Proposal: Trade Proposal Thread: Part 77

[themilosh]

You would actually trade a potential 35-40 goal scorer for an unproven player ?

I would indeed.. laff will be a force on the top line with a suzuki - and while he may nit score as many as CC, he brings the much needed size we so desperately need.

 

[Vachon23]

NHL raising salary thresholds for 2022 offer-sheet compensation

The NHL is raising the salary thresholds that will determine the draft-pick compensation owed in the 2022 offer-sheet process.

www.sportsnet.ca

 

[salbutera]

these insiders are a joke Malkin to Montreal makes 0 sense

Didn’t Hughes specifically state Habs wouldn’t be “targeting a star player like Malkin”

 

[Captain Mountain]

Didn’t Hughes specifically state Habs wouldn’t be “targeting a star player like Malkin”

He has never said anything like that.

EDIT: Oops, misread your post. That's actually exactly what he said:

"Most of the time, when I think about the free-agent market, Kadri will be available, Malkin will be available. I don't anticipate the Montreal Canadiens being in that market for the five-star free agents that will be available."

 

[Vachon23]

Didn’t Hughes specifically state Habs wouldn’t be “targeting a star player like Malkin”

Yep, he specifically named Kadri/Malkin

 

[1909]

Incredibly overblown... Check cap friendly for next year .

Also Petry is getting traded and the habs aren't adding much.

Suzuki gonna make nearly 8M$. If Price is not out on LTIR, they have to cut some salaries. And someone has to replace Petry. They won't play three rookies on the blue line.

 

[Ghetto Sangria]

Suzuki gonna make nearly 8M$. If Price is not out on LTIR, they have to cut some salaries. And someone has to replace Petry. They won't play three rookies on the blue line.

They dont have to cut any Salaries. They will be able to sign rem and romy and only have Harris and one of ghule/barron as rookies on the blue line without getting rid of anyone and weber on LTIR.

On top of that, the likelyhood of Petry and at least one other bad contract being moved this offseason is quite high

 

[1909]

They dont have to cut any Salaries. They will be able to sign rem and romy and only have Harris and one of ghule/barron as rookies on the blue line without getting rid of anyone and weber on LTIR.

On top of that, the likelyhood of Petry and at least one other bad contract being moved this offseason is quite high

Weber will be dealt for sure to Arizona.

 

[HuGort]

I'm pretty sure that if we get futures for both Petry and Dvorak (1st/2nd rd picks), some of it will be used to acquire young-ish players that fill needs before the 23-24 season.

I go low on trade return so don't over estimated I find it better to have more in the end than I expected. No doubt a first for either of them are low balling. Imagine prospects plus a first be involved. Usually Hughes method

 

[Destopcorner]

Imagine Dubois signing only one year in Winnipeg. It's a real possibility. Maybe the guy doesn't like it there... most of us would not, right?

He stated many times he'd like to play in Montreal and reunite with friends and family.

IF he signs that contract before the draft or MTL gets info about it, would you trade our #1 pick for Laffy on draft day?

Wright is what NYR needs and pretty sure they'd consider it with their LW versus center depth. Picking up Wright wrongs the possibilty of PLD... as we'd already be too stacked at center.

Point is signing PLD next year is GREAT asset management. It will cost no assets while getting localstar Laffs in the process.

 

[DiglettDangles]

Imagine Dubois signing only one year in Winnipeg. It's a real possibility. Maybe the guy doesn't like it there... most of us would not, right?

He stated many times he'd like to play in Montreal and reunite with friends and family.

IF he signs that contract before the draft or MTL gets info about it, would you trade our #1 pick for Laffy on draft day?

Wright is what NYR needs and pretty sure they'd consider it with their LW versus center depth. Picking up Wright wrongs the possibilty of PLD... as we'd already be too stacked at center.

Point is signing PLD next year is GREAT asset management. It will cost no assets while getting localstar Laffs in the process.

Or, hear me out, draft Wright and sign PLD < 7M as a UFA to play the gritty LW on the first 2 lines if he still wants to come when we're trending up.
Far less risky to avoid ending up with no new top 2 center. That combined with the relatively good playoffs that AL is having which will drive the acquiring cost up.
Another superb fit imo for that LW position is Timo Meier, if the SJS can't pay him in the next 2 or 3 years.

