Proposal: Trade Proposal Thread: Part 77

[jaffy27]

You first have to laugh hard and then hang up.

and slip in a Go Fok Yourself for good measure

 

[Ghetto Sangria]

Not overblown. I don't know what you're actually looking at.. unless Price goes LTIRetired.

The habs have bad contracts but how are they cash strapped? What are you seeing?

They have to sign romanov, rem out of RFA’s and Petry is 95% coming off the books. Even if that’s all we’re looking at the habs have room to acquire a core piece like a Fiala.

On top of that there are two inflated contracts ending this year and another the next.

Again, I recommend you play around with Cap Friendly and you’ll see the surprising amount of flexibility there is next season and onwards.

 

[Sterling Archer]

BSerrrr alert.

 

[ArtPeur]

The habs have bad contracts but how are they cash strapped? What are you seeing?

They have to sign romanov, rem out of RFA’s and Petry is 95% coming off the books. Even if that’s all we’re looking at the habs have room to acquire a core piece like a Fiala.

On top of that there are two inflated contracts ending this year and another the next.

Again, I recommend you play around with Cap Friendly and you’ll see the surprising amount of flexibility there is next season and onwards.

We're over cap right now (with everyone healthy) by a small margin (121k$).

Let's say Petry is gone like you say and we don't get salary back. I don't know how much money Fiala is going to get but it should be a significant raise. He's RFA so I wouldn't touch him. Either way, you save 6.25M$. You trade Weber away to save up on future LTIR players.

Rem and Pezzetta should get new contracts. Let's give them about twice what they were getting (3M$= 2 to Rem, 1 to Pezz.. ). Romanov should get a raise too (3M$ is fair bridge). That only leaves a bit less than 7M$ on the cap to complete your team. You have 13 forwards (Gallagher, Anderson, Hoffman, Dvorak, Armia, Byron, Rem, Caufield, Suzuki, Evans, Drouin, Pezz, Poehling), 5dmen (Savard, Edmundson, Romanov, Harris, Barron), 2 goalies (Price/Allen). If Petry stays, you have even less money. The best scenario is if Price goes LTIRetired. But then again, his contract still counts when you sign UFAs so you can't sign anybody that will get a big contract.

You can complete your dmen with Clague, Norlinder and Wideman. They won't cost much but you substract another 2-3M$ from the Cap. That's also without Montembault. Then again, the only flexibility you get is from players who go to LTIR, like Drouin, Price and Weber. More trades need to happen than just Petry. But I agree that in 23-24, there should be more flexibility. Let's see how much Caufield get though.

 

[26Mats]

Some might not like this but in my book, you HAVE to trade Evans on draft day or before next season. Some GM might like him and it's the perfect timing to cash on him. He will have no use for Montreal going foward, he doesn't fit any of our needs as a 3rd C. He is fast but so soft and fragile we can't risk his value going to 0 and his future is just not with us. When we will be ready to compete, Evans can't be your 3rd C behind Wright and Suzuki, Dvorak fill that role way better.

On the one hand I hear you. But how high is his value now anyways? He can play wing and he can play 4c, in addition to 3c. He can hang with offensive players imo, as well as being solid defensively.

For example, when we have enough healthy centers, I'd like to see him get a shot with Suzuki and Caufield, or with Dvorak and Gallagher, or even on Shane Wright's wing. Good skater, good shot, good vision.

Pkus, he has a very low cap hit.

 

[FuManChu]

I don't see how we have a difficult cap situation. Looking at CapFriendly what I see in the worst case is:

- Goalies = 13,375M$ (with Price healthy, could be much less if not)
- Defense = 14M$ for Edmunson/Savard/Romanov/Barron/Harris/Guhle/Schueneman (assuming Petry goes and Romanov signs for 3M$), need one or two more cheap vets
- Forwards = 44.5M$ for 11 guys with contracts all coming back (Gallagher, Drouin, Dvorak, Hoffman, Anderson, Armia, Byron, Suzuki, Caufield, Evans, Poelhing) + 1.5M$ for Pitlick + 1M$ for Ylonen

That's 74.5M$ for 23 contracts and about 6M$ left (incl. Alzner buyout and this year's bonus penalty) to sign an extra forward and one or two vet dmen. With some luck, that 14th will be Wright and he will cost less than 1M$.

