Proposal: Trade Proposal Thread: Part 77

[FF de Mars]

You don’t know if a centre that got over 60 points in his 3rd season and is trusted in all situations is not a slam dunk? Team playoff scoring leader as a rookie and 2nd year player. That’s not a slam dunk 1st line centre?

Yeah I’d say your definition is way off.

A slam dunk 1st line center is something else than a 60 points player. Suzuki is not a slam dunk and you don't know if he will reach his ceilling. It looks like he might and I'm glad to have him, if it's for the best of the team. What makes you think he's not the next Koivu?

And you're willing to trade them for even less probability?

Magic beans seem to be your favorite meal.

Jesus compared mustard seeds to the kingdom of god, that's kind of like magic beans. You can say they are my favourite meal. You might not agree with my plan but you can't call it crazy. Stacking that many high picks, letting them hatch, trade more players, draft high again, there's good probabilities it could work. Sure it's out of the box, but I think we could potentially have a contender if that happened instead of a perpetual bubble team.

 

[lamp9post]

Skill.

Yeah...pretty vague criteria there...

 

[Habricot]

A slam dunk 1st line center is something else than a 60 points player. Suzuki is not a slam dunk and you don't know if he will reach his ceilling. It looks like he might and I'm glad to have him, if it's for the best of the team. What makes you think he's not the next Koivu?



Jesus compared mustard seeds to the kingdom of god, that's kind of like magic beans. You can say they are my favourite meal. You might not agree with my plan but you can't call it crazy. Stacking that many high picks, letting them hatch, trade more players, draft high again, there's good probabilities it could work. Sure it's out of the box, but I think we could potentially have a contender if that happened instead of a perpetual bubble team.

Both Suzuki and Dubois are progressing very well and will reach the 70pts per season pretty soon IMO. What I would like about this combo is the fact they are completely different type of players.

 

[morhilane]

PLD doesn't suffer from mental illness like Drouin. You don't know in which circonstances that quote came out. I suspect the Jets management wanted him to sign long term and he just said no. It's so easy to throw him under the bus but in reality we are not in the room where it happens!

I'm not saying he has anxiety problems, but he clearly has some issues with the way he quit on Columbus during a game and nobody on his team or management knew what was going on with him. He also didn't ask for a trade right away after that, he just sulked on the ice (and probably off ice).

After being traded to Winnipeg, he played uninspired all season long and in the playoffs. He looked better this year, but he clearly doesn't want to stay there with the latest part to his drama-life.

He apparently wants to come to Montréal (or a big market), but what happens if he can't handle it or doesn't like it either? What else is left for him, try every teams in the league to find one he likes?

Him telling the Jets he is going to UFA in 2 years is actually nice of him, they can try to trade him instead of losing him for nothing. But there is zero reason to break the bank for a guy who could quit on you in less than 2 years.

 

[FF de Mars]

I'm not saying he has anxiety problems, but he clearly has some issues with the way he quit on Columbus during a game and nobody on his team or management knew what was going on with him. He also didn't ask for a trade right away after that, he just sulked on the ice (and probably off ice).

After being traded to Winnipeg, he played uninspired all season long and in the playoffs. He looked better this year, but he clearly doesn't want to stay there with the latest part to his drama-life.

He apparently wants to come to Montréal (or a big market), but what happens if he can't handle it or doesn't like it either? What else is left for him, try every teams in the league to find one he likes?

Him telling the Jets he is going to UFA in 2 years is actually nice of him, they can try to trade him instead of losing him for nothing. But there is zero reason to break the bank for a guy who could quit on you in less than 2 years.

His "attitude" problem, for lack of a better word, has lowered his value. If Hugo wants to "retool", for lack of a better word, there is no better option. You get a top end player in exchange of a bundle. To me it's a no brainer, thank your star he actually wants to play here. He could bolt, but that's a risk you have to take. You're getting him for less than what he's actually worth.

