HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #88: 2024 Off-Season Thread

[CDN24]

Why not Seider and Raymond instead?

Det has the space to match so unlikely to be successful. Also you are kind of limited to a 5 yr deal like the aho attempt otherwise you will be in the 4 1st rounder compensation level. The compensation is calculated based on total contract value over the number of years or 5 whichever is lower. So If you offersheet Seider at 8.5M for 8 years, the compensation is not calculated on 8.5M but rather 8.5*8/5 which is 13.6M and subject to 4 1st round picks.

Edit, the offersheet works best on a promising player coming off ELC who has not really proved it yet. You can over pay on a 2-3 yr contract and keep the compensation reasonable. What Blues just did and what Carolina tried with KK.

 

[WeThreeKings]

Det has the space to match so unlikely to be successful. Also you are kind of limited to a 5 yr deal like the aho attempt otherwise you will be in the 4 1st rounder compensation level. The compensation is calculated based on total contract value over the number of years or 5 whichever is lower. So If you offersheet Seider at 8.5M for 8 years, the compensation is not calculated on 8.5M but rather 8.5*8/5 which is 13.6M and subject to 4 1st round picks.

Edit, the offersheet works best on a promising player coming off ELC who has not really proved it yet. You can over pay on a 2-3 yr contract and keep the compensation reasonable. What Blues just did and what Carolina tried with KK.

And then we'd put ourselves in a position where Detroit is mad and we could have any number of young talented players being in an OS potential situation.. that's what MB miscalculated, the comp wasn't high enough, the contract wasn't high enough, and it was an easy match but just enough to piss off Carolina.

 

[Kudo Shinichi]

I wonder if Oilers will let Broberg walk and then trade a pick for a habs dman

 

[JoelWarlord]

Why not Seider and Raymond instead?

Man. why not.

There's no real opportunity to do it. Detroit has the cap to match any realistic offer sheet so you'd have to be into the 4x1st level which defeats the purpose (and they probably still match if it's Seider).

The value just doesn't really work since Detroit is currently trying to get those guys a little cheaper than their market value but would be totally fine paying them market value or even a little above under a rising cap with no other big contracts coming up. These offer sheets are tough for Edmonton because Holloway and Broberg were both valuable pieces to the Oilers under the assumption they'd sign a typical cheap RFA deal, but now that they're not actually cheap they become less valuable and the picks are more tempting.

In the Detroit case they'd be totally willing to "overpay" Raymond and Seider if that's what it came to, I guess you could argue it's beneficial to force a competitor to overpay a bit but probably not worth it if that puts a target on you for the Demidov extension.

 

[Treb]

I wonder if Oilers will let Broberg walk and then trade a pick for a habs dman

Not sure they would trade Savard early, so that would be Harris?

Not sure the interest is there.

 

[morhilane]

I wonder if Oilers will let Broberg walk and then trade a pick for a habs dman

They have 7 dmen signed on their roster without Broberg.

 

[WeThreeKings]

Not sure they would trade Savard early, so that would be Harris?

Not sure the interest is there.

Should be - cheap contract, great in the room, and a very good player to have on your 3rd pair.

 

[LaP]

If Edmonton match both they'll have to trade Kane and Ceci/Kulak

Honestly they should match and pay picks to trade away players who did not do good in playoffs last year.

 

[SwiftyHab]

 

[Saundies]

I like it. Offersheets should be more prevalent.

I never understood the fear of becoming a pariah to other GMs. Do you want to win? Do you want to screw your rivals out of winning? Offersheet.

Big FAs never make it to FA anymore and it seems like GMs are scared to death of trading anyone of significance (probably more so now after trading Tkachuk essentially sunk Calgary and helped win FLA the cup).

 

[Garry Valk]

Take Kulak back, add a pick. Go get it Kent!

 

[A Loyal Demidog]

Oilers should match Broberg and trade him to us for Harris and a pick. Win win.

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

I like it. Offersheets should be more prevalent.

I never understood the fear of becoming a pariah to other GMs. Do you want to win? Do you want to screw your rivals out of winning? Offersheet.

