Speculation: Trade / Roster Speculation Thread XXXIII: Clever Title Pending

[NYR Viper]

And in goal, for that matter.

I like the look of your lineup out of consistency, and limited turnover. But I think Sather gets creative in the off-season after buying out Richie to fill that 2/3 C spot. I wish I could offer names, but I've got nothing.

I'd pay for a guy like ROR or Berglund (despite his limited skating, if we give him good wings he can be a force). I'd even prefer Ott on 3C over Miller, but I fear he'll be overpaid on the market. He was also not very appealing during his time in STL. A veteran guy though, and one who's been around the block.

I think they need to find a way to add a couple of guys willing to do some dirty work and get to the net.

This team is too easy to play against. Watch them tomorrow night, they turn away from delivering hits. It freaking kills me...

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

The reason the Brassard line is having so much success is because its getting favorable matchups -- dont think that'll be the case if we have to make Brassard the 2C.

It is amazing. Rick Nash, Brad Richards, Martin St. Louis and Derek Stepan have all managed to make Derick Brassard and Benoit Pouliot look consistent and engaged.

 

[silverfish]

All the moves that are bandied about here are just throwing darts in the dark. There's no organizational philosophy. Hasn't been since The Great Architect took over. This team has the same problems that the Tortorella teams had which had the same problems the Renney teams. So what (who?) has been the constant in that time?

Lundqvist?

 

[silverfish]

I think they need to find a way to add a couple of guys willing to do some dirty work and get to the net.

This team is too easy to play against. Watch them tomorrow night, they turn away from delivering hits. It freaking kills me...

That's a big reason why the Kreider injury is really, really bad. He's a huge guy come playoff time.

 

[NYR Viper]

It is amazing. Rick Nash, Brad Richards, Martin St. Louis and Derek Stepan have all managed to make Derick Brassard and Benoit Pouliot look consistent and engaged.

I was thinking that last night. Right now, who would you take, Pouliot @ 2.4 million (assuming that is about where he will come in) or Nash @ 7.8 million.

Nash
MSL
MZA

All (3) are natural RWers...

 

[NYR Viper]

That's a big reason why the Kreider injury is really, really bad. He's a huge guy come playoff time.

It's sad when one player has that large of an effect on a team when that player is making ~1.5 million.

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

Agreed about Kreider. It's most sad that he is the only option.

 

[NYR Viper]

Agreed about Kreider. It's most sad that he is the only option.

And here is the other thing. Who is coming up currently that plays that type of game? Miller? Maybe. Fast? Lindberg? No. Bourque? Duclair? St Croix?

How is it possible that this organization CAN NOT DRAFT guys who have size and can play on the 3rd/4th lines and drive to the net?

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

Stepan needs to be under house arrest with Gary Roberts this summer.

His conditioning leaves a ton to be desired and it is holding him back.

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

And here is the other thing. Who is coming up currently that plays that type of game? Miller? Maybe. Fast? Lindberg? No. Bourque? Duclair? St Croix?

How is it possible that this organization CAN NOT DRAFT guys who have size and can play on the 3rd/4th lines and drive to the net?

It's even harder when you don't have draft picks!

 

[RangerBoy]

The Rangers should look to move Zuccarello and Hagelin. People don't want to hear but both of them have value. Give to get. Favorable match ups for the third line. Zuccarello will be arbitration eligible and one year away from group III. He will be very expensive. How much for a player who lines up as a third line right winger? Having Nash line up as a left winger is stupid. The Rangers traded so much for him to have him play left wing. The same can be said for St. Louis. Hagelin is a tweener. He is better suited for a 3rd line role. Fast could replace what Hagelin brings.

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

Fast could replace what Hagelin brings.

He certainly drew a double minor just as well.

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

What needs to change is the Rangers top forwards need to be the ones with the best compete level. Right now they are not. And it's showing.

 

[Kakko]

It's even harder when you don't have draft picks!

So we should use our theoretical 1st round picks on bottom 6ers?

