Proposal: Trade Proposal Thread: Part 77

[Agalloch]

How about a funny one:

Carey Price for Sergei Bobrovski.

 

[Scotianhab]

Pagnotta credible at all? I fully expect Hoffman to be with the Habs next year.

 

[26Mats]

Caufield Suzuki Hoffman
Dadonov Dvorak Gallagher
R. Pitlick Evans Byron
Anderson Poehling Armia
Drouin

I expect these 3 to be gone this summer and replaced with Ylonen, Wright/Slaf and Harvey-Pinard

Hoffman for salary dump and prospect
Armia for picks
Drouin (retained) for picks

You're more optimistic than I am about each of those 3 players' current trade value.

Because I don't think the Habs want to move him, to do so, would require an overpayment from another team imo.



I don't disagree here


I never said anything about what they would get in return.

I just don't agree that he would be difficult to trade.

Not like i'm expecting a 1st round pick back

The way Hughes keeps talking about Anderson in the media leads me to believe he wants to move him.

 

[Agalloch]

You're more optimistic than I am about each of those 3 players' current trade value.


The way Hughes keeps talking about Anderson in the media leads me to believe he wants to move him.

Agree. To rebuild, we clean house. Anderson is a good player but he will not be in his prime when we will be ready to compete again. Trade him while his value is up.

 

[Canadienna]

Amusingly, he's just reporting a month old comment (May 15th) from the real clown with sources: El Cloun.

El Cloun is the account who broke MSL becoming HC and he said LeCavalier was going to join 9 days before it was official.

I remember going through all this at the time, looking at the tweets and the time stamps, and el cloun only mentioned MSL after Eklund.

Yeah, Eklund broke that story first. Crazy world.

 

[Merci Saku]

With Drouin doing things with Suzuki last week with the fans,

Is he really done with the Habs? Can’t imagine the direction asking him to do those things if he’s on the way out

 

[Justin11]

There will be loads of rumors until draft day.

Take it with a grain of salt unless it’s coming from the usual reliable guys.

 

[417]

You're more optimistic than I am about each of those 3 players' current trade value.


The way Hughes keeps talking about Anderson in the media leads me to believe he wants to move him.

Well he's being asked about him...he also said they're big fans of Anderson and it would take a lot to move him.

Hence

There will be loads of rumors until draft day.

Take it with a grain of salt unless it’s coming from the usual reliable guys.

The usual guys just break it moments before it's official...what's the fun in that? Lol

 

[Justin11]

The usual guys just break it moments before it's official...what's the fun in that? Lol

I guess it’s fun to speculate and it makes for good conversation. But if I gather all the rumors of the last couple of weeks alone, practically the entire team will be dealt lol

It’s safe to say that a player or two will be dealt by draft day.

 

[calder candidate]

Does Hughes get more, close to the same, or less than this return for Petry?

* Petry ($1M retention)
* 3rd rounder (Ducks or Canes)
for
* Stars 18th OA.

I think he gets more because he will take a contract or warm body vs. retaining.

 

[26Mats]

Well he's being asked about him...he also said they're big fans of Anderson and it would take a lot to move him.

Hence


The usual guys just break it moments before it's official...what's the fun in that? Lol

Yeah, but he also said he was a big fan of Kulak leading up to the deadline, and many posters posted when he said that that Kulak is staying. Rather, he was pumping his tires.

 

[tooji]

Is it just me or our team make up is starting to resemble the jets squad— good C depth and wingers but weak D and goaltending. Finding a bonafide 1D will be critical for the rebuild

 

[calder candidate]

Petry had a bad season injury and off ice issues with is family, but is skating hasn’t decline when he was 100% he was still great, and after watch the CGY DAL serie Petry would have been Dal best Dman behind Miro.

To Dal
Petry + 4th

To Mtl
18th + Hakanpaa

 

[Heineman Mineman]

With Drouin doing things with Suzuki last week with the fans,

Is he really done with the Habs? Can’t imagine the direction asking him to do those things if he’s on the way out

I'm not even sure Hughes himself knows exactly who's on his way out, might as well do business as usual. I believe pretty much everyone 25+ yo is being shopped until free agency, so those who stay are those for whom he didn't find a deal

 

[David Suzuki]

**I am not responsible for you punching your monitor, or phone**

"if you want cap space buy a dog"

 

[26Mats]

With Drouin doing things with Suzuki last week with the fans,

Is he really done with the Habs? Can’t imagine the direction asking him to do those things if he’s on the way out

I can't see much interest in him from other teams this summer.

I also can't see him improving all that much unless it was his wrist that was bothering him all this time, and if the surgery finally solved the problem. He was just such a turnover machine - and at the worst times.

Petry had a bad season injury and off ice issues with is family, but is skating hasn’t decline when he was 100% he was still great, and after watch the CGY DAL serie Petry would have been Dal best Dman behind Miro.

To Dal
Petry + 4th

To Mtl
18th + Hakanpaa

khudobin would be a good back up to have in Laval, backing up Primeau. If Price can't go, Khudobin could get the call up, and not Primeau.

Could even have Montembault in MTL as a 3rd wheel to ensure Primeau plays the whole year in Laval next year.

 

[Heffyhoof]

1) I never said they have to “compete” next year. It’ll be next to impossible to compete with the big teams, in any case. We don’t have the players or the pieces.

2) Acquiring 25 year old star players without giving up significant roster pieces is not and will never be something Bergevin did. Not whatsoever. No comparison.

