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Proposal: Trade Proposal Thread: Part 77

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The Great Weal said:
I actually wouldn’t. We don’t have anyone in the system that has top pairing potential and you can’t become a Stanley Cup contender without having one.
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Cooley and Wright don't make sense together. And you could get one of the Ds at #5 or #6 in all likelihood.
 
Habs Halifax said:
Yup. Lots of posters don't understand Petry's value cause he is "age 34". Totally ignoring his mobility and skating ability and looking at his points on a team that was drowning.

I think the Stars have a perfect spot for Petry with Lindell after they let Klingberg walk cause they simply can't afford him at $8M+
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I could see Petry bringing back some very good assets, but I could also see Petry being traded for less than expected.

Petry is 34, has started his decline, has requested a trade, and has a 6.25 M contract for 3 more years. The habs are also in need of cap space. That's not a good recipe for getting back good assets for a player.

BaseballCoach said:
Petry no retention
plus Edmonton 2nd (#61)
.....vs.
Dallas 18th OA
Mavrik Bourque
Khudobin (dump)
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At most, we're getting back the 18th pick for Petry. There's no chance Dallas is going to be adding an A prospect.
 
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Kudo Shinichi said:
I could see Petry bringing back some very good assets, but I could also see Petry being traded for less than expected.

Petry is 34, has started his decline, has requested a trade, and has a 6.5 M contract for 3 more years. The habs are also in need of cap space. That's not a good recipe for getting back good assets for a player.



At most, we're getting back the 18th pick for Petry. There's no chance Dallas is going to be adding an A prospect.
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OK, but remember it's Petry (note $6.25M and NOT $6.5M) plus #61 plus taking Khudobin.
 
BaseballCoach said:
Petry no retention
plus Edmonton 2nd (#61)
.....vs.
Dallas 18th OA
Mavrik Bourque
Khudobin (dump)
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Pretty sure that's the kind of return Hughes is pushing for. Might fall in the middle of mine and yours.

Kudo Shinichi said:
I could see Petry bringing back some very good assets, but I could also see Petry being traded for less than expected.

Petry is 34, has started his decline, has requested a trade, and has a 6.25 M contract for 3 more years. The habs are also in need of cap space. That's not a good recipe for getting back good assets for a player.



At most, we're getting back the 18th pick for Petry. There's no chance Dallas is going to be adding an A prospect.
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It's difficult to guess and less than expected is subjective to what you, myself and others think cause the expectation varies.
 
McPhees Moustache said:
I don't think there's anything wrong with your value, but each retention spot has a value and I don't think you're maximizing it by tying it up for 3 years to only retain ~1M dollars on an asset that could still be traded for positive value without retention.
I get the allure of the 18thOA pick but I don't think you're fully valuing the retention spot for a team that's sure to trade several players over the next couple years.
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Yeah, using 3 years of retention for 1 million is weird.

How about offering Anderson at 50% if we’re going that road ? That would bring back serious value.
 
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BigDaddyLurch said:
...as a Petry fan, that's waaaay too much to expect; no chance they move #18 and one of their best prospects...temper expectations, amigo; he's not in his prime anymore...
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I don't mind these types of post as long as you are willing to admit if you are wrong later and not hide in the shadows? Not saying you will be wrong but you can be.

It appears to be high yes. But do we as fans really know what his true value is when 5 or more teams are calling and after the supply/demand of top 4RD is factored in?

Personally, I see Toffoli trade type value with Petry or slightly more.

Kent Nilsson said:
Yeah, using 3 years of retention for 1 million is weird.

How about offering Anderson at 50% if we’re going that road ? That would bring back serious value.
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The weird part is thinking that you get an extra 1st or grade A with a $1M retention vs $3M difference. With retention, it's always about leverage and sweet spots.

Maximum retention is not always required. Reality. And if you do, you are not going to get double the return.
 
Revansky said:
Petry isn't an UFA though. I'm not optimistic as you are on his value but would be glad if i'm wrong.
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Yeah, he isn't a UFA and therefore, it's more value.

Petry is 34 and yes, we won't get the same value vs when he was 31. However, lets not deflate it too much eh. With decline in the 30's, you got to look a things past points. Skating and mobility is how you evaluate players decline in their 30's. Petry has shown zero signs of it.
 
Habs Halifax said:
I don't mind these types of post as long as you are willing to admit if you are wrong later and not hide in the shadows? Not saying you will be wrong but you can be.

It appears to be high yes. But do we as fans really know what his true value is when 5 or more teams are calling and after the supply/demand of top 4RD is factored in?

Personally, I see Toffoli trade type value with Petry or slightly more.
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...you do know this isn't a contest, right amigo??...just us floating opinions...:dunno:
 
BigDaddyLurch said:
...you do know this isn't a contest, right amigo??...just us floating opinions...:dunno:
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I'm not considering it a contest. My point is to avoid absolute type opinions that could be right or wrong. Like saying.... "It's way too much". How do we really know if it's way too much or too little?

Take the strong stance. I'm OK with it. When you are right, remind others. When you are wrong, don't be afraid to admit it. Every single one of us are wrong at times and some posters act like they never are. Not saying you are doing this... just a general comment.

Personally, I think Petry returns just a little more than Toffoli. Age difference and cap difference yes but top 4RD is not as readily available than RW.
 
I just don't see why , Bourque, Khudobin and the 2nd need to be added.

It's Petry for the 18th straight up. If we need to add, then sure add the Edmonton 2nd. I don't think I see the need for additional Dallas pieces.

Let's take that 18th and pair with with Anderson to see how much further we can move up. Does Anderson + 18th + Mailloux get us to Philly's 5th?

Essentially it would be

Out: Petry, Anderson, Mailloux and Edmonton 2nd
In: 5th overall

1st - Wright
5th - Nemec or Jiricek
26th - Nazar
33rd - Lambert

**** I borrowed heavily from Button's rankings.....lol****
 
Habs Halifax said:
I'm not considering it a contest. My point is to avoid absolute type opinions that could be right or wrong. Like saying.... "It's way too much". How do we really know if it's way too much or too little?

Take the strong stance. I'm OK with it. When you are right, remind others. When you are wrong, don't be afraid to admit it. Every single one of us are wrong at times and some posters act like they never are. Not saying you are doing this... just a general comment.

Personally, I think Petry returns just a little more than Toffoli. Age difference and cap difference yes but top 4RD is not as readily available than RW.
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...I'm wrong at least hourly, amigo; just ask my wife...or my kids...or my grandkids...:laugh:


...jokes aside, all I was saying is that this is just us floating opinions, nothing more...being "right" or "wrong" here is not life or death...:thumbu:
 
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