Proposal: Trade Proposal Thread: Part 77

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Hope not but PLD may be a luxury in 2 years time, not a necessity.
I’d be really really happy if we had to worry about having too many luxuries because we have the necessities. I think he’ll play a style that’s valuable to us at that price point, but I guess who knows!
 
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PLD could very easily just sign with a team that will pay him more and play him at center in 2 years. If you like the player you make the trade. He won’t take us out of the Bedard sweepstakes since we will be trading away Petry, Anderson and possibly Allen and Dvorak (no need with Wright/Suzuki/PLD).
 
“Don’t sign or acquire the good player in case it derails our team’s excellent drafting and development process with which we’ve had so much success”

Some of you guys are too attached to tanking for the sake of tanking
 
“Don’t sign or acquire the good player in case it derails our team’s excellent drafting and development process with which we’ve had so much success”

Some of you guys are too attached to tanking for the sake of tanking
and you are too attached to an overrated second center who whines on the ice and already wanted out on 2 teams with a terrible pedigree overall.

He's been like that since the LHJMQ. Dubois is not even worth 5.5m a season. Dude thinks he deserves everything.

Id rather take my chance with the lottery draft if we had a choice.

Rather wait in 2 years what kind of Ufa will be available than jump on the new Jonathan Drouin.
 
and you are too attached to an overrated second center who whines on the ice and already wanted out on 2 teams with a terrible pedigree overall.

He's been like that since the LHJMQ. Dubois is not even worth 5.5m a season. Dude thinks he deserves everything.

Id rather take my chance with the lottery draft if we had a choice.

Rather wait in 2 years what kind of Ufa will be available than jump on the new Jonathan Drouin.
I have very little interest in PLD actually. I don’t think he’s an impact player like I think eg Laine is.

My point is more general: a 60pt+ under25 NHLer is worth a lot more than any draft pick (very likely even top5 picks).
 
I’d rather keep Guhle and trade up to draft an offensive Dmen to go with Guhle. Someone like Korchinski etc..
I’d rather have Nemec. Guhle is very boring. I wouldn’t be necessarily shopping Guhle, but if it helps acquire a better, younger player, then I’m all over it.

I don’t care much for Guhle tbh. He’s a physically mature kid that should be completely dominating junior. He won’t have any advantage there in the pros and toolset is very meh.
 
I thought the NHL had already committed to only 1M/yr increases until the balance was paid?

There was revenue targets attached to it. If they pay if off faster, the 50/50 revenue split kicks in again and they will have to evaluate how they adjust it (Escrow will have to be adjusted). I believe they are ahead of schedule after last season. $5.2B of revenue is more than their $4.8B projection they picked when the CBA and payment schedule was introduced. And Covid even derailed parts of this season so next season is likely around $5.5B or more. In 19/20 there was a report on revenue and salary cap (before covid) and I believe that revenue was $5B and with a $84M - $88M salary cap.

After next season, they are probably close to being paid off. Kind of like a mortgage but if you top up your payments, your end date of paying off your mortgage ends sooner.

This is a snap shot of their MOU... $4.8B was the threshold and they are above it now with $5.2B this past year. So if it goes higher next year and the balance is paid off. The $1M salary cap increase year to year no longer applies. It's written below that they agreed to discuss in good faith on the upper limit and there is also a smooth out factor so the system is not shocked. I can see a $85M salary cap after next season if revenue is $5.5B or more. Then around $90M for the 24/25 season. That's much better than $83.5M for 23/24 and then $90M for 24/25. A $7M bump will shock the system

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There was revenue targets attached to it. If they pay if off faster, the 50/50 revenue split kicks in again and they will have to evaluate how they adjust it (Escrow will have to be adjusted). I believe they are ahead of schedule after last season. $5.2B of revenue is more than their $4.8B projection they picked when the CBA and payment schedule was introduced. And Covid even derailed parts of this season so next season is likely around $5.5B or more. In 19/20 there was a report on revenue and salary cap (before covid) and I believe that revenue was $5B and with a $84M - $88M salary cap.

After next season, they are probably close to being paid off. Kind of like a mortgage but if you top up your payments, your end date of paying off your mortgage ends sooner.

This is a snap shot of their MOU... $4.8B was the threshold and they are above it now with $5.2B this past year. So if it goes higher next year and the balance is paid off. The $1M salary cap increase year to year no longer applies.

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The league has done well, after a short season of for the most part, of ZERO revenue.................I was very surprised to hear the revenue jump over 5B................the players are very fortunate here.
 
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As for PLD, are you guys thinking he has been leaning towards going ufa so he can play for the Habs, or is he leaning towards a huge payday with anyone?
Why is there always an issue with where he plays, and how much he plays for? The kid is what, 23-24? There are Red Flags.
 
The league has done well, after a short season of for the most part, of ZERO revenue.................I was very surprised to hear the revenue jump over 5B................the players are very fortunate here.

I was here talking about it. I said once fans are in the seats, the new US TV revenue, and Seattle reveune will quickly get us back on track and exceed the 19/20 point in time before Covid derailed things.

We seen it in the last lockouts. Fans get denied hockey and once it's back, they flood back in. Bettman talked about this as well and he wasn't wrong.

Some fans I was debating with didn't understand the conservative numbers they had to project. Projecting bloated numbers would have complicated things between the NHL and NHLPA in terms of salary cap and escrow. They had no choice but to project conservative numbers.
 