That is hardly an untenable cap situation.

 

[CupFreeSince93]

Why would we trade our potential 40 goal scorer for a maybe??

As they ask for Caufield and try to hang up, I'm hanging up before they hanging up

Of course, any other reaction to this and the GM should be fired.

It just makes no sense for the Habs or Devils.

Because it‘s the only option they would consider for the 2nd pick OA.

He’s not saying NJ call us and offer the 2nd oa vs Caufield

Exactly. If Montreal are to call NJ asking for the 2OA, they will ask for Caulfield.

 

[Ghetto Sangria]

We're over cap right now (with everyone healthy) by a small margin (121k$).

Let's say Petry is gone like you say and we don't get salary back. I don't know how much money Fiala is going to get but it should be a significant raise. He's RFA so I wouldn't touch him. Either way, you save 6.25M$. You trade Weber away to save up on future LTIR players.

Rem and Pezzetta should get new contracts. Let's give them about twice what they were getting (3M$= 2 to Rem, 1 to Pezz.. ). Romanov should get a raise too (3M$ is fair bridge). That only leaves a bit less than 7M$ on the cap to complete your team. You have 13 forwards (Gallagher, Anderson, Hoffman, Dvorak, Armia, Byron, Rem, Caufield, Suzuki, Evans, Drouin, Pezz, Poehling), 5dmen (Savard, Edmundson, Romanov, Harris, Barron), 2 goalies (Price/Allen). If Petry stays, you have even less money. The best scenario is if Price goes LTIRetired. But then again, his contract still counts when you sign UFAs so you can't sign anybody that will get a big contract.

You can complete your dmen with Clague, Norlinder and Wideman. They won't cost much but you substract another 2-3M$ from the Cap. That's also without Montembault. Then again, the only flexibility you get is from players who go to LTIR, like Drouin, Price and Weber. More trades need to happen than just Petry. But I agree that in 23-24, there should be more flexibility. Let's see how much Caufield get though.

Ive signed rem 2.5 (doubt he gets more), romy at 3, pezz and clague at 750k (wont get more) with one of barron or ghule making the team and there is 680k of free room. Cap goes up by 1 mil this year.

We both agree habs arent winning anything next season. So if we dont make any moves and no one retires, we still have a full (shitty) roster and everyone signed with 9 million in inflated cap coming off the books from Drouin/Byron, plus more room to recoop cap from a 2.6 mil backup. Cole being the only notable RFA to sign then (if harris or poehling cost significantly more than they do now that’s only a positive). The year after that, Hoffman and eddy off the books with no one of note to resign (maybe resign eddy? Upgrade Romy’s contract if it expires?) so the cap gets more flexible again.

Thats assuming the worst and we dont move any of our contracts this offseason.

Petry adds 6.25 million to that ~700k wiggle room, Hoffman could potentially go. Drouin and/or byron can be traded with salary retained all if needed to add a guy like Fiala to the core.

If Price retires Or is LTIRd that’s a whole other story.

We have cap flexibility because we dont care about winning next season and have juicy pending UFA salaries coming off the books as soon as next TDL

 

[NekkiChiconey]

I want to think that 2 years of rebuilding should be enough but also there will possibly be a missing piece. For instance if we draft Wright and Yager (6th or 7th) next year, then the future offense is pretty much set, but there is still a 1D lacking. So, I think a good way to fill that hole might be through an offer sheet, and the perfect candidate would be Bowen Byram.
A lot hinges on what the Avs do this summer with multiple UFAs, but they already have Landeskog, Rantanen, Makar, Toews and Girard locked up past 2023, plus MacKinnon who will sign a new contract next summer and they probably sign Kuemper to a more expensive contract soon. If they don't trade Girard... I'm not sure they could afford a 6.5-7M contract for Byram. The compensation would be 1st + 2nd + 3rd and I'm fully willing to give that up in 2024, as I think the pick would probably be around 12-15.

