Speculation: Trade / Roster Speculation Thread XXXIII: Clever Title Pending

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Wouldn't even know where to start, to be honest. I'm still not sure with the way the Panthers are going if they are going to commit to a full rebuild, or if they're going to go for it with Bobby Lu back in the fold. They're a team only on the up. A guy like Bennet, Reinhart, or Ekblad has teh potential to be a franchise guy for them, so it's interesting to see that they're willing to deal.

I'd start with:

Hagelin
Miller
Allen/Hrivik
Our earliest 2014 pick (pending condition to Tampa Bay)

That gets laughed at on HF since firsts are wildly overrated, but it's a decent jumping off point for negotiations IMO.

Ah, the old 4 nickels for a dollar gambit. A tried and true favorite in the EA NHL series.

Things that would grab Florida's attention:

McDonagh
or
Stepan + Kreider + Nash

Things that won't:

Everything else
 
U guys are crazy to believe the rangers would trade stepan girardi or Nash

Depending on his play these playoffs I think the Rangers would entertain offers. However I doubt he waives his NTC.
 
Ah, the old 4 nickels for a dollar gambit. A tried and true favorite in the EA NHL series.

Things that would grab Florida's attention:

McDonagh
or
Stepan + Kreider + Nash

Things that won't:

Everything else

This is basically what i had posted originally in my first post before rewriting it..except take out Nash and put in like our 2 top prospects that will be ready to play
 
This is basically what i had posted originally in my first post before rewriting it..except take out Nash and put in like our 2 top prospects that will be ready to play

They don't want prospects, they want ready NHLers who will entice more than 2,000 people to come to their games.
 
They don't want prospects, they want ready NHLers who will entice more than 2,000 people to come to their games.

I live 45 mins away from bb&t center(where the panthers play) and honestly the panthers are a joke to everyone around here... No one wants to have a good team or cares if they do. Hockey just doesn't work in this area. They have to find a way to have it grow in the area before they work on the team. Season tickets are like $170 for the year in the cheap seats and they give u a jersey free. I heard on the radio a guy in Vancouver got season tickets for when he travels down for the winter just because it was so cheap compared to Canucks tickets
 
Forget trading for the 1st pick over all, I want this window to stay open for a few more years. Getting inexperienced youth isn't going to do it, its going to take some more firepower. Assuming Ricahrds is bought out, and Miller plays center.

This might be a pipe dream that doesn't work under the cap, and leaves the team weak on faceoffs, but I fully expect WPG to make a ton of moves as they don't really have any depth or a farm system that is going to produce. Their core players haven't gotten it done, and are about to see bumps in their salary, despite a lower cap hit. They are a team that desperately needs a 3rd line, a 4th line, youth with offensive upside, LD and cheap contracts.

How about J.Moore, Dorsett, Lindberg, Kristo, Hrivik, MSC and 2nd for Wheeler, Byfuglien? And put Byfuglien through a rigorous fitness regiment while letting him enjoy the fine and tasty health restaurants that NYC can offer.

Nash-Stepan-MSL
Kreider-Miller-Wheeler
Pouliot-Brassard-Zucc
Hagelin-Moore-Fast

McD-G
Staal-Buff
Allen-Klein

Hank
Cam
 
That's god awful for Winnipeg.

Wheeler is their best forward. They're not giving him for that relative scrap heap.
 
Nash is not a LW. He's just not.

Yes, we played some in Columbus. Yes, he plays some here.

He isn't a LW. He likes skating left and shooting left. He uses that long "reach" of his to put it the top corner of the left side of the net. He can't do that from the left side.

Nash, St. Louis, and Zuccarello are our top-9 RWers of the (relatively short-term) future. That's the one position on this team that is set.

We have Stepan as a long-term piece for sure. Brass is an unknown. I'd like to think they keep together the Poo-Brass-Zucc line, which means Brass should be a long-term piece as well. Same with Poo.

This leaves us with:

Kreider-Stepan-Nash
xx-xx-St. Louis
Pouliot-Brassard-Zuccarello
Boyle-Moore-Dorsett/Carcillo

To be perfectly honest, I'd be okay putting Hags on the first line with Step and Nash where he had success, and putting Kreider with St. Louis. I also understand the group that wants to trade Hags for an upgrade, however.

