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From what I heard, Burmi doesn't have much interest in coming back. Even so, might be tough to get Grabo under the cap depending upon who we bring in for D.
Speculation: Trade / Roster Speculation Thread XXXIV: Over the edge of being a little closer.
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From what I heard, Burmi doesn't have much interest in coming back. Even so, might be tough to get Grabo under the cap depending upon who we bring in for D.
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I think the current prospect pipeline offers a lot to replace some of the UFAs/guys who could be moved.
Lindberg is a logical 5v5 Richards replacement (not sure how his PP minutes get replaced, even as he was inefficient there).
Miller is the logical Pouliot replacement to me, doesn't have the same size/hands but I think he's more than willing to play in the rough areas/park out front, which is what that line needs.
Fast is the Moore/Boyle replacement, possibly even Dorsett if they decide to go without a true fighter (I love the idea of a Boyle/Moore/Fast line).
Where does Kristo fit? I know he's a natural RW, but given the space that MZA/Brassard make, could he hang with them? He's an NHL level scorer, but not much of an NHL level anything else at this point.
Lindberg is a logical 5v5 Richards replacement (not sure how his PP minutes get replaced, even as he was inefficient there).
Miller is the logical Pouliot replacement to me, doesn't have the same size/hands but I think he's more than willing to play in the rough areas/park out front, which is what that line needs.
Fast is the Moore/Boyle replacement, possibly even Dorsett if they decide to go without a true fighter (I love the idea of a Boyle/Moore/Fast line).
Where does Kristo fit? I know he's a natural RW, but given the space that MZA/Brassard make, could he hang with them? He's an NHL level scorer, but not much of an NHL level anything else at this point.
Because Stastny>>>>>Miller. The original proposal had us signing Stastny, which would leave no room at all for Miller as a C. And he would absolutely net a 1st, IMO
With the Richards buyout, in that proposal, wouldn't we simply be replacing Stastny's cap hit with Richards' cap hit? How much of Richards' salary remains on the cap after the buyout (if any)?
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You really should do some research before posting stuff like this. It takes 2 seconds to check capgeek to see what the cap numbers are for next season.
If you had checked it, you would have seen that we have lots of players who are either UFA or RFA this summer and that if we want to bring them back, they will all need raises, some larger than others.
The bottom line is that it isn't possible to keep this team together next season. Buying out Richards (compliance buyout, no cap hit) should enable us to re-sign everyone else, but that's about it.
Don't forget that both Hank and Girardi already got their raises for next season. Those 2 alone will add 4.8 mil to our cap number. Zucc's cap number this year is 1.15 mil. He may get as much as 4 mil this summer. Stralman made 1.7 this year and will probably make between 3 and 4 mil per on a new contract.
So no, bringing in Stastny is completely unrealistic, and trading JT Miller would be a mistake. We need more good, cheap NHL players, not less.
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Our team is likely going to take a step back next year unless someone steps up on the PP in a big way. Richie will be bought out, and Miller will take his ES time. Rest will be resigned IMO.
Hagelin-Stepan-Nash
Our shutdown line that can also counter attack extremely efficiently. Hagelin and Nash have had chemistry in the past.
Kreider-Miller-MSL
Offensive zone FOs for this line. All speed.
Poo-Brass-Zucc
Self explanatory
Boyle-Moore-Dorsett/Fast
McD-G
Staal-Stralman
Moore-Klein
If McIlrath suggests he's more than ready, one of Stralman/Klein could be dealt.
Hagelin-Stepan-Nash
Our shutdown line that can also counter attack extremely efficiently. Hagelin and Nash have had chemistry in the past.
Kreider-Miller-MSL
Offensive zone FOs for this line. All speed.
Poo-Brass-Zucc
Self explanatory
Boyle-Moore-Dorsett/Fast
McD-G
Staal-Stralman
Moore-Klein
If McIlrath suggests he's more than ready, one of Stralman/Klein could be dealt.
