Speculation: Trade / Roster Speculation Thread XXXIV: Over the edge of being a little closer.

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

Call me crazy, but I'd almost rather keep Stralman at $4M per than re-sign Staal for an upwards of $6M. Especially considering that we'd likely be able to get quite a nice haul back in a trade for Staal.

 

[haohmaru]

Call me crazy, but I'd almost rather keep Stralman at $4M per than re-sign Staal for an upwards of $6M. Especially considering that we'd likely be able to get quite a nice haul back in a trade for Staal.

That's not crazy. Dunno what Staal would bring though. Maybe a mid 1st and a 3rd or something like that since he's got a year on his deal. Wouldn't be against it at this point.

 

[Fitzy]

Call me crazy, but I'd almost rather keep Stralman at $4M per than re-sign Staal for an upwards of $6M. Especially considering that we'd likely be able to get quite a nice haul back in a trade for Staal.

Staal has the whole captaincy, long tenure thing going for him.

NYR should, and probably will, get a pick from the Oilers for the rights to negotiate with Stralman prior to July 1st if they choose to not sign him.

 

[Hire Sather]

Why do you want to run the Rangers like the Florida Marlins?

 

[NoQuitInNewMexico]

Locking up Stralman and trading Staal would be pretty ruthless, but it would probably be my preferred course of action. I'm kind of taken in by the love the advanced stats guys have for Stralman - that if he's that good in that department, he could be a real steal for someone.

For Staal (and in general with any trades we make) I'd rather have a prospect than a pick, move the window of NHL readiness up a couple years.

 

[jniklast]

Call me crazy, but I'd almost rather keep Stralman at $4M per than re-sign Staal for an upwards of $6M. Especially considering that we'd likely be able to get quite a nice haul back in a trade for Staal.

I'd be hestitant to give Staal more than Girardi's deal. Maybe he can get an extra year since he'll be that one year younger than G when the deal starts, but at the same time G has been much more durable thus far.

I'm kind of with you on the matter, we cannot afford Staal at $6M+, so if there's no indication that he'd take some kind of a discount, we should explore trading him. Like you say, he'd net a sweet return. Problem is, that Strals has to be signed before real extension talks with Staal can take place. And also obviously Staal is one of the longest tenured player and he's homegrown, and you never like to trade someone like him.

 

[Matt4776]

This board is too much. Staal is probably our best defender for the first two rounds of the postseason. Everyone thinks he's going to be our captain and is our best defensive defenseman.

Has a bad series, then it's "I'd rather keep Stralman".

They are not mutually exclusive. I'll keep our future captain, thanks.

 

[SA16]

This board is too much. Staal is probably our best defender for the first two rounds of the postseason. Everyone thinks he's going to be our captain and is our best defensive defenseman.

Has a bad series, then it's "I'd rather keep Stralman".

They are not mutually exclusive. I'll keep our future captain, thanks.

What? The option of trading Staal and keeping Stralman has nothing to do with Staal having a bad series or anything. It just has to do with what might be the best way to maximize our assets. Either letting Stralman go for nothing or giving him that 4M or so and getting a good haul from Staal.

 

[LGRDunDunDunDunDa]

I think for the long term needs of this team we need a slight reshuffing of the deck. I think Staal is damaged goods and we should trade him while we can maybe get a 1st Rounder for him. You have to Compliance Richards only because he is on the books for too long.
This scenario allows for some under contract player raises as well.

Besides those under contract,
I'm Down with Cutting...
Richards (Buyout), Dorsett(trade/though I'd love to keep him), Staal(trade), Carcillo, Pouliot.

Keeping...
Brassard, Derick » $4.0M
Kreider, Chris » $1.9M
Zuccarello, Mats » $2.3M
Boyle, Brian » $2.4M
Moore, Dominic » $2.0M
Anton, Stralman $3.3M
Moore, John » $1.4M
Diaz, Raphael » $1.5M

Addition FA-depending on taking salary decrease and years
Looking for discipline and leadership
Brian Gionta (3yrs/12M-4Yr./15M)
Ales Hemsky(Same as Gionta Money)
Devin Setoguchi (less money probably 5+Yrs)


This would have signed 11 Forwards, 6 Defensemen and 2 Goalies.

Forwards...
Nash-Stepan-Kreider
Hagelin-Brassard-MSL
Zucc-Moore-FreeAgent
Boyle-Lindberg-Fast
Miller

Defense...
MCD-Girardi
Moore-Stralman
Falk-Klein
Diaz

P.S. I don't know if this lineup is Tough enough though? Depending might have to make a trade at deadline.

