care of his own in the Olympics. He kept Kunitz and Crosby together. He kept Sharp with Toews. But he didn't keep Stamkos and MSL. Player's egos get in the way. It's an unfortunate reality. Some don't take it to heart, some do. MSL clearly did.

He's 38, in all probability he had more availability to talk to SY about his desire to represent Canada before he retired. Yzerman didn't listen. Now this.

Now he can get vocal and disrupt the best Tampa team to play since '04. Again, likely to the Rangers, for an even lesser return than our current captain.

Or Yzerman can get our captain in an attempt to salvage their playoff hopes for this season and maybe even be able to resign him too.

Makes a lot of sense to me.
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So, in other words, to interpret your spin to plain language:

He could violate his contractual obligation, leave $8MM on the table, give up the game he loves, end the only career he knows prematurely and, in so doing, let down his teammates and the fanbase you say he loves so well... in a hissy fit.

I'm not buying it.
 
Boomer basically goes from the Rangers greatest source of all time to Incarcerated Bob if this trade doesn't happen. People will rip him apart.
 
Todd Harvey said:
So the composite of Dreger & McKenzie's reports & remarks are just what might be expected as the rollout continues....

Everything speculated here & elsewhere has now been thrown in the hopper, it's all out there, public domain.

No one can be shocked by anything. Reported smirks & hedging all around. And my guess is sometime before Thursday we get a announcement, and that's that.
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Lets hope you're alive to see it. Dissecting each word of this rumor as if it were the Zapruder film must be pretty tiring.

Especially when the rumored 1 for 1 swap spits in the face of any sort of logic from the Tampa Bay side.
 
What Im guessing happens next is now other trades get announced, tonight;

I think MSL has safely been earmarked for us, Cally for TB despite any reports of hedging by the principals.

But there are 28 other teams, and Im guessing we see a Vanek or Moulson or someone start the dominoes tonight.

it'd be something if we pulled off a different move in the meantime LOL..
 
Todd Harvey said:
What Im guessing happens next is now other trades get announced, tonight;

I think MSL has safely been earmarked for us, Cally for TB despite any reports of hedging by the principals.

But there are 28 other teams, and Im guessing we see a Vanek or Moulson or someone start the dominoes tonight.

it'd be something if we pulled off a different move in the meantime LOL..
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My friend asked me what I thought would happen to MacDonald and Vanek today.

I said I thought Toffoli and a pick would get him for the Kings. Makes sense. They need scoring.

I see MacDonald going to Toronto.
 
Vidic15 said:
Dreger and McKenzie are a couple of condescending douches. Boomer is a NYR source. Dreger and McKenzie have their heads up Toronto's butt, so we can't rely on their once in a bluemoon NYR update.
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not sure if serious....
 
Ail said:
Will implies future tense, have you been reading the boards today?
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I don't doubt that some are skeptical but it seems like a lot of people around here really value his "source". This will all blow up in his face if it doesn't go down which is interesting because he's by far the least opinionated person on ny sports radio.
 
Boomer nailed the DZ trade a month before it happened. So, I would give him some credibility.
 
Ail said:
Will implies future tense, have you been reading the boards today?
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I think it's incredibly disrespectful. Many people trying to invalidate Boomer's credibility because it doesn't fit with their plans for the team.

For what it's worth, I normally wouldn't think this trade would be possible. But I think Boomer definitely has a higher up source and I think he stands to lose far more by this than he does to gain by blowing smoke.
 
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