 

[TopTenPlayz]

I want to think that 2 years of rebuilding should be enough but also there will possibly be a missing piece. For instance if we draft Wright and Yager (6th or 7th) next year, then the future offense is pretty much set, but there is still a 1D lacking. So, I think a good way to fill that hole might be through an offer sheet, and the perfect candidate would be Bowen Byram.
A lot hinges on what the Avs do this summer with multiple UFAs, but they already have Landeskog, Rantanen, Makar, Toews and Girard locked up past 2023, plus MacKinnon who will sign a new contract next summer and they probably sign Kuemper to a more expensive contract soon. If they don't trade Girard... I'm not sure they could afford a 6.5-7M contract for Byram. The compensation would be 1st + 2nd + 3rd and I'm fully willing to give that up in 2024, as I think the pick would probably be around 12-15.

Byram will not be a 1D and he's LD which we have plenty of. Just draft the best players available, stockpile the prospect pool like there's no tomorrow and offer 2-3 players (e.g Romanov+Farrell+roster player for an elite RD). Much better route than the RFA thing imo

 

[NekkiChiconey]

Byram will not be a 1D and he's LD which we have plenty of. Just draft the best players available, stockpile the prospect pool like there's no tomorrow and offer 2-3 players (e.g Romanov+Farrell+roster player for an elite RD). Much better route than the RFA thing imo

Admittedly I'm very high on Byram. However, your criteria for 1D is probably too severe. 17pts in 30gp as a 20yo rookie without top pp time, solid defensively (more than Q. Hughes for instance), amazing skater... that easily projects as a potential top-30 D in the league and is a skillset we don't have. Also, Harris and Romanov (and Byram) can all play RD... I wouldn't worry about it too much.

I get your point though, I just think that if COL is in a rough spot financially, acquiring Byram through OS will cost way less than acquiring an equivalent D through trade.

 

[HuGort]

I think it is wrong to pursue a top player this summer. Likely just wreck our first pick next year.

Drouin, Bryon, Allen be gone by end of next season, if not before. Frees up 11 million in caproom. Between 5 to 6 will go to Caufield increase. Still leaves 6 million next summer. Petry and Dvorak gone at trade deadline, if we draft Wright? Which frees up another 11 million. So, 17 million in total. Summer of '23 be many top free agents available.

Add a Bedard and a Huberdeau quite a shot in arm to team. Also probably get a first each for Dvorak and Petry. So, 4 first picks in '23 Draft. Be quite the summer!

If we can get 4 first next draft, after 3 in top 33 picks this draft. Wright, Miroshnichenko, Luneau?? Then Mailloux, Roy, Kidney last draft we have good foundation for many years

 

[NekkiChiconey]

I think it is wrong to pursue a top player this summer. Likely just wreck our first pick next year.

Drouin, Bryon, Allen be gone by end of next season, if not before. Frees up 11 million in caproom. Between 5 to 6 will go to Caufield increase. Still leaves 6 million next summer. Petry and Dvorak gone at trade deadline, if we draft Wright? Which frees up another 11 million. So, 17 million in total. Summer of '23 be many top free agents available.

Add a Bedard and a Huberdeau quite a shot in arm to team. Also probably get a first each for Dvorak and Petry. So, 4 first picks in '23 Draft. Be quite the summer!

If we can get 4 first next draft, after 3 in top 33 picks this draft. Wright, Miroshnichenko, Luneau?? Then Mailloux, Roy, Kidney last draft we have good foundation for many years

I'm pretty sure that if we get futures for both Petry and Dvorak (1st/2nd rd picks), some of it will be used to acquire young-ish players that fill needs before the 23-24 season.

 

[waitin425]

Admittedly I'm very high on Byram. However, your criteria for 1D is probably too severe. 17pts in 30gp as a 20yo rookie without top pp time, solid defensively (more than Q. Hughes for instance), amazing skater... that easily projects as a potential top-30 D in the league and is a skillset we don't have. Also, Harris and Romanov (and Byram) can all play RD... I wouldn't worry about it too much.

