Proposal: Trade Proposal Thread: Part 77

[lamp9post]

This isn’t about how he looks versus WHLers. This is about how he looks in isolation. He’s a better skater, puckhandler, decision maker and is just as physical as Romanov.

I like Romanov, but his ceiling is 2nd pairing and he only showed flashes of it last year. I think Guhle can be trusted on a 2nd pairing in the NHL today.

Agreed. Also better size, reach, shot, and positioning.

 

[DAChampion]

Age 23 to 28.

Columbus is very much the Paris of central Ohio.

;-)

In all seriousness, it's got 1.5 million people and I'm sure millionaires can have the time of their lives there.

 

[Indca]

Guys I see all this talk about Dubois, but my big fear is falling in love with one player like how we did that with Dvorak and overpaying for it, we need to have patience and wait for Wright or whoever we develop in house to lead this team.

There are better options available especially if we are rebuilding and not competing next year.

 

[DAChampion]

Guys I see all this talk about Dubois, but my big fear is falling in love with one player like how we did that with Dvorak and overpaying for it, we need to have patience and wait for Wright or whoever we develop in house to lead this team.

There are better options available especially if we are rebuilding and not competing next year.

Did the Habs really overpay for Dvorak?

 

[26Mats]

Did the Habs really overpay for Dvorak?

Late 1st and early 2nd.

Depends on how he plays next year and what we end up getting for him when we move him.

 

[Captain Mountain]

Did the Habs really overpay for Dvorak?

If Montreal finished where it was expected they'd finish (before injuries and trades), then it was. Montreal collapsed though so instead of sending a pick in the 11th to 15th range, they sent Carolina's late 1st.

I doubt Montreal overpays for Dubois. If he really just wants to get paid and go to a different market, he probably doesn't end up a Hab. If he is angling to going to Montreal, I doubt Montreal overpays for him. Trading for guys that want to be in the market without giving up too much was Gorton's thing with the Rangers.

 

[Indca]

If Montreal finished where it was expected they'd finish (before injuries and trades), then it was. Montreal collapsed though so instead of sending a pick in the 11th to 15th range, they sent Carolina's late 1st.

I doubt Montreal overpays for Dubois. If he really just wants to get paid and go to a different market, he probably doesn't end up a Hab. If he is angling to going to Montreal, I doubt Montreal overpays for him. Trading for guys that want to be in the market without giving up too much was Gorton's thing with the Rangers.

Just like how HUGO is getting great value back for guys Traded; I am expecting similar trend when we Buy players.

Best to not go after flashy player and getting some desperate GM to sell low on a player like how MB used to do with Petry, Vanek, Kovalev Trade....

Each time we only paid second round pick; that's the direction I want Hugo to pick....

 

[Captain Mountain]

Just like how HUGO is getting great value back for guys Traded; I am expecting similar trend when we Buy players.

Best to not go after flashy player and getting some desperate GM to sell low on a player like how MB used to do with Petry, Vanek, Kovalev Trade....

Each time we only paid second round pick; that's the direction I want Hugo to pick....

I'm fine with paying a lot for the right guy as long its at the right time. Right now the focus needs to be on building a core, which will take at minimum a couple of years and likely longer.

 

[HuGort]

I'm fine with paying a lot for the right guy as long its at the right time. Right now the focus needs to be on building a core, which will take at minimum a couple of years and likely longer.

If we have the pieces I would trade for Dubois maybe flip him to Jersey for the 2nd? Offer Anderson and Dvorak? If Dubois would fetch the 2nd? Wright, Slaf and Bedard next draft good core to build around

 

[BehindTheTimes]

Guhle will be better then Romanov and it won’t take that much time before that

No he won’t.

Way off with this one. I’d venture to say Guhle is already better than Romanov.

Then thank heavens you’re not in charge.

Hard disagree.

Guhle has at least an edge in every hockey tool or attribute there is. All he lacks compared to Romanov is professional experience.

Skill.

 

[Captain Mountain]

If we have the pieces I would trade for Dubois maybe flip him to Jersey for the 2nd? Offer Anderson and Dvorak? If Dubois would fetch the 2nd? Wright, Slaf and Bedard next draft good core to build around

That's not how the real world works. If Montreal's going to be able to get Dubois for an affordable price, its because he's forcing his way to Montreal. New Jersey also probably isn't looking at Dubois for the pick.

 

[HabzSauce]

Dubois wants the cash, that's it that's all. He says he wants to be seen as a C because he knows Cs get more cash.

I'd happily give him 8M. If he really DOES want to play in Montreal over anywhere else, I can't see him turning that down over a 9M offer somewhere else

 

[Belial]

PLD is overrated IMO. If he really wants to play here he can sign with us when he's UFA, I'm not gutting the team to trade for him.

 

[MolleSon]

Winnipeg doesn't have to trade Dubois this year and won't. What are they going to do with Scheifele and Wheeler is more important to them in a short term span. I think the best scenario for Dubois is the one Murat puts up in his paper in Athletic. Dubois will sign a one year deal (arbitration or negociation) and play his butt out to raise his value.

