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Proposal: Trade Proposal Thread: Part 77

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Habs Halifax said:
Yeah, I get that but even it it was 1/1, you would say no to either Slaf or Cooley for Romanov? I think both Slaf and Cooley are top 6F assets worse case.

What if it was Romanov, Primeau, and the Flames 1st? Still no?
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I have a hard time putting Romanov in a package for #2. It creates a weakness to fill a weakness presumably. It just doesn't move the needle in terms of building our team. Both of those assets should be part of our rebuild.

For #2, I'd much rather trade an established vet like Anderson, a goalie prospect trending in the right direction like Primeau and a later first like #26. I threw in earlier, that I would even do a conditional 2023 1st, top ten protected.

And I would take Slaf with that #2.

Slaf for Anderson, Primeau, #26 and 2023 1st (top 10 protected). That is hard for Jersey to turn down.

Slaf - Suzuki - Caufield
Roy - Wright - Farrell

Man, if Roy and Farrell both hit like they are trending....this would be super sexy in 3-4 years.
 
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jaffy27 said:
I’d reluctantly do that trade….i think lol

Think I’d rather throw Mailloux in the mix then Romanov. Maybe add another Kidney/Mysak type prospect to sweeten the pot.
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I get it. It's Romanov. I like his development. Personally, I'd avoid trading anybody pre NHL or guys that have not played any NHL games. With pieces like Romanov and Primeau, we have a better idea. With pieces like Guhle and Mailloux, we don't. I think there is more risks there even if we like Guhle more than Mailloux.

I think I do the Romanov, Primeau, Flames 1st for 2nd OA. The chance at getting Wright and Slaf make me more hopeful than where Romanov, Primeau, Flames 1st tops out at. If it make us think, it has to be close value right?
 
waitin425 said:
I have a hard time putting Romanov in a package for #2. It creates a weakness to fill a weakness presumably. It just doesn't move the needle in terms of building our team. Both of those assets should be part of our rebuild.

For #2, I'd much rather trade an established vet like Anderson, a goalie prospect trending in the right direction like Primeau and a later first like #26. I threw in earlier, that I would even do a conditional 2023 1st, top ten protected.

And I would take Slaf with that #2.

Slaf for Anderson, Primeau, #26 and 2023 1st (top 10 protected). That is hard for Jersey to turn down.

Slaf - Suzuki - Caufield
Roy - Wright - Farrell

Man, if Roy and Farrell both hit like they are trending....this would be super sexy in 3-4 years.
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I'm down for Anderson, Primeau and the Flames 1st as well. If that one works, I'd choose that over the one with Romanov. But I'd consider the Romanov one too if the Devils were dead set on it.

Guhle, Harris, with Eddy around for a while is not any holes. Who knows about Struble and Xhekaj and others we have and might draft as well.
 
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Habs Halifax said:
I get it. It's Romanov. I like his development. Personally, I'd avoid trading anybody pre NHL or guys that have not played any NHL games. With pieces like Romanov and Primeau, we have a better idea. With pieces like Guhle and Mailloux, we don't. I think there is more risks there even if we like Guhle more than Mailloux.

I think I do the Romanov, Primeau, Flames 1st for 2nd OA. The chance at getting Wright and Slaf make me more hopeful than where Romanov, Primeau, Flames 1st tops out at. If it make us think, it has to be close value right?
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You are presuming that Slaf is a sure bet at number 2? Not so sure about that. If there was a consensus number 2 and he was head ans showlder above everyone else then perhpas but its not the case. I think if and that is a big if MTL had the 1st and 2nOA they would go for Wright and Nemec instead of Slaf. Just my hunch.

I mean Romanov alone could turn into something special, Primeau might be tunring the corner finally and you add another 1st rounder to this. It just move us few years backwards in my opinion. Mailloux + Primeau, I would, Romanov...I would turn it down.
 
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Habricot said:
You are presuming that Slaf is a sure bet at number 2? Not so sure about that. If there was a consensus number 2 and he was head ans showlder above everyone else then perhpas but its not the case. I think if and that is a big if MTL had the 1st and 2nOA they would go for Wright and Nemec instead of Slaf. Just my hunch.

I mean Romanov alone could turn into something special, Primeau might be tunring the corner finally and you add another 1st rounder to this. It just move us few years backwards in my opinion. Mailloux + Primeau, I would, Romanov...I would turn it down.
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If I can flip Anderson or Romanov, Primeau, Flames 1st for #2 OA. I'm drafting Wright and Slaf.

It would be a decision on Slaf or Cooley with me and if you look around, that's the consensus BPA when you combine lists that are reputable... in terms of #2 BPA. It's Wright and then one of Slaf or Cooley. I want to take a shot at Slaf. You don't get guys will hands and physical strength like that very often. It's not like he came out of nowhere. He was top 5 consideration heading into this draft year. This is not a KK reach

* Romanov is not turning into a top paring quality. Love the kid but he's tracking towards solid top 4D and 20-30 pts. I would prefer to move Anderson over him yes.

* Primeau is not likely a starter and if he is, he's not top 15 in the NHL. Primeau is tracking to be a back-up or someone like Allen. We don't have a Knight or Askarov here.
 
Habs Halifax said:
If I can flip Anderson or Romanov, Primeau, Flames 1st for #2 OA. I'm drafting Wright and Slaf.

