Proposal: Trade Proposal Thread: Part 77

[waitin425]

Romanov has not shown to have potential to be a core player.

I don’t think it’s irrational to dismiss that list of players either, considering it took the Habs ten years to draft a single *potential* core player in Caufield.

Waiting two more years for two more years of draft picks so they can become impact players in 2+3 more years is really… not my idea of a good time.

Perhaps the players already drafted, such as Farrell and Roy, become NHLers in the next two years and impact players within two years after that… that’s still the 2026-2027 season we are looking at, at the earliest.

I don’t have any interest in a crappy team for four more years on the hope and dream that half a decade later it’ll suddenly turn good. I firmly believe it’s important to constantly acquire good and cap efficient players at all times — someone like Laine, if he’s available, can only help.

It is gonna take several years, I agree. But I disagree it is not worth waiting and being patient.

Case in point Colorado.
2011 - 2nd Landy
2013 - 1st MacKinnon
2015 - 10th Rantanen
2017 - 4th Makar
2019 - 4th Byram
2019.- 16th Newhook

From the 2nd overall pick in 2011, it has taken them 11 years to get to the Cup final. In those years, they have nailed it on a 1st overall, 10th, two 4ths and a 16th. The other first round picks were marginal.

This is what we can expect. Suzuki will be at least 30 when we are ready to compete and if we are lucky we will get a full open window for 6 years beginning then.

 

[BigDaddyLurch]

I think the bolded kind of sums up your POV and why you're getting so much pushback. You don't want to cheer for a team that will be clearly bad for that timeframe and are unwilling to even consider patience or delayed gratification.

Nevermind that almost every contender has to go through being bad for a few years, its better making splashy trades and finishing in the 14th to 20th range over and over and hope they can get a goalie who can steal a series or two.

The reality is that the Habs are a mess right now and they are simply unable to trade or sign their way out of it. And that's what they've tried to do since the early to mid '90s. Might as well take the most well worn path towards contention.

...agree totally...we've tried the Bargain Bin approach, time to rebuild properly...

 

[Rapala]

You dont trade away top prospects like Guhle while your rebuilding.

Particularly when @Rapala wants to see what Barron/Guhle ultimately become.

 

[Habs Halifax]

It is gonna take several years, I agree. But I disagree it is not worth waiting and being patient.

Case in point Colorado.
2011 - 2nd Landy
2013 - 1st MacKinnon
2015 - 10th Rantanen
2017 - 4th Makar
2019 - 4th Byram
2019.- 16th Newhook

From the 2nd overall pick in 2011, it has taken them 11 years to get to the Cup final. In those years, they have nailed it on a 1st overall, 10th, two 4ths and a 16th. The other first round picks were marginal.

This is what we can expect. Suzuki will be at least 30 when we are ready to compete and if we are lucky we will get a full open window for 6 years beginning then.

This is exactly how I see it. We might rise in the standing in the next 3 years but in 5 years when Suzuki is in his late 20's and Wright is 23, that's when the real contending starts.

Tampa and Avs are a good example. Took a while where they had potential and looked good on paper but it's when most of their core was in prime years.

Until then, focus on development and key vets around them so they don't drown. Also keep the draft power high and keep throwing those darts at the board.

 

[Habs Halifax]

You dont trade away top prospects like Guhle while your rebuilding.

If we got into a trade for #2OA and it took Romanov as part of the package, I'd consider it. With Guhle? No. You don't trade a player before NHL on a development track like Suzuki. Bad idea.

At least with Romanov, you have a general idea of where he is going which is top 4D, not top paring who puts up 50+ pts. With Guhle, you just don't know yet and it risky... just like with Vegas trading Suzuki+ for Patch.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Josh Anderson (MTL) for Adrian Kempe and Jordan Spence (LA)

I decline. Spence is a solid young guy at RD but he don't turn the needle for me. I rather trade Anderson for a very good grade A not in the NHL yet or a very solid 1st rounder. Not a top 10 pick but definitely not a late 1st either.

I do like Kempe though. However, does he cost just as much as Anderson to sign? If not more?

I want a shot at getting a Suzuki type (pre NHL).

 

[Team_Spirit]

5 years left at 6.5...including

8M in 23-24
9M in 24-25

7 goals in 56 games, 5 of them on the PP with 15min/game

I'm not interested in staying for the rebuild guys. Marc Bergevin is a great hockey maestro. Tim Stutzle bad.

