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Bleed Ranger Blue said:
Dont forget how several NHL beat reporters have now discredited Boomer's version of the story; people who have more to lose on the credibility scale considering the NHL is their livelihood.
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Knowledge is power. Claiming you know something with near certainty vs. arguing logic is entirely different.
 
Barbara Underhill said:
Except many of them said it was a valid rumor. The only difference is that Boomer feels that it will still happen while many of them aren't willing to commit one way or the other.
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No to mention Bob Mac just clearly stated he has no idea whether or not MSL is no longer butt hurt and no one involved is commenting on it.
 
BrooklynRangersFan said:
They've said pretty clearly that the 1-for-1 story is BS and it won't happen unless the Rangers give up more assets.
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Explain to me how they go from:

"All sides are tight lipped and quiet now"
"We don't know if it is recycled and outdated or recent"

to

"Tampa won't accept a 1 for 1 offer"

Without telling me they aren't speculating. They do not know.
 
stan the caddy said:
What about the, "They wou pay Callahan in Tampa part?"
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I'm assuming you mean they wouldn't pay Callahan? Who cares, either another team turns him down on his demands and he decides to lower them or he continues on with those demands and Buffalo signs him. It's up to Tampa to decide if they want to take the risk, obviously right now they don't unless the Rangers add something. Which I think they will. This all hinges on MSL not changing his mind, he has total control of his destination if he still wants out of TB. If that is the case than Yzerman should maximize the return, knowing Sather he isn't going to budge much. He'll add a conditional pick or a prospect of some sort. They could wait for the off season but the return will get worse and or Sather will decide he is no longer interested, which I imagine is his next move. Basically take it or leave it I'll add a little but I want him sooner rather than later.
 
Barbara Underhill said:
Except many of them said it was a valid rumor. The only difference is that Boomer feels that it will still happen while many of them aren't willing to commit one way or the other.
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Boomer said it was a done deal and he thought he would be a Ranger by Thursday.

He specifically said 1-for-1 swap with a cond'l pick going to NY.

Like I said....Boomer was probably told by his insider that it was done, and Boomer hedged his bets that he was right. He wanted to break a story rather than do what real journalists do (which is verify validity via other sources close to the story)

The problem is that Boomer doesnt have multiple sources. He has his main guy and Al Dukes.
 
Rust Heisenberg said:
In addition, i'm taking a journalism class right now that exposes journalism tactics.

Many credible publications have gone with the tactic of posting information even if they know it's not true.

Posting it's not true generates buzz and chatter. When it happens, the same publication is able to offer a follow up, generating more readers and buzz. They get readers when they say its not true. They get readers when they correct themselves and say it is true.

I'm not saying TSN uses these tactics, but it is rather commonplace amongst journalists.

Boomer isn't a journalist. He's a radio host. He's a fan of the team. And he has a connection to the team.

A newspaper or a publication can more easily get away with being wrong. Boomer can't.
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Of COURSE he can.

1) He can say "it was all but done from the Rangers' side, but then [MSL had a change of heart/TB backed off/Venus entered Aquarius] and the deal hit a snag."

2) He can point to the fact that he's gotten plenty of major stories right in the past and explain that no one gets every rumor right.

3) He can turn to Carton and say "so what do you think the Rams are going to do with the 2nd pick?"

If he ever comes out with a new rumor, it will be just as hotly debated - and, more importantly, his viewership won't change at all.
 
GWOW said:
Esiason took advantage of 99.99999 of the accredited hockey world being fixated on Sochi and Team Canada. The real journalists with real sources -- multiple sources like agents, asst GMs, coaches, players etc -- didnt have time to give their thoughts on Callahan because they were all on deadline.

They came back. Took a nap. Had some normal food, made some calls, then effectively obliterated a rumor that would have never hit the wires had there not been a bigger hockey story 10 time zones east.
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hahaha that is such a conservative way of looking it. You may be right though
 
Vidic15 said:
Dreger and McKenzie are a couple of condescending douches. Boomer is a NYR source. Dreger and McKenzie have their heads up Toronto's butt, so we can't rely on their once in a bluemoon NYR update.
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Are you kidding me? When did it become cool to hate on McKenzie? The guy is as legit as it gets, seems like people are just mad the trade isn't happening so they take out their anger on Mac because he lives in the real world
 
GWOW said:
Excellent point.
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but their aren't. the only thing they are doing is saying it's old news. while saying they haven't spoken with any of parties involved. its more empty talk. but they need to chime on it. the part of the hockey community which soaks up rumors/news has been talking about this for 2 days. they had to print something.
 
BrooklynRangersFan said:
Of COURSE he can.

1) He can say "it was all but done from the Rangers' side, but then [MSL had a change of heart/TB backed off/Venus entered Aquarius] and the deal hit a snag."

