Speculation: Trade / Roster Speculation Thread XXXIII: Clever Title Pending

[Vinny DeAngelo]

Pretty bored, so just going through capgeek and giving the team a face lift via FA and trade. Wanted guys who can play with some get-up and some grit.


Kreider - Stastny - MSL
Moulson - Stepan - MZA
Jamie McGinn - Perreault - Silfverberg
Carcillo - Moore - Boyle


Kreider and MSL are paired with a center who can make plays as well as not being a slouch on scoring himself.

Moulson pairs Step and MZA with a guy who can finish. MZA is pretty good defensively and can has nice hands himself. Line is pretty soft though, so I'd prefer trading for a buy like Bryan Little.

McGinn adds some grit. I've liked Perreault for a while. Silfverberg is an impressive young player.

Carcillo, Boyle, and Moore keeps together a good 4th line. Carcillo has been pretty good when he plays.


McDonagh - Girardi
Staal - Boyle
Moore - Klein
Diaz

Pretty much goes without saying. McD and G are our top pairing. I don't think that changes. We need a right-handed shot, and that's what it comes down to. Not sure what we can get. Boyle looks like the best available right now unless we want to try a guy like Yannick Weber. I like Diaz--he has a good shot.

For this to work, Boyle would need a cap hit around 4 million...not sure it'd happen.

So what did I do? Moulson, Boyle come from FA. Resign Diaz as the 7th d-man.

Trade Nash and Hags for Perreault and Silfverberg (++).
Trade rights for Brass for rights to McGinn

I wanted to trade Step and Hags for the Anaheim deal, but I had trouble finding a trade around Nash for a solid #2 C. I was considering a guy like Bryan Little +.

I'd consider Step for Little, but Winnipeg would need to retain.


So, if that all worked out

Kreider - Stastny - MSL
Moulson - Little - MZA
McGinn - Perreault - Silfverberg
Carcillo - Moore - Boyle

McD - G
Staal - Boyle
Moore - Klein
Diaz


This upcoming season would be extremely tight on cap, but once MSL is out, move MZA and Silfverberg on up, bring up Miller/Fast for the 3rd line.

What happens with brassard and pouliot? A lot of ppl have us resigning them... I'm fine either way I think MZA is the guy that makes tht line work

 

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What happens with brassard and pouliot? A lot of ppl have us resigning them... I'm fine either way I think MZA is the guy that makes tht line work

Exactly, and I think without MZA, both Brassard and Pouliot would have worse numbers.

Rights for Brass for rights to McGinn. If we sign Stastny, it takes away a C for Colorado. Brass gives them a center to slot in behind Mac, and Duchene at a reasonable cap hit.

Pouliot - I figure just let go. He has been good for us at times, but he can be undisciplined, too. If we get McGinn, I don't see Pouliot being an effective second line player. Maybe I'm wrong. I think I'd rather have the scoring of a guy like Moulson on the second line, but I wish he was a bit more physical.

I would keep him if we had a spot.

 

[Vinny DeAngelo]

Exactly, and I think without MZA, both Brassard and Pouliot would have worse numbers.

Rights for Brass for rights to McGinn. If we sign Stastny, it takes away a C for Colorado. Brass gives them a center to slot in behind Mac, and Duchene at a reasonable cap hit.

Pouliot - I figure just let go. He has been good for us at times, but he can be undisciplined, too. If we get McGinn, I don't see Pouliot being an effective second line player. Maybe I'm wrong. I think I'd rather have the scoring of a guy like Moulson on the second line, but I wish he was a bit more physical.

I would keep him if we had a spot.

According to ur situation wat contracts are stasny and moulson taking?

 

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What happens with brassard and pouliot? A lot of ppl have us resigning them... I'm fine either way I think MZA is the guy that makes tht line work

According to ur situation wat contracts are stasny and moulson taking?

I had shut the window off now, but I had Stastny around $6.8 or 7. It's a lot, yeah, but the cap will be going up over the life of the contract, and he's 28 year old. 35 when the deal expires, so not too bad.

I think I had Moulson around $3.5, though I suspect he'll get a fortune on the open market, so we can probably x that one off and stick Pouliot there for now.

 

[Vinny DeAngelo]

I had shut the window off now, but I had Stastny around $6.8 or 7. It's a lot, yeah, but the cap will be going up over the life of the contract, and he's 28 year old. 35 when the deal expires, so not too bad.

