Speculation: Trade Rumor/Speculation Thread XXII: St Louis vs St Louis

[AlternateSideParking]

I think your idealistic view of journalism has drastically changed in recent years.

Far more reporters gamble on breaking stories now.

I'm not arguing the ethics of it.

"Reporters" is a subjective term. I dont count bloggers. Credentialed media who are members of the hockey writers association tend to fact check before they blurt out the hottest rumor.

Look at the Rangers beat writers. They never tweet rumor or innuendo. Even Brooks has toned it down considerably from his earlier days.

 

[Punxrocknyc19*]

Blues recall Jaskin from Chicago of Wolves


http://blues.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=706212



hmm....

 

[SA16]

I think MSL for Cally straight up is lopsided for us.
I think MSL for Cally with an extension is lopsided for them.

Make sense?

I don't understand this thought. If we are arguing Callahan is not worth 7-47 and we make the assumption TB would be willing to pay this then MSL for Cally with an extension should be even more lopsided for us than MSL for Cally with no extension and one of our opponents would be giving themselves a bad contract hurting their future. Especially given our preference to let him walk over give him 7-47 indicates we think that extra cap space is more valuable than he would be using it.

 

[Todd Harvey]

EJ Hradek thinks Callahan might stay with Rangers..

Actually EJ said he 'hopes' Callahan stays with the Rangers, because he likes him & thinks "he's a winner".

This despite Cally never having won anything. Not to slam Cally, but that was pretty baseless.

 

[AlternateSideParking]

No. He didn't. Go look at Nils post on the first page of the previous thread, all he said was that he heard a conditional pick might be added. Which to me means he heard it was 1 for 1 but the Rangers may need to add a sweetener. Which makes logical sense if you think about it.

Lol ok. Him saying "he heard" a pick might be added is him, well, um, saying it.

 

[BarbaraAlphanse]

I don't understand this thought. If we are arguing Callahan is not worth 7-47 and we make the assumption TB would be willing to pay this then MSL for Cally with an extension should be even more lopsided for us than MSL for Cally with no extension and one of our opponents would be giving themselves a bad contract hurting their future. Especially given our preference to let him walk over give him 7-47 indicates we think that extra cap space is more valuable than he would be using it.

The thought is a player who is better for a year longer should yield a condition.

A player who is younger and can satisfy the other team for far longer should yield a condition.

1.5 vs. .5.

7.5 vs. 1.5.

Not fair either way.

 

[Todd Harvey]

"I don't consider McKenzie a prophet."

haha....good word.

 

[Thirty One]

Blues recall Jaskin from Chicago of Wolves


http://blues.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=706212



hmm....

I think we'll see a lot of teams recalling players who were just down for the Olympic break in the upcoming days.

 

[Tawnos]

Maybe a poor word choice, but the quality of the source is very relevant to the quality of the rumor.

Except that it isn't relevant to that either. Except for the occasional person simply making things up (Incarcerated Bob, for example) one rumor is not more legitimate than another... because they're rumors.

 

[RangerBoy]

Bob McKenzie is now the problem? McKenzie was the boss of the Hockey News when Boomer was dating cheerleaders at Maryland in the 1980s.

Look at all of these people bending over backwards to defend Norman Esiason. Pathetic.

 

[NernieBichols]

I don't consider McKenzie a prophet.

He is however, a well-connected hockey insider who won't overhype a story.

ok he won't overhype a story, but lets see between now and the deadline how many things he puts out there that doesn't happen. He's a mouthpiece. The hockey trade/rumor circuit is a money maker and interest driver for the entire league and every single team. Look at this website and others. Ok so he has some handshake deals and some buddies he gives kickbacks to who give him scoops that the teams dont mind being out there. Its so vanilla as is everything he said.

He's shooting this down right now bc the lightning want this quiet right now and as a poster just stated he probably would go to bat for Yzerman

 

[Pugs35]

ok he won't overhype a story, but lets see between now and the deadline how many things he puts out there that doesn't happen. He's a mouthpiece. The hockey trade/rumor circuit is a money maker and interest driver for the entire league and every single team. Look at this website and others. Ok so he has some handshake deals and some buddies he gives kickbacks to who give him scoops that the teams dont mind being out there. Its so vanilla as is everything he said.

He's shooting this down right now bc the lightning want this quiet right now and as a poster just stated he probably would go to bat for Yzerman

Yes because Boomer Esiason is completely unbiased and objective.

 

[Kel Varnsen]

Bob McKenzie is now the problem? McKenzie was the boss of the Hockey News when Boomer was dating cheerleaders at Maryland in the 1980s.

Look at all of these people bending over backwards to defend Norman Esiason. Pathetic.

Scoreboard. Look at Boomer's track record on his hockey calls. When he makes them they happen.