Gonna say Boyle goes cause someone will overpay. Other ufas back upfront . Buyout brich
Kreider, stepan , Nash
Pouliott , brassard , zuccarello
Hagelin, miller, msl
Fast , Moore, Dorsett
Carcillo
On d Stralman out , mcilrath in
Mcd, girardi
Staal, Klein
Moore, mcilrath
Falk, Diaz
Then hank and cam of course
Win the cup and give done Kids more ice
Kreider, stepan , Nash
Pouliott , brassard , zuccarello
Hagelin, miller, msl
Fast , Moore, Dorsett
Carcillo
On d Stralman out , mcilrath in
Mcd, girardi
Staal, Klein
Moore, mcilrath
Falk, Diaz
Then hank and cam of course
Win the cup and give done Kids more ice
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Can't afford that though, unless we give Kreider a bridge deal which I'm very much against.
Trade Dorsett and replace him with Fast on the 4th. Keep the one of Boyle/Moore that will accept a deal under $2M/year (likely Moore, if any of them) and promote Lindberg to take the open spot.
Re-sign Carcillo as the 13F.
This almost fits a $69M cap:
CAPGEEK.COM ARMCHAIR GM ROSTER
CapGeek Armchair GM Roster
FORWARDS
Carl Hagelin ($2.250m) / Derek Stepan ($3.075m) / Rick Nash ($7.800m)
Chris Kreider ($4.000m) / J.T. Miller ($0.894m) / Martin St. Louis ($5.625m)
Benoit Pouliot ($2.000m) / Derick Brassard ($4.000m) / Mats Zuccarello ($4.000m)
Dominic Moore ($1.500m) / Oscar Lindberg ($0.675m) / Jesper Fast ($0.805m)
Daniel Carcillo ($0.825m) /
DEFENSEMEN
Dan Girardi ($5.500m) / Ryan McDonagh ($4.700m)
Marc Staal ($3.975m) / Anton Stralman ($3.700m)
John Moore ($0.950m) / Kevin Klein ($2.900m)
Raphael Diaz ($0.900m) /
GOALTENDERS
Henrik Lundqvist ($8.500m)
Cameron Talbot ($0.563m)
BUYOUTS
Wade Redden ($0.000m)
Brad Richards ($0.000m)
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(estimations for 2014-15)
SALARY CAP: $71,100,000; CAP PAYROLL: $69,136,667; BONUSES: $530,000
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $1,963,333
Sorry, time is of the essence for me and it seemed like I could get a quicker answer on here.
I know that we have several UFAs/RFAs. I also know that the cap is going up next season and that if this team wants to stick together, certain players are going to have to make the same as they made this year or close to it. I see no reason why Boyle/Pouliot/Moore should get more than what they've gotten this season; they've all played up to expectation and not above, IMO.
I would only trade Miller IF Stastny was signed. I'm not advocating trading him just to trade him, he has a ton of potential.
By your logic, we're going to have to be the 2010.5 Blackhawks that blew it up after winning the cup. I'm hoping that doesn't happen, but like you're saying, the numbers don't lie. Let's see how much the cap goes up next season
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Your cap estimate is a bit high. I think that really puts in perspective the fact that if we want to keep most of this team together, and actually be able to have a healthy scratch on the roster, we not only need to buy out Richards, but we can't add anyone else at the center position that's at all highly paid.
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I hope that Kreider deal is a 5 or 6 year contract if they are giving him $4 million/year.
Fitzy
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One potential concern is that with this playoff run a lot of the success that we've had could be attributed to depth and balance at the center ice position. Without Richards and Boyle, the injuries to Stepan and Brassard would have rendered our team borderline helpless.
Now, we're looking at a situation where they might both be gone next season.
Now, we're looking at a situation where they might both be gone next season.
Yeah, we basically got three options:
1. Keep BR, let Poo, Stralsy, Boyle and D Moore walk, and resign all other RFAs to the cheapest possible contract meaning that it will come back to haunt us real soon.
2. Buy out BR, sign most RFA and UFAs to decent contract and maybe let Boyle go, but we would have very little room.
3. Buy out BR, let Boyle and Stralsy walk, and have a little more room for long term contracts for our RFAs and some adjustment of the roster.
Dan Boyle has been talked about a lot, he is getting paid this summer. We have a hard time to fit him in.
If we want a bit of wiggle room, I don't think it's a half bad idea to let Stralsy walk and resign Diaz. Diaz helps on the PP after loosing BR. Diaz is underrated around here. Stralsy WILL get paid real good this summer.
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I agree, Ola, and will say that with what we have for prospects, I'm much more concerned about replacing Richards than Stralman.