 

[Belial]

Jesus compared mustard seeds to the kingdom of god, that's kind of like magic beans. You can say they are my favourite meal. You might not agree with my plan but you can't call it crazy. Stacking that many high picks, letting them hatch, trade more players, draft high again, there's good probabilities it could work. Sure it's out of the box, but I think we could potentially have a contender if that happened instead of a perpetual bubble team.

It's crazy cuz you basically don't take any other aspects of the game into count apart young talent.

 

[FF de Mars]

It's crazy cuz you basically don't take any other aspects of the game into count apart young talent.

That's not true. I never said to trade all the vets. You trade what is valuable. You keep the other vets.

 

[Galaxydoggystyle]

A slam dunk 1st line center is something else than a 60 points player. Suzuki is not a slam dunk and you don't know if he will reach his ceilling. It looks like he might and I'm glad to have him, if it's for the best of the team. What makes you think he's not the next Koivu?



Jesus compared mustard seeds to the kingdom of god, that's kind of like magic beans. You can say they are my favourite meal. You might not agree with my plan but you can't call it crazy. Stacking that many high picks, letting them hatch, trade more players, draft high again, there's good probabilities it could work. Sure it's out of the box, but I think we could potentially have a contender if that happened instead of a perpetual bubble team.

No one agrees with your plan because it sucks period.

 

[FF de Mars]

No one agrees with your plan because it sucks period.

You don't know that. Maybe someone agrees but haven't read it yet. Maybe it sucks but maybe it doesn't suck. You are not omniscient.

 

[BigDaddyLurch]

...Drouin quit on his team in Tampa...Bargain Bin got schooled by Yzerman and he ended up here...quit on his team here while they were on their first Finals run in 28 years...

...Dubois quit on his team in Columbus...gets traded...and has already waived the White Flag in the 'Peg with two years left on his deal, ffs...

...yeah, let's continue the trend of trading for quitters because their last name has local flavor...

...I swear, some "fans" of this team would rather win praise from the you-know-what Party than win Cups, ffs...makes me sick...

 

[Galaxydoggystyle]

...Drouin quit on his team in Tampa...Bargain Bin got schooled by Yzerman and he ended up here...quit on his team here while they were on their first Finals run in 28 years...

...Dubois quit on his team in Columbus...gets traded...and has already waived the White Flag in the 'Peg with two years left on his deal, ffs...

...yeah, let's continue the trend of trading for quitters because their last name has local flavor...

...I swear, some "fans" of this team would rather win praise from the you-know-what Party than win Cups, ffs...makes me sick...

Dubs is a RFA he actually doesn't have a contract with the Jets until he goes through arbitration. I think he did the Jets a favor to be honest. You remember what Tavares did to the Islanders and there fans? Said he was going to sign with the Islanders right up until he signed with the Leafs.

 

[BigDaddyLurch]

Dubs is a RFA he actually doesn't have a contract with the Jets until he goes through arbitration. I think he did the Jets a favor to be honest. You remember what Tavares did to the Islanders and there fans? Said he was going to sign with the Islanders right up until he signed with the Leafs.

...apologies, my mistake...rest of the post, I do not apologize for...

 

[Galaxydoggystyle]

You don't know that. Maybe someone agrees but haven't read it yet. Maybe it sucks but maybe it doesn't suck. You are not omniscient.

Dude you have been spouting off trading Caufield and Suzuki like its some genius idea. You need to give your head a shake because those ideas are so damn bad and you have been trying to defend that dumb idea from other Habs fans and not ONE person has agreed with you out of how many Hab fans on these boards?

 

[FF de Mars]

Dude you have been spouting off trading Caufield and Suzuki like its some genius idea. You need to give your head a shake because those ideas are so damn bad and you have been trying to defend that dumb idea from other Habs fans and not ONE person has agreed with you out of how many Hab fans on these boards?

It doesn't mean no one agrees with it. What's your point?