 

[Rapala]

After listening to the Gally interview on 690 I'm convinced he wants out/wants to go to LA. Really pulled all the stops out for MB and little positives to say about KH

LOL Hughes isn't sold on Gallagher to begin with. He probably thinks he can become a top 6 again with Danault.

 

[Rapala]

Am I the only one who thinks Romanov is STILL progressing? Some of these takes are off IMO.

 

[Habs Halifax]

After listening to the Gally interview on 690 I'm convinced he wants out/wants to go to LA. Really pulled all the stops out for MB and little positives to say about KH

Over the last year, I've seen Gallagher more active on social media and I don't like it. It's not the Gallagher we have come to respect cause that respect came from his play on the ice.

I get the feeling that he feels like he is experienced now and people want to hear him be a leader with his mouth. Not sure that is the right road for him.

Am I the only one who thinks Romanov is STILL progressing? Some of these takes are off IMO.

He is still progressing yes. But at age 22, I feel he is moving towards solid top 4D, not top pairing. I don't want to trade him but we are strong at LD so why not consider avoiding his next contract and using his value to try to get #2OA? Not saying this is a for sure option in a trade package but I'd definitely consider flipping pieces like Romanov, Primeau, Flames 1st to get a shot at a legit top line asset.

You might think the takes are off cause you are assuming we want to trade him. Not the case.

 

[Rapala]

Over the last year, I've seen Gallagher more active on social media and I don't like it. It's not the Gallagher we have come to respect cause that respect came from his play on the ice.

I get the feeling that he feels like he is experienced now and people want to hear him be a leader with his mouth. Not sure that is the right road for him.

A cripple crippling our team.

 

[CreamOfTheCrop]

Am I the only one who thinks Romanov is STILL progressing? Some of these takes are off IMO.

I def. saw improvement after mid season. We should remain patient.

 

[Rapala]

Over the last year, I've seen Gallagher more active on social media and I don't like it. It's not the Gallagher we have come to respect cause that respect came from his play on the ice.

I get the feeling that he feels like he is experienced now and people want to hear him be a leader with his mouth. Not sure that is the right road for him.



He is still progressing yes. But at age 22, I feel he is moving towards solid top 4D, not top pairing. I don't want to trade him but we are strong at LD so why not consider avoiding his next contract and using his value to try to get #2OA? Not saying this is a for sure option in a trade package but I'd definitely consider flipping pieces like Romanov, Primeau, Flames 1st to get a shot at a legit top line asset.

You might think the takes are off cause you are assuming we want to trade him. Not the case.

Romanov
He can still be a huge part of our core at 3-4. I don't see us moving that type of asset for a pick in this draft. We are threadbare on D to begin with and we know there will be one or two kids on next seasons roster. I see Barron playing with Romanov with the idea of pairing him with Guhle towards the end of the season. That would be a solid progression and justify keeping these prized kids developing on the big team. Hughes will probably have to dangle multple seconds and or a farmhand to garner another top pick. I just don't see the path interesting other teams.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Romanov
He can still be a huge part of our core at 3-4. I don't see us moving that type of asset for a pick in this draft. We are threadbare on D to begin with and we know there will be one or two kids on next seasons roster. I see Barron playing with Romanov with the idea of pairing him with Guhle towards the end of the season. That would be a solid progression and justify keeping these prized kids developing on the big team. Hughes will probably have to dangle multple seconds and or a farmhand to garner another top pick. I just don't see the path interesting other teams.

I like Romanov just as much as you do. My point is he is not untouchable if he is in a package to get the #2 from the Devils.

Where do you see Romanov topping out at? Very solid top 4D and 20-30 pts?

You got to give to get and I would love the chance at drafting Wright and Slaf. Would be tough for me to decide on Cooley vs Slaf but if Slaf reaches potential, he might be as good as Tkachuk or better. That kind of player turns the needle in playoff games. You need it

 

[Rapala]

I like Romanov just as much as you do. My point is he is not untouchable if he is in a package to get the #2 from the Devils.

Where do you see Romanov topping out at? Very solid top 4D and 20-30 pts?