Also, we dont need Dubois for next year or even the year after IMO. Let's wait and see. If really he's interested and he fits in, pick him up as a free agent. No emergency for now.

 

[hardcorehabs]

Just seeing the Jets only have 6 forwards signed for this year, GM has some work to do!

Maybe they’d take 2 roster players:
Dubois for Anderson + Dvorak + MTL 2nd

Basically a mid first and 2 late firsts.

Decent value?

 

[Merci Saku]

Value hurts when a player gets to choose his destination

Trouba value was high, young and just had a 50pts season and got traded for a late first (20th I think) and Pionk, who was coming off a 26 pts season

Pretty sure most of people here thought he would go for the moon and based on what I’m reading, a lot a people will be surprised

 

[Richiebottles]

Value hurts when a player gets to choose his destination

Trouba value was high, young and just had a 50pts season and got traded for a late first (20th I think) and Pionk, who was coming off a 26 pts season

Pretty sure most of people here thought he would go for the moon and based on what I’m reading, a lot a people will be surprised

I agree, I bet that Chevy moves on from PLD this off season to not go through a CBJ 2.0 situation.

Dubois might not even want to sign an RFA contract till he is dealt to us.

 

[absolute garbage]

The plan for the next 2 seasons should be to suck, draft high and a lot, while unloading contracts to get ready to be competitive starting 2024 with a new and young team. With that in mind trading for Dubois now would be idiotic, but signing him in 2024 would be good timing and possibly make sense (depending what the roster looks like).

 

[FF de Mars]

The plan for the next 2 seasons should be to suck, draft high and a lot, while unloading contracts to get ready to be competitive starting 2024 with a new and young team. With that in mind trading for Dubois now would be idiotic, but signing him in 2024 would be good timing and possibly make sense (depending what the roster looks like).

I really agree but I'm not sure Hugo is going for a rebuild, either rebuild or retool could backfire and we don't have a crystal ball. If you manage to get Dubois for a discount it changes the team dynamics. Personally, I'd rather they send Caufield for the 2OV and Suzuki for the 6OV and 12OV, suck hard; then, sign Dubois in 2024! But if you're keeping the team as it is, you're retooling, and Dubois at a discount really fits in a retool.

 

[Belial]

I really agree but I'm not sure Hugo is going for a rebuild, either rebuild or retool could backfire and we don't have a crystal ball. If you manage to get Dubois for a discount it changes the team dynamics. Personally, I'd rather they send Caufield for the 2OV and Suzuki for the 6OV and 12OV, suck hard; then, sign Dubois in 2024! But if you're keeping the team as it is, you're retooling, and Dubois at a discount really fits in a retool.

Caufield is 21 years old and Suzuki is 22! How much younger do you want to get? Geez... What a terrible plan.

 

[FF de Mars]

Caufield is 21 years old and Suzuki is 22! How much younger do you want to get? Geez... What a terrible plan.

I know it's not a popular plan but that's the only way to do a real rebuild. If you want to retool that's fine.

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

Just seeing the Jets only have 6 forwards signed for this year, GM has some work to do!

Maybe they’d take 2 roster players:
Dubois for Anderson + Dvorak + MTL 2nd

Basically a mid first and 2 late firsts.

Decent value?

If you ask some hab fans Anderson sucks, he's over paid and needs to be traded and Dvorak is a waste.

Looking at their roster the Jets don't have to sign any major rfas aside from Dubois, so they'd have around 8 mill left to sign 4 forwards, that's assuming none of their prospects are ready to make the jump, 1 dman(7th) and 1 goalie.

Whether that deal is bad, or not, it doesn't leave the Jets with enough money to fill out their roster imo.

Habs would need to retain, which is possible, or take back someone like Schmidt which might have value and is too much for the Habs to take back imo.

The problem with the Habs doing this is your centre depth is now PLD, Suzuki and Wright. Great centre depth, but the d still sucks and the crease is a question mark as to who our starter is. Obviously keeping the pick with Dvo and Andy isn't any better, but the Habs still aren't in a good position to compete.

 

[Merci Saku]

I know it's not a popular plan but that's the only way to do a real rebuild. If you want to retool that's fine.

There’s also a good chance that the second overall will not be as good as Caufield and same thing for the 6 and 12 for Suzuki

 

[Belial]

I know it's not a popular plan but that's the only way to do a real rebuild. If you want to retool that's fine.

Why can't Caufield and Suzuki be your rebuild? I don't get the logic.

 

[FF de Mars]

Why can't Caufield and Suzuki be your rebuild? I don't get the logic.

Because they are too good for the team to suck. Because of timing. Because they will garner blue chip prospects. The team is already overloaded with salary, if you take them away, you're still over the floor. Let the deadwood burn, draft wisely, leave your prospects in the minors, then you'll have a team.