Speculation: Trade / Roster Speculation Thread XXXIII: Clever Title Pending
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You are wrong in both assessments as to
bernmeister
and
center depth.
More importantly, you need to learn, to actually bend, buckle and break, to the sad reality that unless we get more talent, we will not win.
I am willing to accept strategic holes in depth for overpayments on certain players.
Brassard = acceptable strategic alternative, esp if temporary
full time to Miller at C, even if he makes mistakes and must (as he will) learn from them = acceptable strategic alternative, esp if temporary.
Short of long term drafting, and other than swindles which cannot be reasonably expected, there is no other way to quickly make up the gap between us, a good competitive team that can be expected to go far, but never far enough, and the elite, which dominate at best at will and at worst when necessary.
NYR Viper
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If I'm the Rangers, I look to move a pick or prospects that Boston likes for Matt Fraser. He would be ideal for the 3rd line LW spot next season. Big, strong, likes to hit, has a very good shot. 23 years old.
He is going to be blocked by some of their older players on their NHL roster and some of their prospects like Spooner, Khok, Reilly (no longer a prospect), etc.
I should state his ceiling is most likely a Troy Brouwer or Bryan Bickell
He is going to be blocked by some of their older players on their NHL roster and some of their prospects like Spooner, Khok, Reilly (no longer a prospect), etc.
I should state his ceiling is most likely a Troy Brouwer or Bryan Bickell
TheTakedown
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Here's a basic roster with the core intact, raises handed out, Stralman gone, Diaz taking Stralman's place, Richards bought out, and Grabovski slotted in his place.
Now you have some options from that point:
a) Carl Hagelin and John Moore are clearly the weakest links of this team, so let's start by clearing some of them out, for a centerman.
b) if a centerman can't be acquired by trade, you keep Grabovski there
c) Free Agency is an option for wingers
Now you have some options from that point:
a) Carl Hagelin and John Moore are clearly the weakest links of this team, so let's start by clearing some of them out, for a centerman.
b) if a centerman can't be acquired by trade, you keep Grabovski there
c) Free Agency is an option for wingers
HatTrick Swayze
Just Be Nice
KirkAlbuquerque
#WeNeverGetAGoodCoach
I think we're ****ed for the forseeable future. We have no picks left to use for drafting or trading, Sather is not going to want to trade players like Nash for picks because we have to "win now" with Hank.
We have among the worst center lineup in the league and its only getting worse with Richards' buyout.
So Hank will get us to the playoffs every year but we aren't going to win **** or go through a proper rebuild until Hank retires or Sather retires/dies.
The end.
We have among the worst center lineup in the league and its only getting worse with Richards' buyout.
So Hank will get us to the playoffs every year but we aren't going to win **** or go through a proper rebuild until Hank retires or Sather retires/dies.
The end.
NYR Viper
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Here's another name that I would like to add next year. Leo Komarov. PKer, pain in the ass, likes to hit. Hard-nosed bottom-6er who is a UFA.
C/LW. He has the ability to provide some offense, not much. Maybe 15-20 points in a season in the NHL.
If this team is serious about going deep into the playoffs, they need guys who will get under the opposing teams skin AND be able to cause some physical pain. 7 games is a long series. You need players who will wear down the other team. Who on the Rangers wears anyone down?
C/LW. He has the ability to provide some offense, not much. Maybe 15-20 points in a season in the NHL.
If this team is serious about going deep into the playoffs, they need guys who will get under the opposing teams skin AND be able to cause some physical pain. 7 games is a long series. You need players who will wear down the other team. Who on the Rangers wears anyone down?
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If the Rangers are truly in "win now" mode, then they should stop hoarding prospects and move some of them. Guys like Miller, McIlrath, Kristo, Fast, Lindberg, etc, should all be "available" for an upgrade somewhere on the roster. They need a PPQB on the blue line. They need another center. They need a gritty winger to balance the lineup. That's a heck of a lot of holes to fill for a team who is trying to win sooner rather than later.
FoxysExpensiveNYDigs
Boo Nieves Truther
Beg to differ Bern, Brassard and Miller as #1/#2 centers would result in massive failure. That team would be lucky to win 25 games. I don't care who you get back in a trade, if it's not an upgrade at center this team is going nowhere.
Good points. Was really wondering why folks were so thrilled to keep these guys in the MSL trade.
If the idea is to win now, and you think these guys are developing really well (I dont, especially with McIlrath and Kristo, but thats another conversation), shouldn't the team be dangling these guys for guys that will help them for a couple of years in this "win now" window?
Rangers keep their firsts, and they may be ready by the time this win now window ends --- but the truth is that the win now window never ends with the Rangers.
Tawnos
A guy with a bass
Even teams in win-now mode need to keep an eye on the future in today's NHL. Especially with a organizational mandate to not be a basement team.
Yeah he's a very useful player. I doubt they move him since he was a piece of the Seguin deal, and one that can come in and contribute next year. I think they will trade Khoklachev and keep Spooner.