 

[NYR Viper]

The Rangers should look to move Zuccarello and Hagelin. People don't want to hear but both of them have value. Give to get. Favorable match ups for the third line. Zuccarello will be arbitration eligible and one year away from group III. He will be very expensive. How much for a player who lines up as a third line right winger? Having Nash line up as a left winger is stupid. The Rangers traded so much for him to have him play left wing. The same can be said for St. Louis. Hagelin is a tweener. He is better suited for a 3rd line role. Fast could replace what Hagelin brings.

I think the smarter play, at least right now, would be to trade Moore + Hagelin, re-sign Diaz as a stop-gap.

 

[NYR Viper]

What needs to change is the Rangers top forwards need to be the ones with the best compete level. Right now they are not. And it's showing.

Yep. The "leaders" up front aren't getting it done and there is no one who consistently grab the bull by the horns.

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

So we should use our theoretical 1st round picks on bottom 6ers?

Right now, I'd be thrilled if they used a first round pick on someone who could become a productive part of this team at any place in the lineup.

Or, wouldn't it be nice to have the depth where there was actually a bottom six full of talent because there is a top six full of better talent?

 

[silverfish]

Right now, I'd be thrilled if they used a first round pick who could become a productive part of this team at any place in the lineup.

Or, wouldn't it be nice to have the depth where there was actually a bottom six full of talent because there is a top six full of better talent?

Have we drafted anyone since the lockout in the first round outside of Staal ('05 draft on) that has become an integral part of the team?

05 - Staal
06 - Sanguinetti
07 - Cherepanov (RIP)
08 - Del Zotto
09 - Kreider
10 - McIlrath
11 - Miller
12 - Skjei
13 - __________

Kreider is slowly becoming that guy. Well, he was that guy 'til the injury. Book is still out on Miller and McIlrath. Skjei can be a top-2 pairing LHD if he pans out. Still, not even close to enough.

That makes me want to throw up, and doesn't make me miss the 1st rounders we've sent away for MSL

 

[Vitto79]

Have we drafted anyone since the lockout in the first round outside of Staal ('05 draft on) that has become an integral part of the team?

05 - Staal
06 - Sanguinetti
07 - Cherepanov (RIP)
08 - Del Zotto
09 - Kreider
10 - McIlrath
11 - Miller
12 - Skjei
13 - __________

Kreider is slowly becoming that guy. Well, he was that guy 'til the injury. Book is still out on Miller and McIlrath. Skjei can be a top-2 pairing LHD if he pans out. Still, not even close to enough.

That makes me want to throw up, and doesn't make me miss the 1st rounders we've sent away for MSL

Sanguinetti turned into fast . Dz to Klein .the others are still around except cherry if course and he likely would have made it

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

Have we drafted anyone since the lockout in the first round outside of Staal ('05 draft on) that has become an integral part of the team?

05 - Staal
06 - Sanguinetti
07 - Cherepanov (RIP)
08 - Del Zotto
09 - Kreider
10 - McIlrath
11 - Miller
12 - Skjei
13 - __________

Kreider is slowly becoming that guy. Well, he was that guy 'til the injury. Book is still out on Miller and McIlrath. Skjei can be a top-2 pairing LHD if he pans out. Still, not even close to enough.

That makes me want to throw up, and doesn't make me miss the 1st rounders we've sent away for MSL

I totally hear you it's not pretty. But the solution to me is to bring in a competent management team committed and capable of finding the Oshies, Zajacs, Bjugstads, and Coyles. Not to continue the cycle of jettisoning picks for declining talent that extends the "window" for another year. Add one piece (MSL) as the previous (Richards/Nash) are waning. Like Nash was brought in as Gabby was "waning". Never having a team with 3 prime talents because by the time players are acquired it is juuuust about too late. Window of production is juuuust long enough to inspire a little hope.

 

[silverfish]

I totally hear you it's not pretty. But the solution to me is to bring in a competent management team committed and capable of finding the Oshies, Zajacs, Bjugstads, and Coyles. Not to continue the cycle of jettisoning picks for declining talent that extends the "window" for another year. Add one piece (MSL) as the previous (Richards/Nash) are waning. Like Nash was brought in as Gabby was "waning". Never having a team with 3 prime talents because by the time players are acquired it is juuuust about too late. Window of production is juuuust long enough to inspire a little hope.