 

[The Great Weal]

Don't know if they'd be willing to sell low on him but Maxime Comtois could be a nice stop gap to play with Suzuki and Caufield

 

[jaffy27]

Habs have a cap "situation" themselves !

18m$ of it is going on LTIR....

I'd make a pitch next year for Gudbrandsson to shore up that right side after the Petry deal (Hopefully) and maybe take a run at Nic Paul.

Gudbrandsson on a 2yr deal and Paul on a 4yr deal

Not sure on the dollars though.

 

[JeffreyLFC]

By the late 1st round, a 3rd line player is most likely what you will get. They have <30% chance of making the NHL by that point.

I disagee. This is loser thinking. I would always aim for the ultimate star player even if the chance of finding one is less than 1%.

I would never use a 1st round pick for a 3rd liner. I have seen the same story too many times already: Chipchura, Leblanc, Urquhart, Poehling, McCarron, De la rose, Natinnen I would rather use our best chances to find the next Kucherov, Kaprizov, Gaudreau or Kuznetsov. Stop it with these 3rd line talks, it reminds me so many bad memories of Trevor Timmins and this obession to avoid truly talented forwards. I wanna puke.

 

[HabsWhiteKnightLOL]

Yep, he specifically named Kadri/Malkin

Kadri will be a huge mistake by the team signing him. He's good but his stats this season are not Kadri in the next 5 years without the AVS.

Happy that Hugues said no big ufas , so forget Bergeron Malkin Letang Forsberg Kadri
none of it is happening which is the good decision.

 

[RationalExpectations]

Kadri will be a huge mistake by the team signing him. He's good but his stats this season are not Kadri in the next 5 years without the AVS.

Happy that Hugues said no big ufas , so forget Bergeron Malkin Letang Forsberg Kadri
none of it is happening which is the good decision.

Agreed on all this. Regarding Kadri I don't believe he'lle ge a contract commensurate with this year's production. He is close to 32, having a career year in the offensive Juggernaut of the league.. I think the league still sees him as a 50-60 pt center.

 

[BarracudaMtl]

Kadri will be a huge mistake by the team signing him. He's good but his stats this season are not Kadri in the next 5 years without the AVS.

Happy that Hugues said no big ufas , so forget Bergeron Malkin Letang Forsberg Kadri
none of it is happening which is the good decision.

Im scared about Letang .... with Petry almost gone , i sure hope that Hugues dont give Letang big $$$$

 

[ReHabs]

I disagee. This is loser thinking. I would always aim for the ultimate star player even if the chance of finding one is less than 1%.

I would never use a 1st round pick for a 3rd liner. I have seen the same story too many times already: Chipchura, Leblanc, Urquhart, Poehling, McCarron, De la rose, Natinnen I would rather use our best chances to find the next Kucherov, Kaprizov, Gaudreau or Kuznetsov. Stop it with these 3rd line talks, it reminds me so many bad memories of Trevor Timmins and this obession to avoid truly talented forwards. I wanna puke.

Russian players are dramatically undervalued in the NHL and it's a god damn shame because if NHL teams tried maybe 15% more to integrate Russian players (with better scouting, translators, cultural support, etc) they would benefit from a goldmine of talent.

I hope Hughes and Gorton have moved on from Timmins' fetish for Minnesota HS kids.

 

[tazsub3]

Weber will be dealt for sure to Arizona.

seeing their 5k stadium that would probably have 200 fans, and not even their logo, a weber contract is a financial must for that team. I would even say it might be one of the keys to their survival, with weber cap hit, that bring them to floor and his actually salary of 6mil for 4 years, they save about 25.5 million in actual cash vs cap floor. that is beyond huge for them

 

[morhilane]

I disagee. This is loser thinking. I would always aim for the ultimate star player even if the chance of finding one is less than 1%.

I would never use a 1st round pick for a 3rd liner. I have seen the same story too many times already: Chipchura, Leblanc, Urquhart, Poehling, McCarron, De la rose, Natinnen I would rather use our best chances to find the next Kucherov, Kaprizov, Gaudreau or Kuznetsov. Stop it with these 3rd line talks, it reminds me so many bad memories of Trevor Timmins and this obession to avoid truly talented forwards. I wanna puke.