 

[Matt4776]

What? The option of trading Staal and keeping Stralman has nothing to do with Staal having a bad series or anything. It just has to do with what might be the best way to maximize our assets. Either letting Stralman go for nothing or giving him that 4M or so and getting a good haul from Staal.

Or we could keep both? The strength of this team is goaltending and defense. If we trade Staal, I wouldn't consider our defense anywhere near a strength.

McDonagh-Girardi
Moore-Stralman
Allen-Klein

That's a very average 2nd pairing and an average 3rd pairing.

Staal>Stralman AINEC. Staal+4th (for Stralman's rights)>>Stralman+1st or a good prospect.

Staal+Stralman>>>>Either of those options.

I'd much sooner let someone like Pouliot walk, trade Dorsett, or hell even trade Rick Nash than to trade Staal.

 

[Matt4776]

I think for the long term needs of this team we need a slight reshuffing of the deck. I think Staal is damaged goods and we should trade him while we can maybe get a 1st Rounder for him. You have to Compliance Richards only because he is on the books for too long.
This scenario allows for some under contract player raises as well.

Besides those under contract,
I'm Down with Cutting...
Richards (Buyout), Dorsett(trade/though I'd love to keep him), Staal(trade), Carcillo, Pouliot.

Keeping...
Brassard, Derick » $4.0M
Kreider, Chris » $1.9M
Zuccarello, Mats » $2.3M
Boyle, Brian » $2.4M
Moore, Dominic » $2.0M
Anton, Stralman $3.3M
Moore, John » $1.4M
Diaz, Raphael » $1.5M

Addition FA-depending on taking salary decrease and years
Looking for discipline and leadership
Brian Gionta (3yrs/12M-4Yr./15M)
Ales Hemsky(Same as Gionta Money)
Devin Setoguchi (less money probably 5+Yrs)


This would have signed 11 Forwards, 6 Defensemen and 2 Goalies.

Forwards...
Nash-Stepan-Kreider
Hagelin-Brassard-MSL
Zucc-Moore-FreeAgent
Boyle-Lindberg-Fast
Miller

Defense...
MCD-Girardi
Moore-Stralman
Falk-Klein
Diaz

P.S. I don't know if this lineup is Tough enough though? Depending might have to make a trade at deadline.

at Boyle getting more money than Zucc. With a 38 year old MSL, our window is now. We're not going to want a first round pick. We need an NHL ready prospect if we're trading "damaged goods" (aka our captain).

Hate all of your free agents as well. We should be very very quiet on the FA front this year.

 

[Hire Sather]

I love Stralman, but he might just cost too much.

I'm more concerned about Boyle and Moore. We finally have a great bottom 6, and I'm just worried they will cost too much to keep.

Boyle was very vocal on the FAN yesterday about staying. Everyone will say that but it sounded real sincere, so hopefully he is willing to sign without grinding every last dollar.

I've always been a Boyle guy, the things he brings aren't easy to replace.

 

[LGRDunDunDunDunDa]

at Boyle getting more money than Zucc. With a 38 year old MSL, our window is now. We're not going to want a first round pick. We need an NHL ready prospect if we're trading "damaged goods" (aka our captain).

Hate all of your free agents as well. We should be very very quiet on the FA front this year.

The FA is/are negotiable. If we let Richards go we need to at least match his output scoring wise. If we trade Staal(I just think we don't really want to resign him at probably 6+M for 6+Yrs) so he should be moved now or by Trade Deadline 2015.

I think Gionta(though he's a little small(but tough), would fill that
role player/Leader/specialty teams guy and has many intangibles
in the Lockeroom etc., that would allow you to bring 2 Rookies up to MSG.
or go with a younger underperformer(Hemsky/Setegouchi) who wants to be on a team that should be highly competitive for the next 5 years.
I would look to spend up to 4M cap hit for this Free Agent. We need someone who we can hope to score 19-26 Goals Probably.
I would "consider" Iginla for 2 years at 4M Per but am sceptical of his defense in AV system.
I could see us go for a Mikael Samuelsson for 2 Years if we feel like we might want to see how far our youngsters can come and what we are doing longer term with MSL, Nash and Hagelin.
If you can't get Stralman I like Matt Greene
In terms of Boyle I would lock him up for 4 or 5 Yrs at 2.2/2.4. He has many intangibles that don't show up on the score sheet.
And no discounting Zucc but think he will be 2.2/2.5 depending on the number of years. He has played Out of his head this season/Top 5 in all of NHL most improved. But would not lock him up for more than 4 years based solely on this one breakout season.