Big FAs never make it to FA anymore and it seems like GMs are scared to death of trading anyone of significance (probably more so now after trading Tkachuk essentially sunk Calgary and helped win FLA the cup).

I doubt the Tkachuk trade would affect anything. What sank Calgary was the owner refusing to rebuild. They could have got good value for Tkachuk if they took prospects and draft picks.

 

[WeThreeKings]

Oilers should match Broberg and trade him to us for Harris and a pick. Win win.

I don't think you can trade someone you match an OS for an entire season.

 

[calder candidate]

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Oilers should match Broberg and trade him to us for Harris and a pick. Win win.

If they match they can’t trade him for 1 year…

 

[A Loyal Demidog]

Lmao St. Louis burned the Oilers. Welcome back (not), Bowman.

 

[salbutera]

I don't see why we would be interested in Letang unless they take back one of Gallagher or Anderson without retention. Letang is 37 and still signed for 4 more years. If Mailloux and Reinbacher both develop as NHLer that would be an issue.

Gotta be BS - 4-years left @ $6.1M??? For a 37yr old ?? Really?

 

[BLONG7]

Gotta be BS - 4-years left @ $6.1M??? For a 37yr old ?? Really?

There is no way Letang fits, as to what we are trying to do..............no way.
Age is awful and the salary is worse......and the term? That's bad folks, reeks of a Marc Bergevin type of GM.
Pittsburgh are an aging mess...............Crosby needs out of there asap.

 

[The Real Timo]

Take Kulak back, add a pick. Go get it Kent!

YES!!! Bring the legendary Brett Kulak back where he belongs.

 

[salbutera]

There is no way Letang fits, as to what we are trying to do..............no way.
Age is awful and the salary is worse......and the term? That's bad folks, reeks of a Marc Bergevin type of GM.
Pittsburgh are an aging mess...............Crosby needs out of there asap.

hasn’t been extended as of Aug 13…

 

[schwang26]

I'm done with tanking but I don't see an urgency to sign/trade for vets. We're entering our window to improve, however our window to contend is still three/four years away. Let our highly-ranked U25 core develop. Progress will happen and we'll win a few more games.

Yes, we'll need to add vets between now and then, but only those who fit the same timeline as Demidov, Reinbacher, Hutson, etc. If players in the right age and talent bracket aren't available this season, Hughes can wait until next year.

My feeling is Vets are probably getting added to the bottom 6 next year. Especially the 4th line. I like a lot of the prospects that we have who project as bottom 6, but you can’t have a 4th line of 22 year olds. It just won’t work if you hope to compete.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Take Kulak back, add a pick. Go get it Kent!

Let’s give them back Hutson.

 

[Egresch]

My feeling is Vets are probably getting added to the bottom 6 next year. Especially the 4th line. I like a lot of the prospects that we have who project as bottom 6, but you can’t have a 4th line of 22 year olds. It just won’t work if you hope to compete.

What about 1st line at 23 year old average, can it work? Just asking for a friend

 

[Rapala]

My feeling is Vets are probably getting added to the bottom 6 next year. Especially the 4th line. I like a lot of the prospects that we have who project as bottom 6, but you can’t have a 4th line of 22 year olds. It just won’t work if you hope to compete.

I disagree the fourth line is where you want your kids to excel at a specific duties.
It's far easier to graduate a kid to start on a fourth line.
You don't do it if your not going to roll four lines but Suzuki started on four as did Danault.
I have no problems with Beck and Flojack starting on four by next season.

 

[LaP]

Lmao St. Louis burned the Oilers. Welcome back (not), Bowman.

Honestly not sure about that.

I mean Kulak is on an expiring contract and there's only 2 years remaining to Kane (including this one). Oilers are in a win now situation they could match and trade a 2026 pick with Kulak for future consideration and a 2027 pick with Kane for future consideration.

Kulak is nothing special Broberg should be better this year. Kane had a terrible playoffs run last year. There's a good chance Holloway will give you close to what Kane did but with a better attitude. Kane will be 32 this season and in playofs last year he looked done wont be surprise if he hits a wall this year.