I think I had Moulson around $3.5, though I suspect he'll get a fortune on the open market, so we can probably x that one off and stick Pouliot there for now.

I like ur team but I'd rather have Connor Allen in than Moore I felt Allen played better in his time up with the rangers... Mcilrath should be up in the next yr for at least 10 games but I feel like him stepping up at the blue line is part of what our defense is missing... No one else seems to do it

 

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I like ur team but I'd rather have Connor Allen in than Moore I felt Allen played better in his time up with the rangers... Mcilrath should be up in the next yr for at least 10 games but I feel like him stepping up at the blue line is part of what our defense is missing... No one else seems to do it

I agree. I think we need a real RH PMD and a guy to clear the crease, but I'm not sure if McIlrath is entirely ready. If you'd rather have him, drop Klein for a pick/prospect and use him there. Drop Moore for a pick/similar FWD prospect and stick Allen in. Deal with the growing pains. If it's anywhere in the realm of possibility, I'd definitely offer Niskanen a contract.

McD - G
Staal - RH PMD (Boyle? Niskanen?
Allen - McIlrath

It sucks that we seemed to have had a strong PMD in DZ and a solid guy in Sauer before the wheels fell off. Had they both panned out, we would have one of the most complete d-corps in the NHL.

I think my team has an unrealistic amount of turnover, but I think it would go a long way in creating a team that possesses enough physicality and a large enough motor to compete with some of the teams in the West. Ideally, it would go as I planned, and we'd trade the high-end guys for picks and the players I selected. That way, we have a capable team that brings a solid game and a re-stocked pool of prospects.

The Rangers haven't had true balance in a number of years.

 

[ReggieDunlop68]

Pretty bored, so just going through capgeek and giving the team a face lift via FA and trade. Wanted guys who can play with some get-up and some grit.


Kreider - Stastny - MSL
Moulson - Stepan - MZA
Jamie McGinn - Perreault - Silfverberg
Carcillo - Moore - Boyle


Kreider and MSL are paired with a center who can make plays as well as not being a slouch on scoring himself.

Moulson pairs Step and MZA with a guy who can finish. MZA is pretty good defensively and can has nice hands himself. Line is pretty soft though, so I'd prefer trading for a buy like Bryan Little.

McGinn adds some grit. I've liked Perreault for a while. Silfverberg is an impressive young player.

Carcillo, Boyle, and Moore keeps together a good 4th line. Carcillo has been pretty good when he plays.


McDonagh - Girardi
Staal - Boyle
Moore - Klein
Diaz

Pretty much goes without saying. McD and G are our top pairing. I don't think that changes. We need a right-handed shot, and that's what it comes down to. Not sure what we can get. Boyle looks like the best available right now unless we want to try a guy like Yannick Weber. I like Diaz--he has a good shot.

For this to work, Boyle would need a cap hit around 4 million...not sure it'd happen.

So what did I do? Moulson, Boyle come from FA. Resign Diaz as the 7th d-man.

Trade Nash and Hags for Perreault and Silfverberg (++).
Trade rights for Brass for rights to McGinn

I wanted to trade Step and Hags for the Anaheim deal, but I had trouble finding a trade around Nash for a solid #2 C. I was considering a guy like Bryan Little +.

I'd consider Step for Little, but Winnipeg would need to retain.


So, if that all worked out

Kreider - Stastny - MSL
Moulson - Little - MZA
McGinn - Perreault - Silfverberg
Carcillo - Moore - Boyle

McD - G
Staal - Boyle
Moore - Klein
Diaz


This upcoming season would be extremely tight on cap, but once MSL is out, move MZA and Silfverberg on up, bring up Miller/Fast for the 3rd line.

I know that it is hard to tell the direct results of a trade.

Regardless of how we would be able to move the players don't want, or how we could afford the players you do want, I don't see how this will work. This is the nicest thing I could say.

This team has a lot of problems, but I couldn't even imagine "the adjustment period" that would occur if we added 6 new players to our top-9 that includes replacing the entire 3rd line, which has been effective this playoff year.

