Proposal: Trade Proposal Thread: Part 77

[Captain Mountain]

Not available for Petry.

I doubt the 18 OA is available, unless Montreal takes back Khudobin and its a more expanded deal.

 

[DAChampion]

By Impact player I mean a PPG or near-PPG forward and equivalent quality as d-man or goalie. You know an impact player when you see one. Core players, star players, whatever you wanna call them.

I include Shane Wright in my analysis, why wouldn't I? We're not going to trade the 1OA and he will be part of the potential core and hopefully the star. But even so, as you can finally see, it isn't guaranteed that the player chosen 1OA (Wright) will be successful enough to become an impact player and even so -- we don't have even half of a competitive core yet even if he hits the ground running. Going to the mystery box year after year and hoping it will be all we have to do is the wrong move.

So this is precisely why we need to add impact players ASAP, so when the drafted youth do come in they are insulated behind the big, reliable core players and they can serve as the depth good teams have.

The Habs of the previous GM era were not well-built and did not have a competitive window. They got pummeled in the Stanley Cup Final so bad that Kucherov was probably drunk and partying before Game 5 even ended. We do not have a core, we have Suzuki and Caufield. We need to build a core. Waiting for two more years of drafts and hoping all those picks pan out is simply not going to bear fruit. Waiting is death, time marches forward.

I think that you're unecessarily cynical.

The core is Suzuki, Caulfield, Wright, Romanov. That's four players.

Yes they need to add, but there are plenty of opportunities to add between all of the other prospects, all of the other draft picks, trades (expect one player), and free agency (expect one player).

It may be pie in the sky thinking to think that a particular draft pick will pan out, but the reverse is true if you're assuming uniform failure across the board. Separately from Wright, they might have up to 5 other first rounders in the 2022 and 2023 drafts, from that we should expect two core players.

How many core players can you expect out of {Barron, Guhoe, Heinemen, Mailloux, Xhekaj, Ylonen, Harris, Touch, Mysak, Primeau, Roy, Farrel, Kidney}? It is statistically irrational to expect zero good players to emerge from that list.

 

[Sterling Archer]

I think that you're unecessarily cynical.

The core is Suzuki, Caulfield, Wright, Romanov. That's four players.

Yes they need to add, but there are plenty of opportunities to add between all of the other prospects, all of the other draft picks, trades (expect one player), and free agency (expect one player).

It may be pie in the sky thinking to think that a particular draft pick will pan out, but the reverse is true if you're assuming uniform failure across the board. Separately from Wright, they might have up to 5 other first rounders in the 2022 and 2023 drafts, from that we should expect two core players.

How many core players can you expect out of {Barron, Guhoe, Heinemen, Mailloux, Xhekaj, Ylonen, Harris, Touch, Mysak, Primeau, Roy, Farrel, Kidney}? It is statistically irrational to expect zero good players to emerge from that list.

Two.

 

[Heineman Mineman]

Absolutely. These are the core and almost-core pieces we need to hope to build upon:

Suzuki
Caufield
Wright or other 1OA pick
Guhle
Romanov
Price (if healthy)

These are the prospects whom we hope flourish, or at least most of them:
Heineman
Farrel
Barron
Harris
Primeau or Dobes
Poehling (hopefully)

These guys are useful to transition and/or to round out a top 9 and top 4 and not to be moved without a solid return:
Anderson
Dvorak
R. Pitlick
Edmundson

Still need two elite forwards and one elite D and maybe a goalie to replace Price. At most we culd get one from a trade (draft pick that works out)

I like where you put Pitlick. So far in my mind, he was a keeper à la Byron, someone who can play all around the lineup in case of injuries, on a medium term, reasonable cap hit.

But seeing him in the same category as Anderson and Dvorak makes me change my mind. Yes, keep him for the aforementioned reasons, but keep on listening in case he can bring back a younger player that has the potential to develop into a core player.

 

[SwiftyHab]

Soooo….any trades today? Legitimate intel?

 

[Canadienna]

Soooo….any trades today? Legitimate intel?

Heard from my uncle's brother's son that Petry for Makar is in the works.

 

[Sterling Archer]

Heard from my uncle's brother's son that Petry for Makar is in the works.

I heard he’s very credible.

 

[BigDaddyLurch]

Heard from my uncle's brother's son that Petry for Makar is in the works.