This isn't a loser thinking, it's statistic based on years of NHL drafts results (chance probability, I remember one about quality but I can't find it anymore). Most late 1st round, if they make it to the NHL, are going to top as bottom 6/pair players regardless of their projection at the draft. The first half of the 2nd round has a better track record than 25-30 to produce NHLers actually.

The 4 players you named dropped in the draft. Three had the "Russian Roulette Factor" attached. Gaudreau dropped because of size, but DeBrincat only dropped to the 2nd round. And after DeBrincat, Caufield only dropped out of the top 10. This year, Savoie will be dropping too, but probably not to the end of the 1st round.

The Russians will drop thought. The question is how many teams want to gamble on Miro's cancer on top of him being Russian and getting refused entry to US/Canada a few years ago. He's a top 10 talent in the draft thought.

 

[DAChampion]

Can the Habs actually place both Price and Weber on LTIR?

I disagee. This is loser thinking. I would always aim for the ultimate star player even if the chance of finding one is less than 1%.

I would never use a 1st round pick for a 3rd liner. I have seen the same story too many times already: Chipchura, Leblanc, Urquhart, Poehling, McCarron, De la rose, Natinnen I would rather use our best chances to find the next Kucherov, Kaprizov, Gaudreau or Kuznetsov. Stop it with these 3rd line talks, it reminds me so many bad memories of Trevor Timmins and this obession to avoid truly talented forwards. I wanna puke.

Leblanc's, for example, wasn't drafted to be a third line center. He was drafted to be a second line center. The Habs changed their minds afterwards due to Lefebreism.

 

[JeffreyLFC]

Can the Habs actually place both Price and Weber on LTIR?


Leblanc's, for example, wasn't drafted to be a third line center. He was drafted to be a second line center. The Habs changed their minds afterwards due to Lefebreism.

None of the players I listed were drafted to be on the 3rd line. Maybe Chipchura.. but they were considered safe prospect with higher floor and none of the stayed with the habs. They become AHLer or went on the have ok career.

I want us to be more agressive and aim the players who are oozing talent but are dropping for a reason. Like Russian factor, like being below 5'7 or having not played a prominent role yet on a team, being from an unconventional route. You see the pattern. Focus on the upside instead of their 'floor'.

 

[DAChampion]

None of the players I listed were drafted to be on the 3rd line. Maybe Chipchura.. but they were considered safe prospect with higher floor and none of the stayed with the habs. They become AHLer or went on the have ok career.

I want us to be more agressive and aim the players who are oozing talent but are dropping for a reason. Like Russian factor, like being below 5'7 or having not played a prominent role yet on a team, being from an unconventional route. You see the pattern. Focus on the upside instead of their 'floor'.

I was correcting a specific point but I agree. For the first three or four rounds the Habs should focus entirely on upside, as bottom six forwards and third pairing dmen are available for cheap on the UFA and trade markets all the time.

Though getting guys like Pezetta in this sixth round or Evans in the 7th round is fine.

 

[JeffreyLFC]

This isn't a loser thinking, it's statistic based on years of NHL drafts results (chance probability, I remember one about quality but I can't find it anymore). Most late 1st round, if they make it to the NHL, are going to top as bottom 6/pair players regardless of their projection at the draft. The first half of the 2nd round has a better track record than 25-30 to produce NHLers actually.

The 4 players you named dropped in the draft. Three had the "Russian Roulette Factor" attached. Gaudreau dropped because of size, but DeBrincat only dropped to the 2nd round. And after DeBrincat, Caufield only dropped out of the top 10. This year, Savoie will be dropping too, but probably not to the end of the 1st round.

The Russians will drop thought. The question is how many teams want to gamble on Miro's cancer on top of him being Russian and getting refused entry to US/Canada a few years ago. He's a top 10 talent in the draft thought.

You just answered yourself. Focus on the russian and the smaller players.

You can also add Aho to the list. Anyway so many example of top talent drafted outside the 1st round.

That's where we have a chance to find a 'gem'.

Taking risk is worth it. Drafting player for filling in on the 4th line or become a waver pick is not worth it! We can fill that up with free agency or waiver just like we did with Pitlick.

 

[Kwikwi]

Kadri will be a huge mistake by the team signing him. He's good but his stats this season are not Kadri in the next 5 years without the AVS.

Happy that Hugues said no big ufas , so forget Bergeron Malkin Letang Forsberg Kadri
none of it is happening which is the good decision.

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