Proposal: Trade Proposal Thread: Part 77

[Habs Halifax]

Anderson isn't an "impact NHL roster player"

Impact can be assumed in different ways. In terms of middle 6F impact, yes he is! In terms of top line forward, no.

Anderson is not some dime a dozen type forward and yeah, he can be inconsistent but you better bet each and every team would love to have him in the playoffs.

 

[Bell Centre Hotdog]

I think I'd be ok with moving Anderson + Romanov for a top 5 pick.

I look at the squad and it looks like the Habs will likely be mediocre trying to acquire another good pick next year.

I look at the left side and see Guhle and Harris if Romanov moves out. If feel comfortable in the near future with those two.

The reason why I'd be interested in trading the Anderson and Romanov allowing us to acquire Nemec or Jiricek it would really solidify the defense for me.

Guhle Jiricek/Nemec
Harris Barron
Xhekaj Veteran

This is down the road not the next season. Likely Savard and Edmundson would be gone.

 

[bobholly39]

A lot of our players had career low years last year. Team imploding with Price/Weber out and players not responding to Ducharme were huge factors. So for a lot of guys, their value is at an all-time low.

If we can get good value for Petry? Sure, i'd be ok trading him. But not for scraps - because I can 100% see him bounce back to a strong season. Same with a few other guys.

So - i'm all for trading players, but I don't want us to sell low on a ton of players.

Also - Price returning or not is a huge consideration. If Price is back - we'll be in the playoffs. So - it's a different team.

 

[WeThreeKings]

A lot of our players had career low years last year. Team imploding with Price/Weber out and players not responding to Ducharme were huge factors. So for a lot of guys, their value is at an all-time low.

If we can get good value for Petry? Sure, i'd be ok trading him. But not for scraps - because I can 100% see him bounce back to a strong season. Same with a few other guys.

So - i'm all for trading players, but I don't want us to sell low on a ton of players.

Also - Price returning or not is a huge consideration. If Price is back - we'll be in the playoffs. So - it's a different team.

We have not seen Hughes sell low on a player and we literally won't unless there's an unrealistic expectation of what that player is worth (e.g. Gallagher's contract sucks so you have to factor that in if he were teaded).

 

[le_sean]

I think I'd be ok with moving Anderson + Romanov for a top 5 pick.

I look at the squad and it looks like the Habs will likely be mediocre trying to acquire another good pick next year.

I look at the left side and see Guhle and Harris if Romanov moves out. If feel comfortable in the near future with those two.

The reason why I'd be interested in trading the Anderson and Romanov allowing us to acquire Nemec or Jiricek it would really solidify the defense for me.

Guhle Jiricek/Nemec
Harris Barron
Xhekaj Veteran

This is down the road not the next season. Likely Savard and Edmundson would be gone.

You don’t develop a young Top 4 defender just to trade him for a chance at another top 4 defenceman.

 

[Rapala]

Sending Drouin to the AHL might be an option. He could help the offense down there, it reduces the team payroll by 800,000 which in turn opens up a roster spot for Poehling or Pezetta.

He has a habit of not reporting. LOL

 

[Habs Halifax]

You don’t develop a young Top 4 defender just to trade him for a chance at another top 4 defenceman.

Agreed. I think posters are overrating the #2-5 guys in this draft. In other drafts, they are 5-10 range guys.

Romanov and Anderson is one serious package for a team looking to rise now and has cap space. The #2-5 guys in this draft will take years to realize how good they are and there is usually 1 or 2 that won't reach their potential. Reality.

However, I would be open to Romanov, Flames 1st, and Kidney for the #2 or #3 pick. I'd love to draft Wright and one of Cooley/Slaf. We are strong at LD and a little weak up front. Plus Romanov needs a new contract and we can swap that for a ELC and that creates some cap space.

Enough value for the Devils? Probably not. There is always emotional attachment to a top 5 pick and what they could become.

 

[Rapala]

No. He's much slower, and he's 65-35 in Offensive/Defensive zone starts. Basically, don't play him in defensive end.

Wouldn't mind picking up Keegan Kolesar from Vegas if we can. He can play center & RW. Tough kid.

I like this idea. One of the reasons I don’t mind moving Anderson is for the fact that he was a spectator when CC got run and he left it to Suzuki to come to his aid. I won’t ever get over that. Just like I never got over Big Georges allowing Lucic to rough up Kovalev. We definitely need the right kind of toughness in our forward group someone who can play heavy and hard and drop them on occaision.