The only thing keeping Fraser from the big leagues is depth like you said, but Thornton will likely not be with Boston next year, and with Paille and Cambell having a lot of hard miles on their bodies, I think its basically a given that Fraser and Spooner see 30-40 games next year. Fraser fits the identity of Boston's wingers to a tee, so I highly doubt they move him unless its a real need.
The other guy to consider is Scott Sabourin. He's in LA's system, similar type of game big, strong, hard along the walls, and wears teams down. Very good along the walls, but won't dazzle anyone with highlight reel moves.
LA needs defensemen badly. I would look into a J.Moore+ for Sabourin and Weal.
I think this comes down to moving out 2 roster slots, and upgrading with kids to make a package deal. I do think you are right and that kids are available, but I think the organization needs to manage the cap as well, and that means moving out veterans, or guys that are due for raises and augmenting the line up with kids.
Right now I think the guys that are on the chopping block are Dorsett, and J.Moore as trade bait.
Fast and Miller are keepers for now since they can play in the NHL level.
McIlrath needs more reps, I think another 40-50 more pro games, and you have a good depth defenseman, and one that will work his way up the line up. He is still growing physically, but the biggest key for him is positional awareness and just timing. I don't know if he can play this system under AV as well as a Stralman and Klein in 1 year, and that's something to consider. But he brings something to the table the Rangers don't have, and that is a crease clearing defenseman.
Lindberg I like a lot, and think would replace the Brian Boyle role very well. A Marcus Kruger type of 4th liner. Speed, PK, Faceoffs, and a solid utility guy.
Conor Allen can replace J.Moore yesterday, but he has a high cap hit, and that sucks for Conor because he'd push Moore out of the line up if he came in at a sub $1M cap hit.
I'm not saying, or even implying, that they should jettison the entire prospect pool. However I do think that for a team who is allegedly in win-now mode, they're far too stingy with an average group of prospects.
Vinny DeAngelo
Jimmy Easy to defend
You guys are forgetting we have glen sather as our gm
The rules of slats
-picks for old pros
-failed prospects for failed prospects
-sign short "tough" guys
-trade depth for superstar, superstar fails trade for depth, (rinse and repeat)
-pay way to much for ufas but low ball homegrown players
-draft players with only 1 use
-build roster to win cup in 2005
-get all passers and no shooters
-all lefties, no righties
-make sure the team makes the playoffs but not any farther
-grab cigar, put in mouth, smile as fans cry for you to be fired
The rules of slats
-picks for old pros
-failed prospects for failed prospects
-sign short "tough" guys
-trade depth for superstar, superstar fails trade for depth, (rinse and repeat)
-pay way to much for ufas but low ball homegrown players
-draft players with only 1 use
-build roster to win cup in 2005
-get all passers and no shooters
-all lefties, no righties
-make sure the team makes the playoffs but not any farther
-grab cigar, put in mouth, smile as fans cry for you to be fired
BroadwayBlues
KK24
BroadwayBlues
KK24
Please. Are you watching the playoffs?
Vinny DeAngelo
Jimmy Easy to defend
UDnyr92
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Pieces I see this offseason being plenty available in trades, given AV's style and their results this season... Stepan and Hagelin. The way I see it, packaging those plus pick/prospect could bring back a solid piece I'd think.
Generally, though, I think this offseason will be somewhat active, now that AV knows what he has and what he wants. Esp with the anticipated Richards buyout, Stralman likely leaving, and other contract things. We'll see where things go.
Generally, though, I think this offseason will be somewhat active, now that AV knows what he has and what he wants. Esp with the anticipated Richards buyout, Stralman likely leaving, and other contract things. We'll see where things go.
in all seriousness what can we really do to improve this club. i honestly do not know where we are going to get our biggest weaknesses from. a legit center (not Statsny) and a PMD.
Vinny DeAngelo
Jimmy Easy to defend
we need high lvl propects. getting quality nhl players is to expensive via trade and ask for to much in contracts
I watched Fraser a lot when he was in the Star's system. His hockey IQ is questionable. Whether he can ever translate that sweet wrist shot to the NHL level is a big question. Worth a risk though if it's just a mid pick.
Inferno
Registered User
no serious threats from the point.
all good PP teams have that.
not sure what the answer to that is.
Byuf?
I have no answers to this offseason. No solutions really lay out there.
you have to buy out Richards though.
I know hes played well in the post season, but its not enough. Need more. Need to get faster. He's gotta go.
all good PP teams have that.
not sure what the answer to that is.
Byuf?
I have no answers to this offseason. No solutions really lay out there.
you have to buy out Richards though.
I know hes played well in the post season, but its not enough. Need more. Need to get faster. He's gotta go.
How often do you get the chance to acquire a player like Eric Lindros Scott Gomez Wade Redden Brad Richards Martin St. Louis Paul Stastny or Dan Boyle?
HatTrick Swayze
Just Be Nice
I'm sure they will trade for Patrick Marleau or Jeff Skinner or something and we will be back in business.
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