 

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C. Kreider ($2.25) - P. Stastny ($7) - M. St. Louis ($5.6)
M. Moulson ($3) - D. Stepan ($3.1) - M. Zuccarello ($3.5)
J. McGinn ($2) - M. Perreault ($2) - J. Silfverberg ($2)
D. Carcillo ($1) - D. Moore ($1.3) - B. Boyle ($2)


R, McDonagh ($4.7)- D. Girardi ($5)
M. Staal ($4) - M. Niskanen ($5)
C. Allen ($900K - D. McIlrath ($700k)

R. Diaz ($1.2)

Goaltenders

H. Lundqvist
$8,500,000

C. Talbot
$562,500


Grand total around $65 million with $6 mil in space assuming a $71 mil cap.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Got a question for you guys…

If that "handshake" business with Stamkos actually went through…. Would we have a cup right now since the supposed deal?

http://nypost.com/2010/04/04/rangers-had-done-deal-for-stamkos/

No, because he would score 20 goals max. on the Rangers team

 

[CommaSynapse]

I know that it is hard to tell the direct results of a trade.

Regardless of how we would be able to move the players don't want, or how we could afford the players you do want, I don't see how this will work. This is the nicest thing I could say.

This team has a lot of problems, but I couldn't even imagine "the adjustment period" that would occur if we added 6 new players to our top-9 that includes replacing the entire 3rd line, which has been effective this playoff year.

You missed the part where I said I was just bored and messing around, no?

Besides the fact that I think MZA is the engine that keeps that third line effective.

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

Date of the Stamkos article: 4/4/2010

"“How close did we come?” Sather asked rhetorically, repeating the question we posed to him as the Rangers practiced in Tampa on Thursday. “We shook hands on it, that’s how close."

Thursday, 4/1/2010. I am 99% sure that entire article was an April Fools joke but somehow it is still being paraded as real.

 

[xsniper11x]

I've discussed it in the Rick Nash thread, but might as well add to the discussion here. Many seem to feel Nash is an unreadable asset. However, now that the CBA allows us to eat salary to make a cap hit more attractive, I think he could become a quality asset.

So question is, if we decide to move him, how much contract should we eat and what could the return look like? I think bubble playoff teams just trying to make a consistent postseason appearance would pay up to acquire a proven 30G goal winger, esp if the cap hit was around $6mm. Postseason performance aside, the guy is still a fairly consistent reg season producer.

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

C. Kreider ($2.25) - P. Stastny ($7) - M. St. Louis ($5.6)
M. Moulson ($3) - D. Stepan ($3.1) - M. Zuccarello ($3.5)
J. McGinn ($2) - M. Perreault ($2) - J. Silfverberg ($2)
D. Carcillo ($1) - D. Moore ($1.3) - B. Boyle ($2)


R, McDonagh ($4.7)- D. Girardi ($5)
M. Staal ($4) - M. Niskanen ($5)
C. Allen ($900K - D. McIlrath ($700k)

R. Diaz ($1.2)

Goaltenders

H. Lundqvist
$8,500,000

C. Talbot
$562,500


Grand total around $65 million with $6 mil in space assuming a $71 mil cap.

Moulson will get $5 million + guaranteed. And where did Nash go?

 

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Moulson will get $5 million + guaranteed. And where did Nash go?

Yeah. I've figured Moulson won't be had at that price point.

Nash was moved to Anaheim along with Hags for Perreault and Silfverberg (+), though I feel Anaheim might prefer a center going their way. With Selanne likely retiring, I felt a replacement winger (preferably with scoring touch) would be a need.

But Brass' rights went to Col for the rights to McGinn, as it gives Col a solid C to slot behind Duchene and Mac.

Anaheim has the space if Selanne and Koivu each come off the books, along with what I assume is the likely movement of Hiller. They also are carrying extra d-men. Not sure about the 4th line as I'm not entirely familiar with their roster.