 

[Rapala]

It's the same as everyone (including Habs fans) thinking that Habs would need to sweeten the pot in order to get rid of Weber's contract. As we saw, Habs didn't attach a pick or a prospect to the deal.

I think fans of other teams also need to look at the precedent Kent Hughes has set of being able to get more out of a deal than most thought. How many thought Chiarot would never bring in a 1st? How many thought Kulak wouldn't go for anything higher than a 4th? How many thought Lehkonen wouldn't bring in a 2nd + a top prospect?

We need to take Hughes at his word he really really truly isn’t interested in taking on superfluous Cap Period. The Weber Deal having extenuating circumstances. Teams interested in our players need to pay a fair price and look to other ways to dump their problems we already have a boatload of our own. Neither Petry nor Anderson’s contracts are horrible. I think Petry showed us enough towards the end of the season that he will be fine once his personal issues are cleaned up.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Does Hughes get more, close to the same, or less than this return for Petry?

* Petry ($1M retention)
* 3rd rounder (Ducks or Canes)
for
* Stars 18th OA.

 

[Kent Nilsson]

Does Hughes get more, close to the same, or less than this return for Petry?

* Petry ($1M retention)
* 3rd rounder (Ducks or Canes)
for
* Stars 18th OA.

Retaining on Petry is really bad because we lose 1 of 2 retention slots for 3 years. Hughes has already made good use of retaining 50% on expiring contracts at TDL to acquire 1sts and surely he will do it again. Maybe if a team wanted us to retain on Anderson to acquire a very high pick (top 10 minimum) it could be an option but for the 18th pick you lose a very valuable tool. Just take Khudobin or Faksa as cap dumps.

 

[Vachon23]

Retaining on Petry is really bad because we lose 1 of 2 retention slots for 3 years. Hughes has already made good use of retaining 50% on expiring contracts at TDL to acquire 1sts and surely he will do it again. Maybe if a team wanted us to retain on Anderson to acquire a very high pick (top 10 minimum) it could be an option but for the 18th pick you lose a very valuable tool. Just take Khudobin or Faksa as cap dumps.

Hughes was clear at the TDL that we won't retain on Petry and we almost never see players with terms getting retain.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Retaining on Petry is really bad because we lose 1 of 2 retention slots for 3 years. Hughes has already made good use of retaining 50% on expiring contracts at TDL to acquire 1sts and surely he will do it again. Maybe if a team wanted us to retain on Anderson to acquire a very high pick (top 10 minimum) it could be an option but for the 18th pick you lose a very valuable tool. Just take Khudobin or Faksa as cap dumps.

I'm not afraid of retaining on Petry for 3 years if we get the Stars 18th pick. I believe it's 3 retention spots or none as the rule. I've seen posters say both over the last year. Not 100% sure but it's not 2 spots. That's a new one I have here now

Retain on Petry and then with Dadonov and Byron. Drouin with 50% at the deadline still won't return much so it's nothing to worry about. Then the retention expires and you only have Petry for 2 years to deal with. Who else you retaining on?

Back the the original question. Does Hughes get more, same, or less with the Petry trade?

 

[McPhees Moustache]

I'm not afraid of retaining on Petry for 3 years if we get the Stars 18th pick. I believe it's 3 retention spots or none as the rule. I've seen posters say both over the last year. Not 100% sure but it's not 2 spots. That's a new one I have here now

Retain on Petry and then with Dadonov and Byron. Drouin with 50% at the deadline still won't return much so it's nothing to worry about. Then the retention expires and you only have Petry for 2 years to deal with. Who else you retaining on?

Back the the original question. Does Hughes get more, same, or less with the Petry trade?

3 retention spots

 

[Habs Halifax]

Hughes was clear at the TDL that we won't retain on Petry and we almost never see players with terms getting retain.

Hughes and Gorton also said they will keep Ducharme for the full year too. If the Stars offer the 18th pick and then ask for $1M retention on Petry and it's the best offer. Why would we refuse this? Cause we are afraid of the 3 retention spots with possible trades at the deadline with Byron, Dadonov, and Drouin?

 

[Vachon23]

I saw that offer on Capfriendly from a fans from Philly and I would personally do it if it was on the table:

To Philly:
Mike Hoffman
4th round pick

To MTL
James Van Riemsdyk
3rd round pick 2023

 

[Habs Halifax]

3 retention spots

That's what I believed months ago and saw some posters say none over the last few weeks. Regardless, I'm not afraid of retaining on Petry if it returned us the 18th pick.