Basically, our biggest need is a top-6 center. At the very least, a top-6 tweener center.
 
Looking at it on CapGeek, I don't think signing Stastny is a realistic move if we want to keep most of this team together. Would at the very least have to ditch one of Moore/Boyle and trade Dorsett/Hagelin for cap space, and these are just ballpark, probably kind of low end salary projections.

FORWARDS
Rick Nash ($7.800m) / Paul Stastny ($7.100m) / Martin St. Louis ($5.625m)
Chris Kreider ($1.900m) / Derek Stepan ($3.075m) / J.T. Miller ($0.894m)
Benoit Pouliot ($2.000m) / Derick Brassard ($3.700m) / Mats Zuccarello ($4.250m)
Daniel Carcillo ($1.000m) / Dominic Moore ($1.500m) / Jesper Fast ($0.805m)
DEFENSEMEN
Dan Girardi ($5.500m) / Ryan McDonagh ($4.700m)
Marc Staal ($3.975m) / Anton Stralman ($3.750m)
John Moore ($1.500m) / Kevin Klein ($2.900m)
GOALTENDERS
Henrik Lundqvist ($8.500m)
Cameron Talbot ($0.563m)
BUYOUTS
Wade Redden ($0.000m)
Brad Richards ($0.000m)
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(estimations for 2014-15)
SALARY CAP: $71,100,000; CAP PAYROLL: $71,036,667; BONUSES: $445,000
CAP SPACE (20-man roster): $63,333
 
“Our system corrects for fluctuations in the Canadian dollar, because all of our computations are done in U.S. dollars. So if the Canadian comes down, as it has a little bit, then HRR, Hockey-Related Revenue, will be down, and the cap will be down. I’m not talking sizeable amounts of money, maybe a million or two.

“Well we’ve said, and these are rough, rough projections because we don’t have enough data yet, the guesstimate was around $71 million. With the Canadian dollar down, maybe it could be 69 or 70, in that range. But those are just rough estimates, nothing more than that at this point.â€

Read more at: http://nesn.com/2014/05/gary-bettman-talks-expansion-salary-cap-before-bruins-canadiens-game-2/

Bettman made those comments before the Boston game yesterday.
 
Stepan+

Draft Reinhart Sign Stastny

Kreider-Reinhart-Nash
****** Stastny-St.Loius
Pouliot-Brassard-Zuccarello


This isn't happening though. Just a thought.

Why the hell would we trade Stepan for a player that's not an upgrade?

McDonagh and Stepan are off limits in almost any trade, to me.
 
I would like to bring Pouliot back but idk if he is worth $2-3M on a long term deal. This season was his "break out season" and he scored 36 points.

$3.5-3.7M is about right for Brassard. Slightly off his career average of .578PPG @ .556PPG. At this point he absolutely "is what he is." Can anchor a scoring line decently well. Moveover it's gonna be tough/impossible to replace his production elsewhere via trade or FA for the same money.

Still would like to see an all around defensive C brought in if Richards is bought out. Obviously it would cost too much but Jordan Staal is the type of player I'd want a 3rd line built around. Match up against the Crosby's of the league and actually be able to contribute offensively / play more than 10min a game. Can Berglund be had? Dubinsky would be a good fit, not to open that can of worms. That type of player. Stepan + Brass running offensive lines, 3rd line defensive C for matchups and Boyle/Moore on 4th line for 10 min a night of energy + PK. I'm sure the hope is Miller could be that guy. I absolutely still believe in his potential. But it would be nice to not have to bank on it. Lindberg with the potential as well.
 
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Berglund is the same problems at center. Awful skater, not very creative. I'd rather develop Lindberg. Jordan Staal will be too expensive, but I'd love him on this team.
 
I'd like to bring in Vrbata. Does anyone know if he can play LW as well as RW?

If we could do that our wings would look like:
LW: Nash/Kreider/Pouliot/(Hagelin/Dorsett)
RW: MSL/MZA/Vrbata/(Hagelin/Dorsett)

The issue is we seem to have too many wings since I don't see a way out of getting Hagelin on the 4th line. Perhaps this idea will not work out. Suppose we could look to swap Hagelin+ for a Center to replace Richards.