I'm comfortable with Diaz, OK with Klein on the 2nd pairing, I think Allen and McIlrath will get shots soon. At the center position we have Miller, who I like but is a huge question mark, and Lindberg whose offensive potential is questionable. Our top 3 D is elite, Stepan and Brassard as a top 2 pivots is not.
I'm comfortable with Diaz, OK with Klein on the 2nd pairing, I think Allen and McIlrath will get shots soon. At the center position we have Miller, who I like but is a huge question mark, and Lindberg whose offensive potential is questionable. Our top 3 D is elite, Stepan and Brassard as a top 2 pivots is not.
I am usually not the most positive guy, but Kreids, Zucc and Brass are good fundamentally very sound young hockey players.
We KNOW the cap is going up.
Resigning these guys long term would definitely pay us back tremendously long term. Just like Staal and McDs last contracts. It will cost us extra next year, BUT it's worth it.
I think keeping Strålman should be a priority, he's been absolutely terrific and imo plays a bigger part in the 2nd pairing than most give him credit for. Often you hear that we have three fantastic d-men in McD, G and Staal but honestly I'd say Strålman is up in that group as well. Some statistics to back this statement up: http://www.mc79hockey.com/2014/05/anton-stralman-secret-star/
I really like how the D is flowing right now and don't want it messed up. Some say that he has rejected a 3x3 deal, but I don't think that the money is the issue. He has 4 kids or something so he probably wants the safety of a longer contract. I'd love to see him in a 4-5 year deal.
I really like how the D is flowing right now and don't want it messed up. Some say that he has rejected a 3x3 deal, but I don't think that the money is the issue. He has 4 kids or something so he probably wants the safety of a longer contract. I'd love to see him in a 4-5 year deal.
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If Stralman is willing to take a 4-6 year deal then it is feasible, but then we lost a spot for Diaz, which ends up being an issue because Diaz is the ONLY replacement for RIchards on the power play... Cannot keep Stralman and Richards simultaneously.
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Also, for cap purposes:
3/7 series in east went to 7
4/7 series in west went to 7
The remaining 5 series went 6 games, except MTL swept TBL and Boston beat DET in 5
Stanley cup should go to 6 games minimum -- Not to mention the fact that NYR and CHI have some of the highest USA ticket prices in the league
The most games you could have is 105 in the playoffs... This year, there have been 94 games (after factoring 6 for Stanley Cup Finals)...
The cap BETTER be $70M... there is so much parity right now, I don't want to hear it.
3/7 series in east went to 7
4/7 series in west went to 7
The remaining 5 series went 6 games, except MTL swept TBL and Boston beat DET in 5
Stanley cup should go to 6 games minimum -- Not to mention the fact that NYR and CHI have some of the highest USA ticket prices in the league
The most games you could have is 105 in the playoffs... This year, there have been 94 games (after factoring 6 for Stanley Cup Finals)...
The cap BETTER be $70M... there is so much parity right now, I don't want to hear it.
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I just can't see Stralman being a priority. They're in no position to overpay a second pair defenseman when Brassard, Zucacrello and Kreider are RFAs and Staal, Stepan and Hagelin are FAs after next season.
SingnBluesOnBroadway
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The only replacement for Brad Richards is a guy who can't even crack the lineup? And who doesn't have a contract for next season?
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it will be hard without further moves to give the keepers raises, and sign Kreider long term.
So, I am willing to move some of the otherwise keepers for a couple of high draft picks.
Yeah, I know they're picks.
They are HIGH picks. There is reasonably good expectation they will make it, and we would be rejuvenating esp as to salary cap.
1. Girardi, Hagelin, rights to Zucarello, Buchnevich, NYR 3rd for 2014,
for
FL 2014 1st (1OA) = Ekblad + FL 2nd for 2015 + reasonable deadwood for cap, count
2. Stepan, Pouilot, Dorsett, rights to Stralman + Kristo + Michael St. Croix
for
Calgary 1st + (4th OA) + deadwood + something that we all agree on (Cal 2015 2nd?)
Explain/Analysis:
The first one may not fly if Tallon 100% unconditionally wants a pick back, which we do not have [price of converting Callahan to Marty St. Louis]. However, other threads/posts explore that he is under pressure to win now, and what would be wanted are: top shutdown D to mentor young backliners (Girardi); Ws who can help w/offense (pref 2 way also good backcheckers) = Hagelin, fastest skater in league; and Zuc, who is very talented, great passer, shooter, solid skater. Throwing in Buch., a former 3rd who could have been taken earlier and could look good next to Barkov next year; and the earliest pick we have this year, NYR 3rd.