The thing is though, you can cherry-pick those types of players off of anyone's roster. Another fanbase can be saying we need to find the Stepans, McDonaghs, Zuccarellos, Girardis, Staals, Hanks, Hagelins, etc...

I'm not saying you're wrong, just playing devil's advocate to keep the conversation going

 

[bathgate]

Right now, I'd be thrilled if they used a first round pick who could become a productive part of this team at any place in the lineup.

Or, wouldn't it be nice to have the depth where there was actually a bottom six full of talent because there is a top six full of better talent?

Agreed and that is the issue. We traded depth and a 1st round pick for Nash. Understanding the need for depth, we trade Gabby for the depth replacements. Well, the trades hurt us because the depth traded does not equal the depth received. Further the loss of a 1st round pick plus a second and first for St. Louis further hurts our depth. I am very concerned this team will once again embark upon the "dark ages" of not qualifying for the playoffs. I see a downward spiral in the offing. My critics will argue otherwise but aside from our goalie and the big three defensemen I do not see much.

 

[silverfish]

For all intents and purposes, what are our true holes this off-season?

Richards is going to be bought out. I trust the Rangers front-office to do the right thing there. That opens up a hole at 2C.
Surely we could look to upgrade at LW in our top 6.
I like the way our third and fourth lines are set up. So that means bringing back Pouliot (one year deal, please). Brassard (that QO is tough). Zuccarello (hopefully a three year deal in the neighborhood of $3.5m per).

Hagelin should be trade bait, as I don't think he really fits in with AVs system, unfortunately. We could package Hagelin and a prospect/a guy like Diaz or Moore for a LW with size who can play in the dirty areas of the ice. With Nash, MSL, Zook down the right, that's some of the best RW depth in the league. C - pending fill in of hole at 2C and LW will be weak. Top 6 D looks good. Hank and Talbot are a top 5 duo in the league, mostly carried by Hank, a top 5 goalie in the league.

C and LW are our weaknesses moving forward. No one in the system capable of filling the holes at 2LW or 2C. We need to go out of organization to fill those spots it.

Stastny jumps off the page, but why buyout Richards to put that money into another long-term heavy contract? Pass.

Could Ryan O'Reilly be had for a package of Hagelin+Diaz/Moore+Prospect? Maybe, maybe not. His QO is through the roof, but a contract I'd be willing to hand out.

The Blues would look for a center in return for Berglund, I don't think the logic works out there.

2015 LW UFA names of interest that we could work a trade for this off-season?

Bobby Ryan (doubtful he'll be traded)
Dubinsky (I wish)
Nick Foligno (could definitely be targeted)
Carl Soderberg

EDIT - and before the "we need to blow it up and start over" bandwagon jumps on this post - you guys do realize that won't happen as long as Hank is here, right?

 

[Raspewtin]

The Rangers should look to move Zuccarello and Hagelin. People don't want to hear but both of them have value. Give to get. Favorable match ups for the third line. Zuccarello will be arbitration eligible and one year away from group III. He will be very expensive. How much for a player who lines up as a third line right winger? Having Nash line up as a left winger is stupid. The Rangers traded so much for him to have him play left wing. The same can be said for St. Louis. Hagelin is a tweener. He is better suited for a 3rd line role. Fast could replace what Hagelin brings.

RB your absolutely absurd agenda against Zucc is adorable.

Why would we trade a multi-dimensional top 6 RWer who is cost controlled? Why would we trade one of the only truly talented players on the team? To me it says you don't believe he will replicate his success from this season.

 

[Idlerlee]

The Rangers should look to move Zuccarello and Hagelin. People don't want to hear but both of them have value. Give to get. Favorable match ups for the third line. Zuccarello will be arbitration eligible and one year away from group III. He will be very expensive. How much for a player who lines up as a third line right winger? Having Nash line up as a left winger is stupid. The Rangers traded so much for him to have him play left wing. The same can be said for St. Louis. Hagelin is a tweener. He is better suited for a 3rd line role. Fast could replace what Hagelin brings.

How much for a winger that nets +60 points on the season ? I agree that Hagelin can be moved, he's been way too flaky this season to inspire much confidence. The point of a trade should be that you strengthen the team, who replaces Zucc ? Not anyone in Hartford, so who do we bring in ?