Speculation: Trade / Roster Speculation Thread XXXIII: Clever Title Pending

[NYR Viper]

If I'm Sather, here are my steps for the off-season:

1) Buy-out Richards
2) Make Nash waive his NMC, return assets
3) re-sign Brassard, MZA, D. Moore, J. Moore, Carcillo, Diaz, Stralman
4) Trade Hagelin + J. Moore + prospect for big bodied LWer
5) Sign Leo Komarov
6) Sign Thomas Vanek + Radim Vrbata

Vanek-Stepan-St Louis
LWer acquired-Brassard-MZA
Kreider-Miller/Lindberg-Vrbata
Komarov-Moore-Dorsett
Carcillo

McDonagh-Girardi
Staal-Stralman
Allen/Diaz-Klein
Allen/Diaz

I refuse to work today, and yes, I realize none of this is going to happen.

 

[bernmeister]

Beg to differ Bern, Brassard and Miller as #1/#2 centers would result in massive failure. That team would be lucky to win 25 games. I don't care who you get back in a trade, if it's not an upgrade at center this team is going nowhere.

Acknowledged, we have a fundamental difference of opinion.
PS -- just one indication proving I am right, when Stepan was out w/injury, and Brassard had to hold the fort, he did fine. He may just be wired to work better w/o a guy over his shoulder threatening his job/minutes, as opposed to others who thrive on pressure. Doesn't matter, point is he was acceptably adequate at min, NOT a fail.

Again, we need to take an intelligent chance and trade a couple of guys, not for the sake of change, but for specific purpose of getting overpayment. Likely to be some of that overpayment in potential than more immediate actual ability, but the more in potential, the greater the level of potential provided --- much more than actual, which commands less overpayment, 'cause actual is established and less risk.

We MUST deal a couple of guys ONLY if we get overpayment, but we can't wimp out if a good deal is on the table, and say, o, we can't do this because then our balance here or there is screwed.

WE NEED MORE HORSES.
END OF STORY.

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

It's probably one of those mysteries that will never be solved, but I have a few of my own theories.

(1) Players are coming here for the wrong reasons - big money, living in the city, being close to family, etc. Winning a cup in NY isn't their primary focus. And it doesn't help that these players are often nearing the end of their prime years or past their prime.

(2) There's something different about a bunch of players who are coming up together through the system and forging a bond rather than a bunch of individuals who are coming here from other teams. The players from within the organization develop chemistry and camaraderie over time while the outsiders need time to adjust and acclimate to their teammates. It seems like the roster is always in flux which isn't an ideal environment for anyone.

(3) The players simply don't fit in with the way the roster is constructed - they may be a redundant piece or don't adequately fulfill the need they were sought to address. Sather is looking for the best players, not the right players.

Spot on is pretty much all I have to say. I do believe that 1&2 can be overcome of #3 is well adhered to.

 

[Raspewtin]

It's probably one of those mysteries that will never be solved, but I have a few of my own theories.

(1) Players are coming here for the wrong reasons - big money, living in the city, being close to family, etc. Winning a cup in NY isn't their primary focus. And it doesn't help that these players are often nearing the end of their prime years or past their prime.

(2) There's something different about a bunch of players who are coming up together through the system and forging a bond rather than a bunch of individuals who are coming here from other teams. The players from within the organization develop chemistry and camaraderie over time while the outsiders need time to adjust and acclimate to their teammates. It seems like the roster is always in flux which isn't an ideal environment for anyone.

(3) The players simply don't fit in with the way the roster is constructed - they may be a redundant piece or don't adequately fulfill the need they were sought to address. Sather is looking for the best players, not the right players.

Awesome post.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

It's probably one of those mysteries that will never be solved, but I have a few of my own theories.

(1) Players are coming here for the wrong reasons - big money, living in the city, being close to family, etc. Winning a cup in NY isn't their primary focus. And it doesn't help that these players are often nearing the end of their prime years or past their prime.

(2) There's something different about a bunch of players who are coming up together through the system and forging a bond rather than a bunch of individuals who are coming here from other teams. The players from within the organization develop chemistry and camaraderie over time while the outsiders need time to adjust and acclimate to their teammates. It seems like the roster is always in flux which isn't an ideal environment for anyone.

(3) The players simply don't fit in with the way the roster is constructed - they may be a redundant piece or don't adequately fulfill the need they were sought to address. Sather is looking for the best players, not the right players.

Well said. I am in agreement.

But do you have the Corsi/Fenwick #'s to back this up????