...do we add Ryder, Halak, and a 2nd as well??...cuz that might be too steep for us...

 

[danyhabsfan]

Josh Anderson (MTL) for Adrian Kempe and Jordan Spence (LA)

we'd take that and run .

don't post that on the main board please :p

 

[Mcdonaldz]

To answer your question let's look at some facts. The players selected at the #2 spot in the last 10 drafts:
Murray
Barkov
Reinhart
Eichel
Dubois
Patrick
Svechnikov
Kakko
Byfield
Beniers.

Barkov and Svechnikov......maybe.

That « maybe » was pretty absurd lol

Anderson, Primeau and 26th overall … and you’re not sure it’s worth Barkov Svechnikov… really ? … Dubois and Eichel are probably worth more than this package too…

 

[salbutera]

Heard from my uncle's brother's son that Petry for Makar is in the works.

It’s was for Kyle Makkar…

 

[BigDaddyLurch]

we'd take that and run .

don't post that on the main board please :p

...it would definitely go south extremely quickly...like Multiple Bans south...

 

[LaP]

It’s was for Kyle Makkar…

No i heard from a very reputable source that the player involved is Wash Makar.

 

[jackeymoon]

After listening to the Gally interview on 690 I'm convinced he wants out/wants to go to LA. Really pulled all the stops out for MB and little positives to say about KH

 

[calder candidate]

It's important but not as important as the better return you will get with Petry on retention. Petry retention likely only blocks retention on Drouin (3 retention spots) and even with retention, you won't get much. Reality. Byron and Dadonov? Not sure... maybe a 2nd but Petry retention does not block that and then it expires with Byron and Dadonov which leaves 2 open spots for the next two years.

Price on LTIR after the season starts creates more than enough cap space for the next deadline.

I don't understand how some posters don't understand it.



Yeah, Khudobin is not the one that comes to my mind coming the other way.

If your getting better return for Petry and less for one of Dadonov Drouin or Byron it will likely even out… but at 50% these guy double their value might get a 2nd vs. a 4th, retaining 1M$ on Petry doesn’t have the same effect since if a team worried of the 3rd year at 6M$ they would still be worried at 5M$ also most team looking into pretty have space.

 

[BigDaddyLurch]

After listening to the Gally interview on 690 I'm convinced he wants out/wants to go to LA. Really pulled all the stops out for MB and little positives to say about KH

 

[Scotianhab]

No i heard from a very reputable source that the player involved is Wash Makar.

Some reliable sources also indicate the Leafs have watched a lot of Chip Endales lately. May try hard to move up. They like his long stick and thunderous shot.

After listening to the Gally interview on 690 I'm convinced he wants out/wants to go to LA. Really pulled all the stops out for MB and little positives to say about KH

What did he say exactly?

 

[LaP]

After listening to the Gally interview on 690 I'm convinced he wants out/wants to go to LA. Really pulled all the stops out for MB and little positives to say about KH

Gally for Cal Petersen and a 1st XD

 

[salbutera]

After listening to the Gally interview on 690 I'm convinced he wants out/wants to go to LA. Really pulled all the stops out for MB and little positives to say about KH

Forest from the trees…. first off he doesn’t know HuGo - the MB relationship lasted 10-years. Secondly, it was MB as GM who gave Gally an opportunity to become an NHLer.

Some reliable sources also indicate the Leafs have watched a lot of Chip Endales lately. May try hard to move up. They like his long stick and thunderous shot.


What did he say exactly?

Ahhhh, I see…

 

[nhlfan9191]

Suzuki hasn't hit 70 points
Caufield hasn't hit 50 points in his whole short career
Wright and Guhle haven't scored a single point in the NHL

This isn't a core, this is a hope and a dream.

And if Wright and Guhle become solid NHLers, the hope and dream is they become impact NHLers and not, say, the next Danault and the next Romanov.

Laine is better than any of them. That's my point. A proven impact NHLer on an RFA contract is worth so much more than any prospect or draft pick. And I don't even particularly like Fiala or Laine all that much.

It may be wishful thinking, but that’s the way most rebuilds start. We won’t know until 3+ years down the road, but we have a pretty good start here right now. We likely aren’t going to get an NHL ready superstar but we have a bunch of bluechip players in the pipeline which is really promising. As for we don’t have a Laine or Faila, I think if you asked every GM who they would want between Suzuki and Laine/Fiala, they take Suzuki everytime. Kevin Fiala is coming off a Domi-esque fluke season imo.