 

[Vachon23]

Hughes and Gorton also said they will keep Ducharme for the full year too. If the Stars offer the 18th pick and then ask for $1M retention on Petry and it's the best offer. Why would we refuse this? Cause we are afraid of the 3 retention spots with possible trades at the deadline with Byron, Dadonov, and Drouin?

Because owner/gm don't like to have retain money on there salary cap and yes the 3 retention spot.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Because owner/gm don't like to have retain money on there salary cap and yes the 3 retention spot.

Yeah, but owners/GM's also like to add the 18th pick too. I'm not retaining that easily and if we were offered the 18th pick, it's a done deal.

Will you still say no? Trying to guess what Hughes and Molson would do is difficult to nail down cause with the context you heard, there was no return pieces in that narrative. That can change things.

 

[Habs Halifax]

I saw that offer on Capfriendly from a fans from Philly and I would personally do it if it was on the table:

To Philly:
Mike Hoffman
4th round pick

To MTL
James Van Riemsdyk
3rd round pick 2023

That basically erases the cap savings with made on the Weber/Dadonov deal and then you better bet you move Petry for futures. Cause then we are back at cap tight and trying to sign Romanov, Pitlick and other RFA's.

I refuse that trade. We don't need cap space after this season, we need cap space this season. Drouin, Byron, and Dadonov expiring after this year is more than enough cap wiggle room. It's this season that is a bit of a challenge.

 

[Benstheman]

Because owner/gm don't like to have retain money on there salary cap and yes the 3 retention spot.

But yet, they buy players out like it's nothing.

I agree with Habs Halifax on that. Retaining 1M$ on Petry's salary for 3 years is absolutely nothing for a team going thru a rebuilding process.

 

[McPhees Moustache]

That's what I believed months ago and saw some posters say none over the last few weeks. Regardless, I'm not afraid of retaining on Petry if it returned us the 18th pick.

We had none left with regards to last year as we used slots on Lehkonen/Chiarot/Kulak
The issue with retention on multi-year contracts is it handcuffs us come trade deadline.
This year we could be looking to unload Drouin, Byron and Dadonov at the deadline and if we retain on Petry then we can't retain on one of them.
I think the only way we'd retain on a multi-year contract is if it was for an otherwise unmovable contract such as Gallagher or Price, and even then I think it'd be a last resort

 

[ReHabs]

1) What kind of salary and term is Patrick Laine looking to get?

2) What can we trade to get him from Columbus?

I genuinely think Laine is the sort of player who is underrated due to where he plays and the relatively weak teams he plays on. If he's on the market, what's the most you'd give for him?

Petry + Drouin (cap dump + reclamation project) + Habs 1st 2023 get the conversation going or is that far off?

 

[Habs Halifax]

We had none left with regards to last year as we used slots on Lehkonen/Chiarot/Kulak
The issue with retention on multi-year contracts is it handcuffs us come trade deadline.
This year we could be looking to unload Drouin, Byron and Dadonov at the deadline and if we retain on Petry then we can't retain on one of them.
I think the only way we'd retain on a multi-year contract is if it was for an otherwise unmovable contract such as Gallagher or Price, and even then I think it'd be a last resort

Do you think not retaining on Drouin and he just expires is horrible situation? Horrible enough to not take the 18th pick in the Petry trade? I must have said this 10 times now

We are not trading Price's contract with retention. Gallagher could be moved but what about moving him after Petry's contract expires? It's only 2 more years after this year. Why are we in a rush to trade everyone?

Worse case, Petry and Gallagher are retained. Price? 99% doubt we trade him with retention. Who else do you have where you avoid not trading Petry for the 18th pick? Think it through more

 

[Vachon23]

Yeah, but owners/GM's also like to add the 18th pick too. I'm not retaining that easily and if we were offered the 18th pick, it's a done deal.

Will you still say no? Trying to guess what Hughes and Molson would do is difficult to nail down cause with the context you heard, there was no return pieces in that narrative. That can change things.

I just don't think that offer will be on the table. Jim Nill have never traded a 1st round pick in 10 years, won't happen for a 35 yrs player with term.

That basically erases the cap savings with made on the Weber/Dadonov deal and then you better bet you move Petry for futures. Cause then we are back at cap tight and trying to sign Romanov, Pitlick and other RFA's.

I refuse that trade. We don't need cap space after this season, we need cap space this season. Drouin, Byron, and Dadonov expiring after this year is more than enough cap wiggle room. It's this season that is a bit of a challenge.

Many reason why I would do it:
- I really don't want Hoffman back
- JVR is a better fit with Caufield-Suzuki then any of our wingers
- With a good start, he will be a valuable piece at the TDL
- Where freeing 4,5m on the cap fort the next season