I get your point though, I just think that if COL is in a rough spot financially, acquiring Byram through OS will cost way less than acquiring an equivalent D through trade.

I remember reading something pre-draft about Byram being more highly touted than Makar, and it wasn't just some random fan, but actual scouting reports. Byram is damn impressive and going to be a complete defensemen. If we could somehow get him, he is no doubt our #1 d-man.

Byram - Guhle
Romanov - Barron
Harris - Mailloux

That is a hell of a d future.

I love the idea of an OS for Byram.

 

[waitin425]

Admittedly I'm very high on Byram. However, your criteria for 1D is probably too severe. 17pts in 30gp as a 20yo rookie without top pp time, solid defensively (more than Q. Hughes for instance), amazing skater... that easily projects as a potential top-30 D in the league and is a skillset we don't have. Also, Harris and Romanov (and Byram) can all play RD... I wouldn't worry about it too much.

I get your point though, I just think that if COL is in a rough spot financially, acquiring Byram through OS will cost way less than acquiring an equivalent D through trade.

I remember reading something pre-draft about Byram being more highly touted than Makar, and it wasn't just some random fan, but actual scouting reports. Byram is damn impressive and going to be a complete defensemen. If we could somehow get him, he is no doubt our #1 d-man.

Byram - Guhle
Romanov - Barron
Harris - Mailloux

That is a hell of a d future.

I love the idea of an OS for Byram.

Here is one example of a pre-draft scout on him

Bowen Byram Scouting Report: 2019 NHL Draft #4

One player who would be considered one of the best defensemen in any draft is Bowen Byram. He led the WHL in goals by a defender with 26.

lastwordonsports.com

 

[BLONG7]

BSerrrr alert.

This would be a huge mistake, unless they know Price will be ready for October....

 

[Sterling Archer]

This would be a huge mistake, unless they know Price will be ready for October....

And all indications point to otherwise.

 

[BLONG7]

And all indications point to otherwise.

Yes, so not having Price, but aggressively persuing Malkin? Makes zero sense.....

 

[DougHarvey]

I want to think that 2 years of rebuilding should be enough but also there will possibly be a missing piece. For instance if we draft Wright and Yager (6th or 7th) next year, then the future offense is pretty much set, but there is still a 1D lacking. So, I think a good way to fill that hole might be through an offer sheet, and the perfect candidate would be Bowen Byram.
A lot hinges on what the Avs do this summer with multiple UFAs, but they already have Landeskog, Rantanen, Makar, Toews and Girard locked up past 2023, plus MacKinnon who will sign a new contract next summer and they probably sign Kuemper to a more expensive contract soon. If they don't trade Girard... I'm not sure they could afford a 6.5-7M contract for Byram. The compensation would be 1st + 2nd + 3rd and I'm fully willing to give that up in 2024, as I think the pick would probably be around 12-15.

You want to pay someone with 49 games experience and a concussion history 7M ?

 

[Sterling Archer]

Yes, so not having Price, but aggressively persuing Malkin? Makes zero sense.....

100% agree. We're in no spot to compete right now. Too much dead salary and too thin a roster. Unless HuGo can do 2 years of work in the off season, I think we won't be doing any big game hunting for another year at the earliest. Mathews is a UFA in 2024

 

[NekkiChiconey]

You want to pay someone with 49 games experience and a concussion history 7M ?

We're still a full season away from that scenario. Obviously if he's trash next year no, you don't proceed with the OS.
He's not the first player to have concussion history btw, true it's a factor but I'm willing to risk it to acquire a 1D.

 

[DAChampion]

I wonder if Hughes will be able to trade any of Petry, Weber, Dvorak etc before the draft for additional picks.

 

[Vachon23]

I wonder if Hughes will be able to trade any of Petry, Weber, Dvorak etc before the draft for additional picks.

I think they will keep Dvorak for this season, the 2 other are possibility for sure

 

[Nico Cauzuki]

BSerrrr alert.

these insiders are a joke Malkin to Montreal makes 0 sense

 

[Galaxydoggystyle]

Doesn't Byram have concussion problems?