 

[CommaSynapse]

The FA is/are negotiable. If we let Richards go we need to at least match his output scoring wise. If we trade Staal(I just think we don't really want to resign him at probably 6+M for 6+Yrs) so he should be moved now or by Trade Deadline 2015.

I think Gionta(though he's a little small(but tough), would fill that
role player/Leader/specialty teams guy and has many intangibles
in the Lockeroom etc., that would allow you to bring 2 Rookies up to MSG.
or go with a younger underperformer(Hemsky/Setegouchi) who wants to be on a team that should be highly competitive for the next 5 years.
I would look to spend up to 4M cap hit for this Free Agent. We need someone who we can hope to score 19-26 Goals Probably.
I would "consider" Iginla for 2 years at 4M Per but am sceptical of his defense in AV system.
I could see us go for a Mikael Samuelsson for 2 Years if we feel like we might want to see how far our youngsters can come and what we are doing longer term with MSL, Nash and Hagelin.
If you can't get Stralman I like Matt Greene
In terms of Boyle I would lock him up for 4 or 5 Yrs at 2.2/2.4. He has many intangibles that don't show up on the score sheet.
And no discounting Zucc but think he will be 2.2/2.5 depending on the number of years. He has played Out of his head this season/Top 5 in all of NHL most improved. But would not lock him up for more than 4 years based solely on this one breakout season.

I think you're overpaying for Boyle and low-balling Zuccs. I see Zuccs in the 3-4 range, probably higher-end of that.

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

What? The option of trading Staal and keeping Stralman has nothing to do with Staal having a bad series or anything. It just has to do with what might be the best way to maximize our assets. Either letting Stralman go for nothing or giving him that 4M or so and getting a good haul from Staal.

Agreed, although I'd argue that this should be phrased more about managing the cap. The fact of the matter is that you're not going to be able to keep everyone around even if you amnesty Richards (and if Slats keeps Richards... oh boy). So, you need to look at the roster and make hard decisions. For example. Do you let something like Stralman, Boyle and Pouliot all walk? Or do you trade Staal, get assets in return and use the freed money to retain all/most of those players? Not that easy a decision...

 

[Leetch3]

Right, because this roster has no shot at making the finals.

pretty sure that was sarcasm based on the fact that we are in the finals and the thread discussing how we should get rid of everyone on the team is still one of the most active threads

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

If we let Richards go we need to at least match his output scoring wise. If we trade Staal(I just think we don't really want to resign him at probably 6+M for 6+Yrs) so he should be moved now or by Trade Deadline 2015.

I think Gionta(though he's a little small(but tough), would fill that
role player/Leader/specialty teams guy and has many intangibles
in the Lockeroom etc., that would allow you to bring 2 Rookies up to MSG.
or go with a younger underperformer(Hemsky/Setegouchi) who wants to be on a team that should be highly competitive for the next 5 years.
I would look to spend up to 4M cap hit for this Free Agent. We need someone who we can hope to score 19-26 Goals Probably.
I would "consider" Iginla for 2 years at 4M Per but am sceptical of his defense in AV system.
I could see us go for a Mikael Samuelsson for 2 Years if we feel like we might want to see how far our youngsters can come and what we are doing longer term with MSL, Nash and Hagelin.
If you can't get Stralman I like Matt Greene
In terms of Boyle I would lock him up for 4 or 5 Yrs at 2.2/2.4. He has many intangibles that don't show up on the score sheet.
And no discounting Zucc but think he will be 2.2/2.5 depending on the number of years. He has played Out of his head this season/Top 5 in all of NHL most improved. But would not lock him up for more than 4 years based solely on this one breakout season.

They will need to replace Richards' production. But that doesn't mean they need to run out and commit a good bit of money to one guy to do that.

I've been a bog fan of Gionta throughout his career but I don't think he has a lot left and isn't a great fit for this system.

Pass on both Hemsky and Setoguchi.

I can't see any scenario where they would want Samuelsson, let alone give hims a multi-year deal. He hasn't played a full season in years.

Probably can't afford Iginla at 4M.

Want no part of Matt Greene.