It would be a decision on Slaf or Cooley with me and if you look around, that's the consensus BPA when you combine lists that are reputable... in terms of #2 BPA. It's Wright and then one of Slaf or Cooley. I want to take a shot at Slaf. You don't get guys will hands and physical strength like that very often. It's not like he came out of nowhere. He was top 5 consideration heading into this draft year. This is not a KK reach

* Romanov is not turning into a top paring quality. Love the kid but he's tracking towards solid top 4D and 20-30 pts. I would prefer to move Anderson over him yes.

* Primeau is not likely a starter and if he is, he's not top 15 in the NHL. Primeau is tracking to be a back-up or someone like Allen.
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Primeau played very little hockey in the past two season. Once they gave him the net in the AHL after is stint in MTL he constently progressed to a point where he was the best player in the AHL playoff. So not sure where you get your information but I would not agree with it at all.

Has for Romanov. He is doing fine. We still do not know what he can be in the NHL but what he is now is much better then what Slaf could be if he does not Pan out. That is the key with Slaf. the Ceiling in my opinion is really high. The floor is low and the chances he reaches the ceiling are average at best.
 
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Galaxydoggystyle said:
I love how people talk in absolutes when it comes to Romanov. "hes only going to be a 4D defender" lol give me a break. kids still young and still has a lot more potential.
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I personally have been on record saying I don't think we've touched his production potential yet. He is getting more comfortable and savvy at joining the rush and taking free space, He is also getting much better at getting his point shots through particularly his wrister. LOL I'd fine him anytime he takes a slapshot. All this to say it's very doubtful in my mind that he'd be made available in that type of deal.
 
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Rapala said:
I personally have been on record saying I don't think we've touched his production potential yet. He is getting more comfortable and savvy at joining the rush and taking free space, He is also getting much better at getting his point shots through particularly his wrister. LOL I'd fine him anytime he takes a slapshot. All this to say it's very doubtful in my mind that he'd be made available in that type of deal.
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Imo, we have plenty wingers on the team right now. We lack a bit on the defensive side. Sure we have Jordan Harris (who was picked in the same draft as Romanov), Guhle and others.. but Romanov is one of those rare draftees that is currently playing with the team full time. I don't believe he has a high ceiling but he should be good enough. He won't cost too much on his next contracts too. There's still Edmundson who could leave within 2 years. While we have some prospects coming up, I feel a bit uncomfortable to trade Romanov away. I don't want to repeat 2017.
 
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When they have shown promise, stop trading defensemen before they're 25 years old.

Defensemen peak in their late 20s and early 30s, except offensive dmen à la Orr or Leetch or Karlsson, who peak earlier like they're forwards.

Categorizing Romanov and putting him in a box today is brain damaged.
 
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calder candidate said:
Retaining on Drouin, Dadonov, Byron is a lot more important since team buying won’t have much space, retaining will leave get us more option and it will help improve return.
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Even with retention, I cannot see Drouin or Byron getting much of a return at the TDL. So, if with retention the Habs get a 3rd round pick and without they get a 5th rounder, does it really matter? That's assuming that either of them are healthy at the TDL, of course (which certainly is not guaranteed).
 
Whalers Fan said:
Even with retention, I cannot see Drouin or Byron getting much of a return at the TDL. So, if with retention the Habs get a 3rd round pick and without they get a 5th rounder, does it really matter? That's assuming that either of them are healthy at the TDL, of course (which certainly is not guaranteed).
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It's between getting nothing at all for Byron without retention, versus getting a pick.
 
To hit 40pts he needs to be part of PP1.

25pts~ is already 2x last year production.

RHD coming up are Barron and Mailloux probably his mid terms partners

Anyhow Romanov has decent value in a trade but probably more if we keep him.
 
I have a (slight)feeling. They’ll go for Cooley

Link to Hugues, brillant offensively, less ??? than Wright.

Then Anderson for Ott 7th and get his LW Cutter Gauthier. Hes big, plays with Cooley and can play center.

Also they will go crazy on Quebec players in late 1st early 2nd to make up for the USA picks.
 
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If it's a late pick, it doesn't really matter. Nobody's going to be excited about getting a 4th round pick for a retained Byron. He's gone and off the cap after the season in either case.
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But if we are out of contention, we get a 4th round pick plus a kid gets to play the final 6 weeks.
 
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Idea for Byron trade - Perhaps there is a team who could trade us a one-year $3M cap dump who is useless to them, for one whole year of Byron and pay us a 2nd or 3rd round pick or B+ prospect.
 
BaseballCoach said:
Idea for Byron trade - Perhaps there is a team who could trade us a one-year $3M cap dump who is useless to them, for one whole year of Byron and pay us a 2nd or 3rd round pick or B+ prospect.
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Byron has been injured too often to get such a return.

Best hope is for him to show he can stay healthy and play well enough to be a positive asset, something Matthieu Perreault couldn't do.
 
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BaseballCoach said:
But if we are out of contention, we get a 4th round pick plus a kid gets to play the final 6 weeks.
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Okay, but if retaining on Petry gets the Habs a 1st round pick versus holding that retention spot for Byron and a possible 4th round pick (assuming he's actually not on the injured list at the TDL), which is better?
 
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