Speculation: Trade / Roster Speculation Thread XXXIII: Clever Title Pending

[Gardner McKay]

Never said Thornton for Staal... It was a deal based around Staal for Pavelski with I think the Rangers adding since Staal's a pending UFA...

The question was - what would the Rangers give up for Thornton only?

Nothing. He isn't what we are looking for.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

Staal needs to be locked up. I think hes been the best player in these playoffs.

Hes one of those guys with a unspectacular game that will be sorely missed if hes gone.

Agreed. Re-signing Staal long term should be one of Sather's biggest priorities. I'm sure he won't be that tough to sign after all that's happened.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

I think the even slipperier slope is sacrificing another player who not only gives his all for this team, but provides the depth scoring that allowed this team to even make it as far as we have this year. It really comes down to what the market is for him, but it's a real shame the team put themselves in the position where this is an issue.

I agree.

But at the same time, he is one of the most valuable chips on the team.

Is Zuccarello a 60 point guy going forward? Or can the Rangers leverage a very good season into potential upgrades? I dont think this organization has the foresight to gauge that issue correctly at all.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

Agreed. Re-signing Staal long term should be one of Sather's biggest priorities. I'm sure he won't be that tough to sign after all that's happened.

Whatever happens, it needs to be done this offseason. No more circus situations like Callahan.

 

[Trxjw]

I agree.

But at the same time, he is one of the most valuable chips on the team.

Is Zuccarello a 60 point guy going forward? Or can the Rangers leverage a very good season into potential upgrades? I dont think this organization has the foresight to gauge that issue correctly at all.

Given that they created the blocker for Zuccarello by adding a player who is 12 years his senior, I'd say you're right about that.

 

[NYR Viper]

Given that they created the blocker for Zuccarello by adding a player who is 12 years his senior, I'd say you're right about that.

Yeah, I'm not really seeing what the reasoning was of getting another top-6 only RWer.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

I just can't think of anyway that a Zuccarello trade would end up benefitting this team. They need his tenacity and effort level, and they need his skill.

 

[NYR Viper]

Here's a possible solution. MZA plays the LW almost as well as the RW. Put him at LW. However, then you end up with (2) guys @ 5'6, Nash, Brassard and Stepan in the top-6. Soft much?

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

Only way I entertain moving MZA is for a similarly talented young center

 

[Mikos87]

There isn't enough there in the system to acquire two impact players via a trade. There are UFA options that can cover some needs, but an impact top 6 center should be a priority.

Centers and top 4 D aren't available as UFAs unless you feel like crippling the cap, but the Rangers will need to address two gaping holes. The rest of the line up is there.

I am against trading Hagelin because of his skill set, but at the same time, if he is distracted by NYC and not the character player that he was in Michigan, you have to make the move.

Hagelin is the new Del Zotto on this board, and it strikes me that the pretty boys don't stand to survive in terms of how this fan base views them, but I don't know what goes on behind the scenes.

The Rangers have gone from being a home grown hard working team to UFAs, and reclamation projects. Some of which have worked out well, but until this team has another legitimate top 6 center and a top 4 RHD, the team will be where it is now.

Say JMoore, Dorsett, and Kristo gets you Little and maybe a late pick or depth. The Rangers sign Zidlicky, then you have a team that has more balance and some of the holes are filled. But this is a one year stop gap solution with MSL and Zidlicky being up there in age.

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[pld459666]

Nash and Staal

for

Pavelski and Burns

 

[Paulie Walnutz]

Nash and Staal

for

Pavelski and Burns

That's actually a decent offer imo. Now, would Burns play forward or defense?

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

Nash and Staal

for

Pavelski and Burns

Would rather just explore a Nash for Pavelski deal.

Burns is all sizzle and little steak.

 

[NYR Viper]

Would rather just explore a Nash for Pavelski deal.

Burns is all sizzle and little steak.