CAPGEEK.COM ARMCHAIR GM ROSTER
CapGeek Armchair GM Roster
FORWARDS
Rick Nash ($7.800m) / Ryan Getzlaf ($8.250m) / Corey Perry ($8.625m)
Matt Beleskey ($1.350m) / Andrew Cogliano ($3.000m) / Kyle Palmieri ($1.467m)
Carl Hagelin ($2.250m) / Nick Bonino ($1.900m) / Devante Smith-Pelly ($0.725m)
Patrick Maroon ($0.575m) / Antoine Laganiere ($0.822m) / Tim Jackman ($0.638m)
John Kurtz ($0.600m) /
DEFENSEMEN
Cam Fowler ($4.000m) / Sheldon Souray ($3.667m)
Francois Beauchemin ($3.500m) / Bryan Allen ($3.500m)
Luca Sbisa ($2.175m) / Mark Fistric ($1.267m)
Sami Vatanen ($0.851m) / Hampus Lindholm ($0.894m)
Ben Lovejoy ($1.100m) /
GOALTENDERS
Frederik Andersen ($1.150m)
John Gibson ($0.722m)
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(estimations for 2014-15)
SALARY CAP: $71,100,000; CAP PAYROLL: $60,824,958; BONUSES: $1,022,500
CAP SPACE (24-man roster): $10,275,042

 

[ReggieDunlop68]

You missed the part where I said I was just bored and messing around, no?

Besides the fact that I think MZA is the engine that keeps that third line effective.

So your just randomly placing players into a cap structure? Why don't you just place anybody?

Yeah. I've figured Moulson won't be had at that price point.

Nash was moved to Anaheim along with Hags for Perreault and Silfverberg (+), though I feel Anaheim might prefer a center going their way. With Selanne likely retiring, I felt a replacement winger (preferably with scoring touch) would be a need.

But Brass' rights went to Col for the rights to McGinn, as it gives Col a solid C to slot behind Duchene and Mac.

Anaheim has the space if Selanne and Koivu each come off the books, along with what I assume is the likely movement of Hiller. They also are carrying extra d-men. Not sure about the 4th line as I'm not entirely familiar with their roster.

CAPGEEK.COM ARMCHAIR GM ROSTER
CapGeek Armchair GM Roster
FORWARDS
Rick Nash ($7.800m) / Ryan Getzlaf ($8.250m) / Corey Perry ($8.625m)
Matt Beleskey ($1.350m) / Andrew Cogliano ($3.000m) / Kyle Palmieri ($1.467m)
Carl Hagelin ($2.250m) / Nick Bonino ($1.900m) / Devante Smith-Pelly ($0.725m)
Patrick Maroon ($0.575m) / Antoine Laganiere ($0.822m) / Tim Jackman ($0.638m)
John Kurtz ($0.600m) /
DEFENSEMEN
Cam Fowler ($4.000m) / Sheldon Souray ($3.667m)
Francois Beauchemin ($3.500m) / Bryan Allen ($3.500m)
Luca Sbisa ($2.175m) / Mark Fistric ($1.267m)
Sami Vatanen ($0.851m) / Hampus Lindholm ($0.894m)
Ben Lovejoy ($1.100m) /
GOALTENDERS
Frederik Andersen ($1.150m)
John Gibson ($0.722m)
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(estimations for 2014-15)
SALARY CAP: $71,100,000; CAP PAYROLL: $60,824,958; BONUSES: $1,022,500
CAP SPACE (24-man roster): $10,275,042

And you did. At a cap friendly structure too! Good work!

 

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So your just randomly placing players into a cap structure? Why don't you just place anybody?




And you did. At a cap friendly structure too! Good work!

No, it's not random. A team of players that, in my opinion, could compliment each other well while fielding a team that has the capability to be competitive. Needs work, sure.

The bored aspect comes from the unrealistic nature of the amount of turnover this roster would feature as well as the unrealistic nature of the amount of things that would need to fall into place for all of the deals to work out.

Glad to know you're capable of executing sarcasm.

 

[Savant]

Anaheim isn't taking on Nash.

 

[ReggieDunlop68]

No, it's not random. A team of players that, in my opinion, could compliment each other well while fielding a team that has the capability to be competitive. Needs work, sure.

The bored aspect comes from the unrealistic nature of the amount of turnover this roster would feature as well as the unrealistic nature of the amount of things that would need to fall into place for all of the deals to work out.

Glad to know you're capable of executing sarcasm.

This is a roster speculation thread for the New York Rangers.

The first time, I gave you an actual answer because I thought you were actually proposing a roster for the team.

The second time you posted, you had a completely random hypothetical team.

Would it be worthwhile to analyze an impossible roster situation?

What exact response did you expect?