This would be a lot for Tallon to pass up, even for 1st OA
Rangers get a top guy who may not ever be Shea Weber 2.0, but on paper should be a foundation piece eventually next to McDonagh.
And taking back nominal deadwood is a def + for FL
On the second deal, Rangers again take a step backward to build for the future, hoping for a bigger pivot to reduce the gap with the NHL's elite Cs. Kristo + MSC are freebies I throw in (they have had some legit scoring history in the past). And Stralman, after getting first dibs, Calgary will have to pay him market rate.
Consider Stepan a lower third 1C, that is your main piece down. = someone immediately able to contribute.
The rest of these guys are righty. A recent Flames fan post suggested want of D + righty shooters
Pouilot, playing a lot of LW for us, is righty shot who has done nicely when pinch hitting at RW.
Add to this third liner a fourth line RW with grit. The RD and two prospects.
And taking back nominal deadwood is a def + for CAL
Brassard Drasatti Nash
Kreider Miller St. Louis
Yogan Lindberg Fast
Carcillo Boyle D. Moore
McD – Ekblad
Staal – Klein/McIlrath/Diaz
J. Moore - Klein/McIlrath/Diaz
w/connor Allen in the mix
can now sign Kreider, Marc Staal to long term deals.
Everything covered.
Yogan on last year of deal, hungry, not bad on lower 6.
Options to move people around.
Can develop J. Moore and deal him for upgrade as we get close to Skjei
flame on!
So, I am willing to move some of the otherwise keepers for a couple of high draft picks.
Yeah, I know they're picks.
They are HIGH picks. There is reasonably good expectation they will make it, and we would be rejuvenating esp as to salary cap.
1. Girardi, Hagelin, rights to Zucarello, Buchnevich, NYR 3rd for 2014,
for
FL 2014 1st (1OA) = Ekblad + FL 2nd for 2015 + reasonable deadwood for cap, count
2. Stepan, Pouilot, Dorsett, rights to Stralman + Kristo + Michael St. Croix
for
Calgary 1st + (4th OA) + deadwood + something that we all agree on (Cal 2015 2nd?)
Explain/Analysis:
The first one may not fly if Tallon 100% unconditionally wants a pick back, which we do not have [price of converting Callahan to Marty St. Louis]. However, other threads/posts explore that he is under pressure to win now, and what would be wanted are: top shutdown D to mentor young backliners (Girardi); Ws who can help w/offense (pref 2 way also good backcheckers) = Hagelin, fastest skater in league; and Zuc, who is very talented, great passer, shooter, solid skater. Throwing in Buch., a former 3rd who could have been taken earlier and could look good next to Barkov next year; and the earliest pick we have this year, NYR 3rd.
This would be a lot for Tallon to pass up, even for 1st OA
Rangers get a top guy who may not ever be Shea Weber 2.0, but on paper should be a foundation piece eventually next to McDonagh.
And taking back nominal deadwood is a def + for FL
On the second deal, Rangers again take a step backward to build for the future, hoping for a bigger pivot to reduce the gap with the NHL's elite Cs. Kristo + MSC are freebies I throw in (they have had some legit scoring history in the past). And Stralman, after getting first dibs, Calgary will have to pay him market rate.
Consider Stepan a lower third 1C, that is your main piece down. = someone immediately able to contribute.
The rest of these guys are righty. A recent Flames fan post suggested want of D + righty shooters
Pouilot, playing a lot of LW for us, is righty shot who has done nicely when pinch hitting at RW.
Add to this third liner a fourth line RW with grit. The RD and two prospects.
And taking back nominal deadwood is a def + for CAL
Brassard Drasatti Nash
Kreider Miller St. Louis
Yogan Lindberg Fast
Carcillo Boyle D. Moore
McD – Ekblad
Staal – Klein/McIlrath/Diaz
J. Moore - Klein/McIlrath/Diaz
w/connor Allen in the mix
can now sign Kreider, Marc Staal to long term deals.
Everything covered.
Yogan on last year of deal, hungry, not bad on lower 6.
Options to move people around.
Can develop J. Moore and deal him for upgrade as we get close to Skjei
flame on!
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