I also think they can replace Richards' production simply with what they already have. I don't think it's unreasonable to think the Rangers replace BR's production by expecting and getting more from the likes of Kreider, Stepan, Brassard, Nash, Hagelin, D. Moore, Boyle, and Dorsett (assuming everyone is back).

 

[Fitzy]

The question is; who is capable of playing between Hagelin and MSL, putting up 40 or so points at least, and playing good defense?

There is a chance that Miller, Lindberg, and Moore will be fighting for that spot.

Derek Roy could be affordable, but he's small and poor on faceoffs.
Grabo doesn't understand what NHL defense is.

We're probably going to have to look within, because the price on centers is so high. Maybe they trade for Vinny L with a lot of his salary retained.

 

[Cassano]

Staal for Pavelski, re-sign Stralman, buyout Brad and sign Markov/Timonen on short term deals.

Hopefully Skjei develops in AHL and is ready for the team by 2016.

 

[jniklast]

The question is; who is capable of playing between Hagelin and MSL, putting up 40 or so points at least, and playing good defense?

There is a chance that Miller, Lindberg, and Moore will be fighting for that spot.

Derek Roy could be affordable, but he's small and poor on faceoffs.
Grabo doesn't understand what NHL defense is.

We're probably going to have to look within, because the price on centers is so high. Maybe they trade for Vinny L with a lot of his salary retained.

I think Lindberg could be a very good option for that line. Good on defense and faceoffs, and he showed some offensive ability in the SEL. I'd definitely prefer him (or Miller) over signing Roy or Grabovski. If it neither can handle it, there'll be still the possibility to trade for someone.

 

[Frolov of Wraparound]

Picked this up off the Jets board.

https://twitter.com/WiebeSunSports/status/472499171623059456

Looks like Burmistrov's staying in the KHL next season. I'm not interested in him myself, but I know some people on here were.

 

[Fugazy]

The question is; who is capable of playing between Hagelin and MSL, putting up 40 or so points at least, and playing good defense?

There is a chance that Miller, Lindberg, and Moore will be fighting for that spot.

Derek Roy could be affordable, but he's small and poor on faceoffs.
Grabo doesn't understand what NHL defense is.

We're probably going to have to look within, because the price on centers is so high. Maybe they trade for Vinny L with a lot of his salary retained.

There's certainly nothing wrong with having a competition to bring out the best option for that spot on the team. And I certainly am leaning towards looking within for the roster spot for the sake of cap room.

 

[Mikos87]

Picked this up off the Jets board.

https://twitter.com/WiebeSunSports/status/472499171623059456

Looks like Burmistrov's staying in the KHL next season. I'm not interested in him myself, but I know some people on here were.

The money is too good and comes without a 33%+ tax rate, and the kid, while very skilled and fun to use in EA's NHL games, never produced enough offense in the NHL to get a decent contract. He's no different than Tikhonov, young talented, good enough to play in the NHL, but are better off in the KHL.

If Yakupov has another bad year, I wouldn't be surprised if he takes that route.

 

[Garfinkel1]

Dubinsky at the draft

I'm still a HUGE Dubinsky fan and anyone who watched the Jackets this year knows he's taken the next step in his game. He's no super star but he's unbelievably solid, a great board possession guy, fits well in the locker room and can wear out the other team's defense.

With a very favorable contract, what do you think it would take to get him? And, would you be willing to pay the price.

For some reason, I just think Dubi's game would mesh really well with Brass-Zucc.

If I had to throw something out, it would be J. Fast & a 3rd round pick. Columbus is starting to get competitive but it's still a few years away from being a team with a chance at the cup - Fast will most likely be a better player than Dubi and will develop in time for that run.

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

I'm still a HUGE Dubinsky fan and anyone who watched the Jackets this year knows he's taken the next step in his game. He's no super star but he's unbelievably solid, a great board possession guy, fits well in the locker room and can wear out the other team's defense.

With a very favorable contract, what do you think it would take to get him? And, would you be willing to pay the price.

For some reason, I just think Dubi's game would mesh really well with Brass-Zucc.

If I had to throw something out, it would be J. Fast & a 3rd round pick. Columbus is starting to get competitive but it's still a few years away from being a team with a chance at the cup - Fast will most likely be a better player than Dubi and will develop in time for that run.

Not sure the Rangers have what it would take to get Dubinksy. He's a pretty important part of the fabric of the BJs.

Fast and a 3rd doesn't even warrant a response from them. Nowhere near enough.