 

[Mikos87]

Going into next year, this is what I'd like to see

Kreider-Stepan-MSL (Think this will work better than Nash, because Kreids drives the net)
Top 6 RH Shot/Nash/Miller-Top 6 RH Center/Miller-Nash/Top 6 RH Shot
Pouliot-Brassard-Zucc (Concern is that all 3 are in contract year, hopefully they can do it again)
Hagelin-Moore-Fast (Insane Speed, matchup nightmare)
Carcillo

McD-G
Staal-Offensive RHD
Allen-Klein
Diaz

Trade Chips are JMoore, Dorsett, Kristo, Hrivik, anyone in the farm that is not a gifted athlete, draft picks.
Buyout Richards for cap space.

I'd look at Byfuglien, Little or Wheeler from WPG. WPG has had enough of Big Buff, and needs NHL players. Would have to be a 4 for 2 or 5 for 2 sort of deal.

They are a team that payed draft picks and $3M for Setoguchi, and that level of production can easily be outpaced by Danny Kristo. Their coach isn't too fond of Buff, and ideally you want him to be 20 LBS lighter, but Buff would work well in NY next to Staal.

There are also Zidlicky and Boyle as UFAs to shore up that offensive top 4 RHD.

Kreider-Stepan-MSL
Miller-Little-Nash
Pouliot-Brassard-Zucc
Hagelin-Moore-Fast
Carcillo

McD-G
Staal-Byfuglien
Allen-Klein
Diaz

That's a line up that is going to score, solve PP woes and just be a match up nightmare.

 

[mike14]

I can't see JMoore, Dorsett and some AHL guys returning much in the way of players that will make a difference.

Outside of the normal "throw money at random FAs" and replacing Richards (likely thru the same method), I don't think there will too many changes to the team. Slats will hang his hat on that we will be getting a full season of MSL, Nash wont be concussed and CK will develop into a 25 goal scorer

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

I'd say our most tradeable assets are Hagelin and J. Moore. MAYBE Staal (only if Stralman is re-signed, and even then I'd rather keep Staal). Could move him to Anaheim for Smith-Pelley and one of their great prospects or two.

 

[I Eat Crow]

I'd say our most tradeable assets are Hagelin and J. Moore. MAYBE Staal (only if Stralman is re-signed, and even then I'd rather keep Staal). Could move him to Anaheim for Smith-Pelley and one of their great prospects or two.

Hagelin and J.Moore are our tradeable assets for an upgrade elsewhere on the roster, I agree. I think we've seen what both players are going to be. Hagelin is a middle six player that forecheckers well and has wheels without the hands to match it. Guy is so frustrating to watch. He'd be a star in this league if he had halfway decent hands.

J.Moore is the same way but on defense. I'm impressed with how his defensive game has come aroun this playoffs. However, I don't think he'll be more than what he is right now; a smooth skating bottom pairing guy that can spot as a #4.

Disagree on Staal being trade bait. Unless a superior defenseman is coming back, I wouldn't move him for anything. Perfect shutdown guy that can be relatively cost controlled due to his limited offensive output. For the record, I don't think he'll get anywhere near the 6 million that's being thrown around. He'll get Girardi money or less. 5x5 sounds about right for him.

 

[RangerBoy]

Brass and Zuccarello are in the same boat. Group 2 with arbitration rights and they can become group 3 by signing a one year SPC. The Rangers can get move them this summer and get back assets if they aren't comfortable going long-term with either or both. One year and then becoming a group 3 next July is not a very good situation. An arbitration award is also a one year SPC.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

I'd say our most tradeable assets are Hagelin and J. Moore. MAYBE Staal (only if Stralman is re-signed, and even then I'd rather keep Staal). Could move him to Anaheim for Smith-Pelley and one of their great prospects or two.

Staal needs to be locked up. I think hes been the best player in these playoffs.

Hes one of those guys with a unspectacular game that will be sorely missed if hes gone.

 

[jniklast]

Brass and Zuccarello are in the same boat. Group 2 with arbitration rights and they can become group 3 by signing a one year SPC. The Rangers can get move them this summer and get back assets if they aren't comfortable going long-term with either or both. One year and then becoming a group 3 next July is not a very good situation. An arbitration award is also a one year SPC.

I don't think we will get a kings ransom for either so I think they'll have more value re-signed. Especially trading Zucc wouldn't make much sense for a team that can hardly score. He was our leading scorer after all.