I had also looked into Legwand and I completely disagree with that move. Our centers (Stepan/Brassard) are already awful on faceoffs. If we bring in Legwand (.462 career ~.500 the last 3) our top 3 centers will be absolutely dreadful on faceoffs. And I don't think he's good enough elsewhere to make up for that. I'd prefer Grabovski.

What about trying to make a trade for Vermette? Solid ~45ish point center who is great on faceoffs. Could be perfect for the third line.
 
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I would like to bring Pouliot back but idk if he is worth $2-3M on a long term deal. This season was his "break out season" and he scored 36 points.

No it wasn't. Pouliot was essentially the player that he was last year and the year before and the year before that. People just stopped expecting him to be a top-6 guy.
 
I would like to bring Pouliot back but idk if he is worth $2-3M on a long term deal. This season was his "break out season" and he scored 36 points.

$3.5-3.7M is about right for Brassard. Slightly off his career average of .578PPG @ .556PPG. At this point he absolutely "is what he is." Can anchor a scoring line decently well. Moveover it's gonna be tough/impossible to replace his production elsewhere via trade or FA for the same money.

Still would like to see an all around defensive C brought in if Richards is bought out. Obviously it would cost too much but Jordan Staal is the type of player I'd want a 3rd line built around. Match up against the Crosby's of the league and actually be able to contribute offensively / play more than 10min a game. Can Berglund be had? Dubinsky would be a good fit, not to open that can of worms. That type of player. Stepan + Brass running offensive lines, 3rd line defensive C for matchups and Boyle/Moore on 4th line for 10 min a night of energy + PK. I'm sure the hope is Miller could be that guy. I absolutely still believe in his potential. But it would be nice to not have to bank on it. Lindberg with the potential as well.

I think Miller could be an upgrade over Brassard on the 3rd line. Cheaper, likely will be able to have similar offensive production with Zuccarello on his line. Brassard was not playing the way he was playing until Zucc became a part of that line. 45-50 points would be right where I expect Miller in an 82 game season with Zuccarello on his line.

Brassard won face-offs at a 48% rate throughout the season. Richards 49%. Stepan 45%. That's abysmal.

I understand that Stastny might not be the best answer, but he won face-offs at a 54% rate this year. He is as offensively as gifted as Richards is at this stage of his career, and he led the playoffs in scoring for the first round.

A big part of our powerplay problems is that we can't win a ****ing face-off. Stastny would help with that, and he has natural offensive ability, too. I think it would be easier to put a player like Nash or MSL on his line than with Richards, and hope for success.

Miller won face-offs at a rate of 51% this year. The sample size was small, but he is more dominant than Brassard on draws. And if we consider Brassard's contract, he's an absolute upgrade, 3 million dollars cheaper than Brassard is now.

Stastny upgrades our 2c. Miller should slightly upgrade our 3c, too (and over time may even surpass Brassard's value to the team by a significant amount).

I'd try and trade Brassard and something else for a powerpoint shot, defenseman. I'm assuming Diaz can adequately take up the 2nd line minutes with Staal next year, without much drop off from Stralman.

Moore's spot is in jeopardy, playing the way he has.

Brassard, J. Moore, someone like Hagelin - should all be pieces that yield a powerplay bomb shot.
 
stastny is just going to cost too much. he had a great first round of the playoffs and that probably adds a year on to the deal or raises the AAV 500k or so. hes 28 so a 7 year deal brings him to 35-36 years old. i dont think the rangers will offer 7 years 50m+ but some team definitely will.
 
what type of center would a hagelin + kristo/fast/lindberg offer get us? there isnt a C to be had on the FA market. hagelin is probably our best asset that we can afford to give up to upgrade at C.
 
I think basement bargain hunting for a 2C/3C is the only real alternative...

Someone like Derek Roy fits the bill... Stepan should stay the #1C and mature into that role. We know he's capable of it
 
You could make an offer for Jordan Staal with Carolina retaining salary.
 
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