You got to give to get and I would love the chance at drafting Wright and Slaf. Would be tough for me to decide on Cooley vs Slaf but if Slaf reaches potential, he might be as good as Tkachuk or better.

No one is untouchable if Gretzky didn't prove that nothing will.

 

[Habs Halifax]

No one is untouchable if Gretzky didn't prove that nothing will.

Yes but can you answer your top end with Romanov? A very good top 4D who puts up 20-30 pts? Higher or lower?

 

[jaffy27]

What is your projection for Guhle? I like Guhle, but he’s more of a 2/3 to me. I don’t think Guhle, Anderson and Prime for 2nd is unreasonable at all and I like all 3 of those players. I’m fact I’m sure we’d have to add a 1st as well if anything.

So that’s for next year’s (2023) 2nd overall??

 

[Habfan10]

I like Romanov just as much as you do. My point is he is not untouchable if he is in a package to get the #2 from the Devils.

Where do you see Romanov topping out at? Very solid top 4D and 20-30 pts?

You got to give to get and I would love the chance at drafting Wright and Slaf. Would be tough for me to decide on Cooley vs Slaf but if Slaf reaches potential, he might be as good as Tkachuk or better. That kind of player turns the needle in playoff games. You need it

The #2 pick is no slam dunk to be better then Romanov and his game is more then points. The number 2 pick is a nice to have but I’m not selling off valuable assets for it.

 

[The Great Weal]

Gally should mutually terminate his contract and sign with a contender if he wants to win. He should know he has negative value.

 

[Habs Halifax]

The #2 pick is no slam dunk to be better then Romanov and his game is more then points. The number 2 pick is a nice to have but I’m not selling off valuable assets for it.

Yeah, I get that but even it it was 1/1, you would say no to either Slaf or Cooley for Romanov? I think both Slaf and Cooley are top 6F assets worse case.

What if it was Romanov, Primeau, and the Flames 1st? Still no?

 

[Rapala]

I def. saw improvement after mid season. We should remain patient.

Yup like a good portion of the team under MSL. Bergevin blew it when he didn't keep Markov around as a mentor so the language and cultural barrier had to be dealt with first and that doesn't happen over night. The one thing I talked about often in the GDT was how the majority of our extended Ozone play 5v5 had one common denominator and that kid is still learning.

 

[jaffy27]

Suzuki hasn't hit 70 points
Caufield hasn't hit 50 points in his whole short career
Wright and Guhle haven't scored a single point in the NHL

This isn't a core, this is a hope and a dream.

And if Wright and Guhle become solid NHLers, the hope and dream is they become impact NHLers and not, say, the next Danault and the next Romanov.

Laine is better than any of them. That's my point. A proven impact NHLer on an RFA contract is worth so much more than any prospect or draft pick. And I don't even particularly like Fiala or Laine all that much.

MacKinnon didn’t hit the 70pt mark till year 5…..

Think it’s important to keep things in perspective and let these playere grow into their role and let them be surrounded by high end talent and D that can move the puck before tossing around these failures at attaining benchmarks.

 

[DramaticGloveSave]

So that’s for next year’s (2023) 2nd overall??

Huh?

 

[Habs Halifax]

What is your projection for Guhle? I like Guhle, but he’s more of a 2/3 to me. I don’t think Guhle, Anderson and Prime for 2nd is unreasonable at all and I like all 3 of those players. I’m fact I’m sure we’d have to add a 1st as well if anything.

I would trade Romanov before Guhle if we are talking #2 OA. With Romanov we have a decent NHL sample size now. He's still growing but he won't grow to top paring quality at this stage.

I think Guhle, Anderson, and Primeau is overpayment as I talked it over with myself and others over the last few days. Romanov, Primeau, and Flames 1st might be as high as I go.

Devils would have to say 1/1... Guhle for 2nd OA for me to consider it. And I might say no cause we could be trading our next Suzuki on the back end (pre NHL).

 

[jaffy27]

Yeah, I get that but even it it was 1/1, you would say no to either Slaf or Cooley for Romanov? I think both Slaf and Cooley are top 6F assets worse case.

What if it was Romanov, Primeau, and the Flames 1st? Still no?

I’d reluctantly do that trade….i think lol

Think I’d rather throw Mailloux in the mix then Romanov. Maybe add another Kidney/Mysak type prospect to sweeten the pot.