Honestly, I'd rather try and grab some up and comers. This league is progressively becoming a league for the younger players. Go young. Just because they are young doesn't mean they are taking a step back.

Find another McDonagh. Find a Tatar, or Nyquist. Find a Filip Forsberg. Find a team looking to do what the Rangers just did with MSL as far as mortgaging the future for the right now.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

I'd do Nash for Thornton straight up. That's about it.

 

[TheTakedown]

I'd do Nash for Thornton straight up. That's about it.

Nash for Pavelski would be better in the long term for this team

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

Nash for Pavelski would be better in the long term for this team

I don't see why San Jose would trade Pavelski for Nash.

 

[ReggieDunlop68]

I don't see why San Jose would trade Pavelski for Nash.

Duh!

The Sharks don't care about the playoffs.

 

[TheTakedown]

I don't see why San Jose would trade Pavelski for Nash.

i udnerstand. i was just being hypothetical.

 

[jniklast]

What are you guys expecting in return for MZA? I'd say his value around the league is a late 1st at most. He has one good season under his belt and was a fringe NHLer before. And he's still 5'6. I really think his value is much bigger on this team than in the trade market. Like Trxjw said he provides important "secondary" scoring and he really leaves it all on the ice. Anyone we would get back in a trade would have holes or at the very least doubts about his game or much less potential.

 

[pld459666]

Would rather just explore a Nash for Pavelski deal.

Burns is all sizzle and little steak.

Burns produced what he was expected to produce from the forward position.

20+ goals and 20+ assists while providing a big body and above average skating.

I would be looking for the same level of production from him.

2nd line LW 20+ goals and 20+ assists while being a huge presense.

Pavelski would be a solid pick up.

 

[pld459666]

That's actually a decent offer imo. Now, would Burns play forward or defense?

I would get him here to play forward.

 

[Minkus]

I'd do Nash for Thornton straight up. That's about it.

The only reason I'd take Thornton is to play with Nash. Not that trading for friends / ex-teammates has worked out thus far *cough cough* but maybe they could replicate past successes in international play.

I certainly wouldn't give up much at all for him.

 

[Savant]

I don't see why San Jose would trade Pavelski for Nash.

As I said when I brought this up this morning:

SJ is desperate.

Thornton and Nash are BFF.

Nash's ceiling is undoubtedly higher than Pavelski's; look what Pavelski did on Thornton's wing. Pavelski is a very nice player, but Nash could be devastating on next to Thornton.

Pavelski does not have NTC protection on his contract, and at a $6 million hit, it is not too far of a bridge to gap. Also believe it or not Nash's contract runs out before Pavelski's.

I said Pavelski and Havlat for Nash and Hagelin, because SJ has been interested in Hagelin before, so he is a carrot to pick up in lieu of Nash's contract. Havlat is a nice asset as an expiring contract, and if he is healthy he can certainly help the 2nd line. If not, Miller and Fast are in the bullpen. Plus as an expiring contract it is not a big commitment and he will have resale value.

If I have read correctly, SJ is interested in Staal for Pavelski. That would be a tough pill to swallow but you probably have to do it. With that being said, SJ has to take Nash in any deal in my opinion. Nash waives his NMC for SJ, and SJ probably would have genuine interest in him. If you want to go with Nash and Staal for Pavelski and Burns, it is terrifying even in terms of value and cap hit:

NY - $11.775 Nash (7.8) and Staal (3.975)
SJ - $11.760 Pavelski (6) and Burns (5.76)

The Rangers could use Burns at defense in this scenario even, although I certainly wouldn't mind him at forward. However with Burns' versatility, they would have options in terms of which hole they would want to replace. This also allows the Rangers to move Hagelin for a net presence. As I have said all season, Hagelin is a movable asset, as Kreider really makes him redundant.

Just some more food for thought.

 

[Kakko]

Whatever happens, it needs to be done this offseason. No more circus situations like Callahan.

Pretty sure he said a few week ago that he wants to get it done in the off season