 

[Raspewtin]

If I'm Sather, here are my steps for the off-season:

1) Buy-out Richards
2) Make Nash waive his NMC, return assets
3) re-sign Brassard, MZA, D. Moore, J. Moore, Carcillo, Diaz, Stralman
4) Trade Hagelin + J. Moore + prospect for big bodied LWer
5) Sign Leo Komarov
6) Sign Thomas Vanek + Radim Vrbata

Vanek-Stepan-St Louis
LWer acquired-Brassard-MZA
Kreider-Miller/Lindberg-Vrbata
Komarov-Moore-Dorsett
Carcillo

McDonagh-Girardi
Staal-Stralman
Allen/Diaz-Klein
Allen/Diaz

I refuse to work today, and yes, I realize none of this is going to happen.

Probably a reach, but what about Bryan Bickell?

 

[NYR Viper]

Probably a reach, but what about Bryan Bickell?

I am hoping that if they trade for someone, that someone is better than Bryan Bickell

 

[Minkus]

I am hoping that if they trade for someone, that someone is better than Bryan Bickell

At least he's a playoff performer. Granted he's got amazing line-mates. He is a big, physical, net-front presence though.

 

[Raspewtin]

I am hoping that if they trade for someone, that someone is better than Bryan Bickell

In terms of a physical top 9 player that drives the net, you won't get much better. Realistically available at least.

It's just a rare type of player.

As long as he's good on the boards, crashes the net, likes to muck it up, and has some kind of scoring touch, why not?

 

[Minkus]

In terms of a physical top 9 player that drives the net, you won't get much better. Realistically available at least.

It's just a rare type of player.

As long as he's good on the boards, crashes the net, likes to muck it up, and has some kind of scoring touch, why not?

Kreider
Bickell
Pouliot
Carcillo?

That LW depth would certainly make us look a little grittier.
I like Bickell, I think he's sort of underrated. Not too impressive in the regular season but really cranks up his game in the postseason. He's a PPG player so far, 5 goals and 3 assists in 8 games. Again, that's playing with the likes of Toews and Kane and so on.

 

[Raspewtin]

Kreider
Bickell
Pouliot
Carcillo?

That LW depth would certainly make us look a little grittier.
I like Bickell, I think he's sort of underrated. Not too impressive in the regular season but really cranks up his game in the postseason. He's a PPG player so far, 5 goals and 3 assists in 8 games. Again, that's playing with the likes of Toews and Kane and so on.

That's eh LW depth. I'd rather Bickell on the third line, if possible.

 

[Minkus]

That's eh LW depth. I'd rather Bickell on the third line, if possible.

Same, I just meant we'd have a physical presence on every line at least. Probably couldn't complain about being too small and soft. I'd still rather score goals though.

 

[Vinny DeAngelo]

we need our left wingers to be tougher guys like kreider and bickel.. look at our right wingers
Nash
MSL
MZA
besides Zuccarello theyre very soft players...
add that to the fact that 2/3 of those guys are smurfs
nash might as well be 4,11" with the way he plays

 

[Let Blaine Die]

ROR wasn't a boat I'd have gone on.

Sherman wanted too much. Didn't he want Del Zotto + Stepan + 1st?

In retrospect I would have gladly dealt Del Zotto and Stepan for O'Reilly, but a 1st in addition is too much.

 

[Raspewtin]

In retrospect I would have gladly dealt Del Zotto and Stepan for O'Reilly, but a 1st in addition is too much.

I don't think the gap between Stepan and O'Reilly is that big to warrant adding DZ.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

I don't think the gap between Stepan and O'Reilly is that big to warrant adding DZ.

Me neither.

The one constant on Glen Sather GM'ed teams are players slotted above their heads in the lineup. Stepan is a perfect example - hes a 2C being asked to play 1C.

 

[Vinny DeAngelo]

I would like stepan if he put on 20 lbs of muscle and was in better shape and played more physical but for now I'm ok with him... He disappears to often

 

[RangerGuru]

Got a question for you guys…

If that "handshake" business with Stamkos actually went through…. Would we have a cup right now since the supposed deal?

http://nypost.com/2010/04/04/rangers-had-done-deal-for-stamkos/

 

[Vinny DeAngelo]

Got a question for you guys…

If that "handshake" business with Stamkos actually went through…. Would we have a cup right now since the supposed deal?