 

[SA16]

The thought is a player who is better for a year longer should yield a condition.

A player who is younger and can satisfy the other team for far longer should yield a condition.

1.5 vs. .5.

7.5 vs. 1.5.

Not fair either way.

But it would be on a bad contract...would we want to trade him for Clarkson who's signed longer but on a horrible contract? The contract makes his value lower, not higher.

 

[*Bob Richards*]

But the point I was trying to make that he isn't sticking his neck on the line to the same extent Boomer is, holds relevant. He's not.

But is Boomer REALLY sticking his neck out there? Will anyone really care if he's wrong? He can easily spin it to all 5 people that listen to his show for hockey. I listen to the show and hockey is generally covered for five minutes on Jerry Recco's speed updates.

 

[RangerBoy]

So? Anyone with a brain realizes the Rangers probably need to add, it's semantics. Boomer said he heard it was 1 for 1 but that a conditional pick may be added. If that's what people are damning him for it's silly.

Boomer said the pick was coming to the Rangers

@NY_Sports_Fan00 all I know now is 1 for 1 player trade maybe a conditional pick coming to the NYR.

https://twitter.com/7BOOMERESIASON/status/437406993431928833

The only problem is Brooks and McKenzie have reported the Rangers don't want to add. What do they know?

 

[Thirty One]

Bob McKenzie is now the problem? McKenzie was the boss of the Hockey News when Boomer was dating cheerleaders at Maryland in the 1980s.

Look at all of these people bending over backwards to defend Norman Esiason. Pathetic.

Yes. Thank you.

People here are very flexible. Bob McKenzie can be a irresponsible rumor monger if it fits their storyline. And Boomer Esiason can be an infallible source on hockey matters.

 

[AlternateSideParking]

Scoreboard. Look at Boomer's track record on his hockey calls. When he makes them they happen.

A broken clock is right twice a day.

 

[NernieBichols]

Bob McKenzie is now the problem? McKenzie was the boss of the Hockey News when Boomer was dating cheerleaders at Maryland in the 1980s.

Look at all of these people bending over backwards to defend Norman Esiason. Pathetic.

BS RB. its not bending over backwards to defend Boomer. I got no dog in. Its sticking by the merits of what was said, the unusualness of it, Im backing that Boomer is on too something. And that what he did signifies that as much as his comments do.

And personally what Im saying about Mckenzie, is hearing him report what he did, doesn't change how I view whats going down. He simply said he thinks its not happening.

Well as your bolded said. Mckenzie is a writer. I know Boomer is now a radio host, but more then that he is a national sports personality, he's not doing what he did off a month old news. Sorry Bob not buying that one

 

[NYGBleedBlueNYR]

"Reporters" is a subjective term. I dont count bloggers. Credentialed media who are members of the hockey writers association tend to fact check before they blurt out the hottest rumor.

Look at the Rangers beat writers. They never tweet rumor or innuendo. Even Brooks has toned it down considerably from his earlier days.

I wasn't limiting to it hockey writers certain teams or any other sport.

I said your view of journalism as a whole.

 

[Infinitum Vitae*]

Man every writer and analyst is shooting down the rumor... looks like boomer could be wrong

 

[Tawnos]

But is Boomer REALLY sticking his neck out there? Will anyone really care if he's wrong? He can easily spin it to all 5 people that listen to his show for hockey. I listen to the show and hockey is generally covered for five minutes on Jerry Recco's speed updates.

No, he is not. When asked how likely it was, he said 9 on a scale of 1-10. That's not reporting something happening, that's reporting a rumor. He also used words like "I'm hearing.." He was reporting a rumor the same way that any of the other guys do. The difference is that he's not a typical source and is as much a fan as journalist, but one known to have some inside information. This has and always has had the same level of merit as something coming from those guys.

It's a RUMOR, dammit. I wish people would stop arguing about legitimacy.

 

[NernieBichols]

Yes because Boomer Esiason is completely unbiased and objective.

I didn't say he was. How many rangers rumors have been out there. How many things has he spoken on. One, Klein and it happened. The guy is not gonna tweet out the world, random rumors from a month ago man

 

[NYGBleedBlueNYR]

Jesus we need SOMETHING to happen so the debate is player based again.

 

[NernieBichols]

Boomer said the pick was coming to the Rangers



https://twitter.com/7BOOMERESIASON/status/437406993431928833

The only problem is Brooks and McKenzie have reported the Rangers don't want to add. What do they know?

Enough with this smug tone man. No body is saying they don't know anything.

Geesh its tough to figure the rangers wouldn't want to add picks in addition to trading away Callahan for a 38 yo. Thats obviously gonna be extremely tough to sell to portions of the fan base.