 

[Sterling Archer]

After listening to the Gally interview on 690 I'm convinced he wants out/wants to go to LA. Really pulled all the stops out for MB and little positives to say about KH

After hearing Gally at some point in the failed season last year, he was very clear he wasn’t interested in sticking around in a rebuild which Habs are clearly in. I wouldn’t be surprised in the least if HuGo are trying to move him on the Dlow and him happy to move. Unfortunately Bergevin isn’t the GM and I doubt Blake trades for him though you never know.

 

[BigDaddyLurch]

Forest from the trees…. first off he doesn’t know HuGo - the MB relationship lasted 10-years. Secondly, it was MB as GM who gave Gally an opportunity to become an NHLer.


Ahhhh, I see…
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[ReHabs]

I think that you're unecessarily cynical.

The core is Suzuki, Caulfield, Wright, Romanov. That's four players.

Yes they need to add, but there are plenty of opportunities to add between all of the other prospects, all of the other draft picks, trades (expect one player), and free agency (expect one player).

It may be pie in the sky thinking to think that a particular draft pick will pan out, but the reverse is true if you're assuming uniform failure across the board. Separately from Wright, they might have up to 5 other first rounders in the 2022 and 2023 drafts, from that we should expect two core players.

How many core players can you expect out of {Barron, Guhoe, Heinemen, Mailloux, Xhekaj, Ylonen, Harris, Touch, Mysak, Primeau, Roy, Farrel, Kidney}? It is statistically irrational to expect zero good players to emerge from that list.

Romanov has not shown to have potential to be a core player.

I don’t think it’s irrational to dismiss that list of players either, considering it took the Habs ten years to draft a single *potential* core player in Caufield.

Waiting two more years for two more years of draft picks so they can become impact players in 2+3 more years is really… not my idea of a good time.

Perhaps the players already drafted, such as Farrell and Roy, become NHLers in the next two years and impact players within two years after that… that’s still the 2026-2027 season we are looking at, at the earliest.

I don’t have any interest in a crappy team for four more years on the hope and dream that half a decade later it’ll suddenly turn good. I firmly believe it’s important to constantly acquire good and cap efficient players at all times — someone like Laine, if he’s available, can only help.

 

[Kent Nilsson]

Romanov has not shown to have potential to be a core player.

I don’t think it’s irrational to dismiss that list of players either, considering it took the Habs ten years to draft a single *potential* core player in Caufield.

Waiting two more years for two more years of draft picks so they can become impact players in 2+3 more years is really… not my idea of a good time.

Perhaps the players already drafted, such as Farrell and Roy, become NHLers in the next two years and impact players within two years after that… that’s still the 2026-2027 season we are looking at, at the earliest.

I don’t have any interest in a crappy team for four more years on the hope and dream that half a decade later it’ll suddenly turn good. I firmly believe it’s important to constantly acquire good and cap efficient players at all times — someone like Laine, if he’s available, can only help.

There’s a reason not many teams have gone for the Brian Burke approach lately.

 

[Captain Mountain]

Romanov has not shown to have potential to be a core player.

I don’t think it’s irrational to dismiss that list of players either, considering it took the Habs ten years to draft a single *potential* core player in Caufield.

Waiting two more years for two more years of draft picks so they can become impact players in 2+3 more years is really… not my idea of a good time.

Perhaps the players already drafted, such as Farrell and Roy, become NHLers in the next two years and impact players within two years after that… that’s still the 2026-2027 season we are looking at, at the earliest.

I don’t have any interest in a crappy team for four more years on the hope and dream that half a decade later it’ll suddenly turn good. I firmly believe it’s important to constantly acquire good and cap efficient players at all times — someone like Laine, if he’s available, can only help.

I think the bolded kind of sums up your POV and why you're getting so much pushback. You don't want to cheer for a team that will be clearly bad for that timeframe and are unwilling to even consider patience or delayed gratification.

Nevermind that almost every contender has to go through being bad for a few years, its better making splashy trades and finishing in the 14th to 20th range over and over and hope they can get a goalie who can steal a series or two.

The reality is that the Habs are a mess right now and they are simply unable to trade or sign their way out of it. And that's what they've tried to do since the early to mid '90s. Might as well take the most well worn path towards contention.