3) Trading draft picks for RFAs is generally a good gamble. Rarely done because the RFA has much more value than a mere draft pick.

4) I think I laid my argument rather well (and it is an essay I’ve been developing for my blog). The future is far closer than it seems, and also far less certain. A full rebuild requires building. Once all the bad contracts are gone is NOT the time to start looking for top players to acquire, it has to be done in increments and with an eye on the clock.

If the Habs can develop players completely in-house that would be terrific but the empirical proof informs us that the Habs have become terrible at that.

5) Look at the age profiles. If we think we will only compete in 2028, then okay. I do not want to wait that long — sorry.

No one who wants the team to do a proper rebuild is saying anything about competing in 2028, only you because it conveniences your argument.

Montreal is one, likely two more drafts from making the serious moves towards contention and most assuredly should not be spending the 2023 1st round and whatever else it would take to make a move on a player like Laine.

 

[BigDaddyLurch]

This guy is a clown but here it is anyway

I’ve got a source close to the Habs brass who says that Drouin won’t play a single game for the Habs next year.

...y'all are just baiting me, aren't you??...just trying to get me to have a freakin' stroke...I'm too old to be getting this excited and y'all know it...

 

[BigDaddyLurch]

**I am not responsible for you punching your monitor, or phone**

....didn't punch my monitor once...





...you are responsible for me kicking my dog halfway across the yard, however...that's totally on you...

 

[Xirik]

...you are responsible for me kicking my dog halfway across the yard, however...that's totally on you...

 

[Hoochi Papa]

"if you want cap space buy a dog"

"The dog ate my postseason plan, so I signed Alzner"

 

[ReHabs]

No one who wants the team to do a proper rebuild is saying anything about competing in 2028, only you because it conveniences your argument.

Montreal is one, likely two more drafts from making the serious moves towards contention and most assuredly should not be spending the 2023 1st round and whatever else it would take to make a move on a player like Laine.

By your own words, two more drafts is after the 2024 NHL Entry draft. Therefore you're literally saying the Habs will make "serious moves toward contention" starting in the offseason prior to the 2024-2025 season. Until the player(s) picked up in the 2023 and 2024 draft make an impact, it will be at least 2026-2027, likely after, 2027-2028 and onward.

Consider that it took Colorado a many years to first make the finals, and it took Tampa multiple playoff appearances and disappointments before they got anywhere (and they lost a final in 2015, no less) I think I'm being overly ambitious with the 2028 compete window.

Persisting as a mediocre team and constantly picking top15 is no different than being a crap team and constantly picking top10. Building a team takes more than picking high at the draft, ask Buffalo and Edmonton and Ottawa

You don't like Laine? That's fine, but in my opinion you're so invested in an archaic and failed model of team building that you won't agree to acquire any player of any age, not even 24 year olds with proven track records as impact players, because you think the mystery box of draft picks is much more valuable. It is not, and the lessons learned with the Galchenyuk and Kotkaniemi picks should be instructive enough.

 

[BaseballCoach]

Petry and Hoffman for 18th?

Petry and Anderson for 18th + Dellandrea?



Claims Dal has been in on Petry for weeks and KH ask is a 1st ++, and that they also want a scorer to replace Radulov, and that they might want to dump Khudobin (in comments).

Petry and Hoffman and our two late 4th round picks
for the
18OA, Dallas 2023 2nd, Khudobin, Dallas 2024 3rd

 

[BaseballCoach]

By your own words, two more drafts is after the 2024 NHL Entry draft. Therefore you're literally saying the Habs will make "serious moves toward contention" starting in the offseason prior to the 2024-2025 season. Until the player(s) picked up in the 2023 and 2024 draft make an impact, it will be at least 2026-2027, likely after, 2027-2028 and onward.

Consider that it took Colorado a many years to first make the finals, and it took Tampa multiple playoff appearances and disappointments before they got anywhere (and they lost a final in 2015, no less) I think I'm being overly ambitious with the 2028 compete window.

Persisting as a mediocre team and constantly picking top15 is no different than being a crap team and constantly picking top10. Building a team takes more than picking high at the draft, ask Buffalo and Edmonton and Ottawa

You don't like Laine? That's fine, but in my opinion you're so invested in an archaic and failed model of team building that you won't agree to acquire any player of any age, not even 24 year olds with proven track records as impact players, because you think the mystery box of draft picks is much more valuable. It is not, and the lessons learned with the Galchenyuk and Kotkaniemi picks should be instructive enough.

You make fair points, but the idea would be to find a younger player with upside that your shrewd pro scouts feel is undervalued and has upside. Laine may not work because the asking price for a former 2OA is usually enormous.

 

[BaseballCoach]

I don't think Poehling is waiver exempt.

Even without Wright and Ylonen:

Caufield Suzuki Hoffman
Dadonov Dvorak Gallagher
R. Pitlick Evans Byron
Anderson Poehling Armia
Drouin

There's no way any of those 13 forwards should start the year in the press box.
Plus Pez and T. Pitlick are ideal 13th and 14th forwards.

I suppose it is possible if Price is on LTIR to go into the season with all those 13 forwards I listed. But if he's not injured, one has to be moved for cap reasons alone.


How's that going to happen,

Armia is tradeable for a limited return.

And by the way, if we want to keep losing, MSL playing small or defensively so-so wingers on their wrong sides is an EXCELLENT idea!