Idk wat ur talking about

 

[RangerGuru]

Idk wat ur talking about

edited in a link

 

[Miz]

Got a question for you guys…

If that "handshake" business with Stamkos actually went through…. Would we have a cup right now since the supposed deal?

http://nypost.com/2010/04/04/rangers-had-done-deal-for-stamkos/

I'm pretty sure that was an April fool's joke, but to answer your question...No, I do not think we would have a cup right now

 

[richardsequalscup*]

I'd rather trade Nash for a 1st, top prospect, cut Richards and sign Stastny at this point. Move Stepan to the third center position until the dope figures out how to play like a man in the playoffs. Say Nash for Etem and a 1st to the Ducks who will clean house after losing to the Kings. Let McIlrath protect the team with a platoon of Allen giving players on our D a rest when they need it. Keep Allen until you see how Staal holds up during the year. I really appreciate D. Moore but I've been eyeing that Swede line for months now. To me, that is a better team by far than what we have now.

Kreider-Stastny-St. Louis
Pouliot-Brassard-Zucc
Etem-Stepan-Miller
Hagelin-Lindberg-Fast

McDonagh-Girardi
Staal-Klein
Moore-McIlrath/Allen

 

[Minkus]

I'd rather trade Nash for a 1st, top prospect, cut Richards and sign Stastny at this point. Move Stepan to the third center position until the dope figures out how to play like a man in the playoffs. Say Nash for Etem and a 1st to the Ducks who will clean house after losing to the Kings. Let McIlrath protect the team with a platoon of Allen giving players on our D a rest when they need it. Keep Allen until you see how Staal holds up during the year. I really appreciate D. Moore but I've been eyeing that Swede line for months now. To me, that is a better team by far than what we have now.

Kreider-Stastny-St. Louis
Pouliot-Brassard-Zucc
Etem-Stepan-Miller
Hagelin-Lindberg-Fast

McDonagh-Girardi
Staal-Klein
Moore-McIlrath/Allen

Nash-Getzlaf-Perry. Might be hard to pass that up. Only I'm not sure what that cap hit would look like, we'd likely have to retain some. I like Etem a lot but he's their poster boy for California-grown hockey, I'd think you'd have an easier time getting Devante Smith-Pelly and a 1st.

 

[Vinny DeAngelo]

I'd rather trade Nash for a 1st, top prospect, cut Richards and sign Stastny at this point. Move Stepan to the third center position until the dope figures out how to play like a man in the playoffs. Say Nash for Etem and a 1st to the Ducks who will clean house after losing to the Kings. Let McIlrath protect the team with a platoon of Allen giving players on our D a rest when they need it. Keep Allen until you see how Staal holds up during the year. I really appreciate D. Moore but I've been eyeing that Swede line for months now. To me, that is a better team by far than what we have now.

Kreider-Stastny-St. Louis
Pouliot-Brassard-Zucc
Etem-Stepan-Miller
Hagelin-Lindberg-Fast

McDonagh-Girardi
Staal-Klein
Moore-McIlrath/Allen

I like this... A lot and that's why it won't happen... Makes way to much sense

 

[CommaSynapse]

Pretty bored, so just going through capgeek and giving the team a face lift via FA and trade. Wanted guys who can play with some get-up and some grit.


Kreider - Stastny - MSL
Moulson - Stepan - MZA
Jamie McGinn - Perreault - Silfverberg
Carcillo - Moore - Boyle


Kreider and MSL are paired with a center who can make plays as well as not being a slouch on scoring himself.

Moulson pairs Step and MZA with a guy who can finish. MZA is pretty good defensively and can has nice hands himself. Line is pretty soft though, so I'd prefer trading for a buy like Bryan Little.

McGinn adds some grit. I've liked Perreault for a while. Silfverberg is an impressive young player.

Carcillo, Boyle, and Moore keeps together a good 4th line. Carcillo has been pretty good when he plays.


McDonagh - Girardi
Staal - Boyle
Moore - Klein
Diaz

Pretty much goes without saying. McD and G are our top pairing. I don't think that changes. We need a right-handed shot, and that's what it comes down to. Not sure what we can get. Boyle looks like the best available right now unless we want to try a guy like Yannick Weber. I like Diaz--he has a good shot.

For this to work, Boyle would need a cap hit around 4 million...not sure it'd happen.

So what did I do? Moulson, Boyle come from FA. Resign Diaz as the 7th d-man.

Trade Nash and Hags for Perreault and Silfverberg (++).
Trade rights for Brass for rights to McGinn

I wanted to trade Step and Hags for the Anaheim deal, but I had trouble finding a trade around Nash for a solid #2 C. I was considering a guy like Bryan Little +.

I'd consider Step for Little, but Winnipeg would need to retain.


So, if that all worked out

Kreider - Stastny - MSL
Moulson - Little - MZA
McGinn - Perreault - Silfverberg
Carcillo - Moore - Boyle

McD - G
Staal - Boyle
Moore - Klein
Diaz


This upcoming season would be extremely tight on cap, but once MSL is out, move MZA and Silfverberg on up, bring up Miller/Fast for the 3rd line.