 

[Galaxydoggystyle]

It doesn't mean no one agrees with it. What's your point?

It actually does. Check any post you have made about trading Suzuki and Caufield and see if there has been any likes on them. I am more of a straight forward poster compared to the other posters on this subreddit that have kind of tried to engage in your trade Suzuki and Caufield and I think they are just trying to be nice but honestly I think everyone on this Habs board thinks you are just plain wrong.

 

[Belial]

That's not true. I never said to trade all the vets. You trade what is valuable. You keep the other vets.

So you trade all the good players and keep all the players that suck! Great environment you got there to develop your young players.

 

[JoelWarlord]

The last few pages of this thread

 

[Belial]

The last few pages of this thread

Not really, it's mainly one poster.

 

[FF de Mars]

It actually does. Check any post you have made about trading Suzuki and Caufield and see if there has been any likes on them. I am more of a straight forward poster compared to the other posters on this subreddit that have kind of tried to engage in your trade Suzuki and Caufield and I think they are just trying to be nice but honestly I think everyone on this Habs board thinks you are just plain wrong.

Thanks. Gotta go to bed. I didn't mean to troll, I just mentioned it again, on the side, on a Dubois trade idea; and it caught fire. Maybe the fact it's catching fire means something though, but I get your point, it's not a popular idea. Building pipelines wasn't a popular idea too but we could have sold gaz to Europe instead of them financing the war in Ukraine. Popular ideas aren't always right and unpopular ideas aren't always wrong. I'm getting pulled into this debate but I don't need to keep on talking about it. Maybe it's my fault and I shouldn't have mentioned it when I was talking about Dubois and hinted I would rather a rebuild than a retool for lack of better words but thought getting Dubois was a great idea too just a step in a different direction. Thanks for your kindness.

 

[BigDaddyLurch]

The last few pages of this thread

 

[nostradamus23]

You don't know that. Maybe someone agrees but haven't read it yet. Maybe it sucks but maybe it doesn't suck. You are not omniscient.

Just read it. It sucks!

 

[blarneylad]

You have a point. I'm proning a scorched earth strategy. Had the Persians scorched the earth, they would have stopped Alexander! Instead they lost their empire.

Interesting take, I wouldn’t do it myself.

Caufield could be a point per game 30-40 goal guy. He also appears to me to be the type that elevates the game of those around him offensively speaking.

Trading him to get Slaf, could be good could be bad. I’d rather keep what we know we have vs what we could have.

Interesting take for sure. But I would rather keep Caufield and Suzuki

I would also aim to acquire PLD. Anderson and late 1st as part of package.

He would slide to LW and possibly form an unreal 1st line. But preferably on Wright’s wing. Where he can slide with Wright for center responsibilities to help Wright while also providing size on his wing. Help in the face off circle etc.

Habs won’t completely tank next season my suspicion PLD or not they are in the 5-12 range at the next draft. Another good prospect is added and Wright’s rookie season is done.

Following year you go hunting ufa and Suzuki, Caufield, Wright and PLD as core up front are all a year older and likely taken new steps in their careers. Team could be ready for a playoff push (not saying contention) by 23-24

 

[RC51]

clearly PMD wants OUT. He wants to be a hab. Wont sign any new contracts with Jets. Will walk asap. So why do the Habs need to PAY anything right now. Habs should just wait until the JETS GET NOTHING. PMD cant wait to slam the door behind him on the JETS. Make a deal with the habs now and we can part friends, DON'T AND WE WON"T.

 

[HuGort]

That's not how the real world works. If Montreal's going to be able to get Dubois for an affordable price, its because he's forcing his way to Montreal. New Jersey also probably isn't looking at Dubois for the pick.

I doubt they move the pick for Dubois. I know I wouldn't give up 18 year old Cooley for Dubois

 

[Beer and Chips]

Can't think Molson is too eager for the team to sign another big ticket player while he is still paying for past mistakes and there is a young star to be signed.