2) He can point to the fact that he's gotten plenty of major stories right in the past and explain that no one gets every rumor right.

3) He can turn to Carton and say "so what do you think the Rams are going to do with the 2nd pick?"

If he ever comes out with a new rumor, it will be just as hotly debated - and, more importantly, his viewership won't change at all.
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4) He doesn't have to be around the team on a day in and day out basis.
 
Wow, you guys are getting serious LOL;

It's all posturing from here on out boys. scenery for the public like Mr X said, since someone brought up Zapruder LOL;

Since Brooks 1st 'published" story just a few hours ago, it's now been picked up by national hockey media and the talks & details & deal have already advanced beyond 1-for-1.

Yzerman can't look like he's just giving MSL away (for a rental).
So they let it slip, a bit at a time.

Good news is, there isnt much farther to slip, and this baby's gonna land right where Boomer said it would.
 
BrooklynRangersFan said:
They've said pretty clearly that the 1-for-1 story is BS and it won't happen unless the Rangers give up more assets.
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they aren't even saying its BS. they are simply saying it won't happen. And then if it happens they will say 'well we could not see this happening, but things in tampa were more tense then we knew, and here we are' hands washed
 
BrooklynRangersFan said:
Of COURSE he can.

1) He can say "it was all but done from the Rangers' side, but then [MSL had a change of heart/TB backed off/Venus entered Aquarius] and the deal hit a snag."

2) He can point to the fact that he's gotten plenty of major stories right in the past and explain that no one gets every rumor right.

3) He can turn to Carton and say "so what do you think the Rams are going to do with the 2nd pick?"

If he ever comes out with a new rumor, it will be just as hotly debated - and, more importantly, his viewership won't change at all.
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In terms of credibility, no he can't.

He went on a twitter tirade last night. He goes from credible to attention seeker. And, if we assume that the Rangers are using him as an outlet to expedite the trade process, this lack of credibility will certainly affect major news outlets picking up a rumor to discuss as a topic.
 
Reporters don't see into the future, they just happen to get word of the news a few minutes/hours before others do.
 
Rust Heisenberg said:
In addition, i'm taking a journalism class right now that exposes journalism tactics.

Many credible publications have gone with the tactic of posting information even if they know it's not true.

Posting it's not true generates buzz and chatter. When it happens, the same publication is able to offer a follow up, generating more readers and buzz. They get readers when they say its not true. They get readers when they correct themselves and say it is true.

I'm not saying TSN uses these tactics, but it is rather commonplace amongst journalists.

Boomer isn't a journalist. He's a radio host. He's a fan of the team. And he has a connection to the team.

A newspaper or a publication can more easily get away with being wrong. Boomer can't.
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Sports writers normally have good peer-to-peer relationships. They travel together, they eat together and they are usually united in situations like these.

The majority care more about accuracy than they do breaking a story. These guys know they aren't winning Pulitzers. For every Garrioch or Eklund there are hundreds upon hundreds of dedicated journalists with real sources who wont announce rumor with detailed specifics the way Boomer did.

Boomer should have left it at "hearing Callahan trade talk again. Likely to happen and Rangers still talking to several teams."

Once he heard from his sour e about MSL, he should have called his Tampa sources to confirm.

The problem is that Boomer doesnt have Tampa sources. If he did, he would have reported what all the beat writers are saying.
 
Todd Harvey said:
Wow, you guys are getting serious LOL;

It's all posturing from here on out boys. scenery for the public like Mr X said, since someone brought up Zapruder LOL;

Since Brooks 1st 'published" story just a few hours ago, it's now been picked up by national hockey media and the talks & details & deal have already advanced beyond 1-for-1.

Yzerman can't look like he's just giving MSL away.
So they let it slip, a bit at a time.

Good news is, there isnt much farther to go, and this baby's gonna land right where Boomer said it would.
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Just so Im clear, you think this thing winds up a 1 for 1 swap.

Callahan for St. Louis?
 
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GWOW said:
Sports writers normally have good peer-to-peer relationships. They travel together, they eat together and they are usually united in situations like these.

The majority care more about accuracy than they do breaking a story. These guys know they aren't winning Pulitzers. For every Garrioch or Eklund there are hundreds upon hundreds of dedicated journalists with real sources who wont announce rumor with detailed specifics the way Boomer did.

Boomer should have left it at "hearing Callahan trade talk again. Likely to happen and Rangers still talking to several teams."

Once he heard from his sour e about MSL, he should have called his Tampa sources to confirm.

The problem is that Boomer doesnt have Tampa sources. If he did, he would have reported what all the beat writers are saying.
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I think your idealistic view of journalism has drastically changed in recent years.

Far more reporters gamble on breaking stories now.

I'm not arguing the ethics of it.
 
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