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There was revenue targets attached to it. If they pay if off faster, the 50/50 revenue split kicks in again and they will have to evaluate how they adjust it (Escrow will have to be adjusted). I believe they are ahead of schedule after last season. $5.2B of revenue is more than their $4.8B projection they picked when the CBA and payment schedule was introduced. And Covid even derailed parts of this season so next season is likely around $5.5B or more. In 19/20 there was a report on revenue and salary cap (before covid) and I believe that revenue was $5B and with a $84M - $88M salary cap.

After next season, they are probably close to being paid off. Kind of like a mortgage but if you top up your payments, your end date of paying off your mortgage ends sooner.

This is a snap shot of their MOU... $4.8B was the threshold and they are above it now with $5.2B this past year. So if it goes higher next year and the balance is paid off. The $1M salary cap increase year to year no longer applies. It's written below that they agreed to discuss in good faith on the upper limit and there is also a smooth out factor so the system is not shocked. I can see a $85M salary cap after next season if revenue is $5.5B or more. Then around $90M for the 24/25 season. That's much better than $83.5M for 23/24 and then $90M for 24/25. A $7M bump will shock the system

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The question is how much is the escrow balance and how long will it take to be paid off. This season the players paid 17.2 %, next season that drops to 10%, the season after is 6%. If the 50/50 HRR is more than players salaries it helps pay it off sooner as well. Bettman said it’ll be 2-3 years before the cap goes back up at a regular rate, which is sooner than some people had expected.

As a note the cap can’t jump up $7 million per year, it’s limited to a 5% max increase per year.



 
The question is how much is the escrow balance and how long will it take to be paid off. This season the players paid 17.2 %, next season that drops to 10%, the season after is 6%. If the 50/50 HRR is more than players salaries it helps pay it off sooner as well. Bettman said it’ll be 2-3 years before the cap goes back up at a regular rate, which is sooner than some people had expected.

As a note the cap can’t jump up $7 million per year, it’s limited to a 5% max increase per year.





Yup, it's all in the MOU. I think after this season, they are close to being paid off. Why? Cause the revenue will be $5.5B or higher. This season was $5.2B and Covid even derailed parts of it. If it approaches $6B, things change from their previous agreement and it's even written in the MOU that they have to discuss in good faith on the upper limit and not to shock the system.

Hard to predict but the higher the revenue goes, the more their MOU has to be adjusted. Bettman is not going to release optimistic narratives. It's not his style in business.

Most will think the cap will be $83.5M for 23/24 but I think it will be $85M. Then around $90M for 24/25.
 
As for PLD, are you guys thinking he has been leaning towards going ufa so he can play for the Habs, or is he leaning towards a huge payday with anyone?
Why is there always an issue with where he plays, and how much he plays for? The kid is what, 23-24? There are Red Flags.
My guess... I think he wants the payday from whatever medium-large market gives it to him and promises he can play center.
 
I have very little interest in PLD actually. I don’t think he’s an impact player like I think eg Laine is.

My point is more general: a 60pt+ under25 NHLer is worth a lot more than any draft pick (very likely even top5 picks).

Not if they have 2 years until UFA and have declared their intentions to test the market.
 
Be very, very careful. Signing and overpaying for Dubois in 2024 could destroy our rebuild and contract situations the same way it did for the Leafs when they signed Tavares.
I dont think we will have to give Caufield 10m+ (like Marner and Mathews), Suzuki is already signed, etc, dont see a problem giving Dubois 8m+...
 
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I have very little interest in PLD actually. I don’t think he’s an impact player like I think eg Laine is.

My point is more general: a 60pt+ under25 NHLer is worth a lot more than any draft pick (very likely even top5 picks).
The timing's wrong though. The under25 NHLer that you mention is at a different point in his contract negotiating power. PLD for example is in his 2nd contract and close to getting a massive 3rd contract. The Leafs made the mistake of signing a better player in Tavares when they were at a much more competitive stage in their rebuild than us. They didn't have to trade assets like we would for PLD but they should have continued to rebuild organically as the Tavares contract has hurt their cap flexibility.

We're too many years away from contending to trade significant assets for a non-star player about to hit the jackpot.
 
For PLD, there does seem to be some smoke that he wants to be in MTL, it could be as simple as he wants to be close to home who knows, but Dreger was on 690 this morning and said keep an eye on montreal for that one. When he was trying to leave Columbus it was known montreal was his preferred destination, he's friends with Andy's. I think there's definitely a shitload of smoke that he wants to play in Montreal for whatever reason, kinda like Fox years ago.

If Hughes could get PLD I do wonder if he considers drafting Slaf as opposed to Wright.

But seriously no one can tell me that a top 6 that has

Suzuki, Caufield, Anderson, PLD and Eventually Wright, Slaf or Cooley wouldn't be the most talented lineup we've had in a generation

The timing's wrong though. PLD is in his 2nd contract and close to getting a massive 3rd contract. The Leafs made the mistake of signing a better player in Tavares when they were at a much more competitive stage in their rebuild. They didn't have to trade assets like we would for PLD but they should have continued to rebuild organically as the Tavares contract has hurt their cap flexibility.

We're too many years away from contending to trade significant assets for a non-star player about to hit the jackpot.
Well it depends, what are the assets needed, PLD is now known that he wants to be traded teams may be less willing to give up big assets so if it's a Prospect + the CGY 1st and maybe a 3rd I'd be down for it
 
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