HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #88: 2024 Off-Season Thread

[ZUKI]

He was acquired for a cap dump and a fourth round pick 24 months ago.

so what ...lol It was 24 months ago as you said, not today. His role has changed, his 96 points in 130 games played here change his value. he's doubled his offensive production . Anyway, if a GM makes a bad trade, it doesn't mean that the next GM has also to do a bad trade

 

[CHfan1]

Barron is also waiver eligible now and the Habs have too many Ds.

Getting a 1st pick instead gives them more flexibility.
It's a pick. They might get something better, or not.
Or they could use it in another trade.

Depends how you see Barron, i guess. I think they should try to get something of value for him before it's too late.
But i've never been a fan, so i might be biased.

I disagree Montreal has too defencemen. They currently have too many left shot defenceman, which they’ll have to figure out, but they don’t have enough right shot defenceman to just trade away a player like Barron.

Right now they have Savard, who is an UFA after this season, and some prospects (which obviously includes a, hopefully, very good player in Reinbacher). This has resulted in players like Guhle having to play his off side which isn’t ideal.

I think they have to give Barron some more time to see if he is able to develop into a consistent NHL player.

 

[BLONG7]

I disagree Montreal has too defencemen. They currently have too many left shot defenceman, which they’ll have to figure out, but they don’t have enough right shot defenceman too just trade away a player like Barron.

Right now they have Savard, who is an UFA after this season, and some prospects (which obviously includes a, hopefully, very good player in Reinbacher). This has resulted in players like Guhle having to play his off side which isn’t ideal.

I think they have to give Barron some more time to see if he is able to develop into a consistent NHL player.

Good post................sometime, some common sense goes a long way.
The hate for a 22 yr old Dman, who has already played 90 plus games, is beyond brutal.....

 

[CTHabsfan]

He was acquired for a cap dump and a fourth round pick 24 months ago.

Matheson was acquired along with a 4th-round pick for Jeff Petry (not a cap dump) and Ryan Poehling.

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

According to PuckPedia, taking on 3.25M is worth 41st OA, and that's like if Ceci has absolutely 0 value on ice. Like dead money.
If you think he should be paid minimum salary, then that 49th OA.
I know the Oilers are in a bit of a jam, but asking a 1st might be pushing it.
And there should be more than one team willing to take him on, so that helps the Oilers.

The problem is the pick is likely to be in the 50+ range. If none of the teams with cap space need a d then Ceci is just a problem for them. Of course it only takes one team to be willing to make a deal with a 2nd involved.

 

[Tyson]

The problem is the pick is likely to be in the 50+ range. If none of the teams with cap space need a d then Ceci is just a problem for them. Of course it only takes one team to be willing to make a deal with a 2nd involved.

Taking Ceci's salary for a 2nd round pick sounds like an asinine strategy.

 

[LaP]

According to PuckPedia, taking on 3.25M is worth 41st OA, and that's like if Ceci has absolutely 0 value on ice. Like dead money.
If you think he should be paid minimum salary, then that 49th OA.
I know the Oilers are in a bit of a jam, but asking a 1st might be pushing it.
And there should be more than one team willing to take him on, so that helps the Oilers.

Ceci wont go for a 1st. He's worth probably s 2nd at the deadline so if you get a 2nd for taking his contract then it's likely two 2nd round picks in return after the deadline. A team will surely bite for a 2nd.

 

[sampollock]

Taking Ceci's salary for a 2nd round pick sounds like an asinine strategy.

so agree... why???? for a 2nd.. waste of time

 

[SwiftyHab]

Good post................sometime, some common sense goes a long way.
The hate for a 22 yr old Dman, who has already played 90 plus games, is beyond brutal.....

It’s not hard. If he doesn’t win a Norris after his first game he’s a bust.

 

[Tyson]

so agree... why???? for a 2nd.. waste of time

Since a large percentage of 2nd round picks don't even make it. You are right...waste of time and cap space

 

[vokiel]

I disagree Montreal has too defencemen. They currently have too many left shot defenceman, which they’ll have to figure out, but they don’t have enough right shot defenceman too just trade away a player like Barron.

Right now they have Savard, who is an UFA after this season, and some prospects (which obviously includes a, hopefully, very good player in Reinbacher). This has resulted in players like Guhle having to play his off side which isn’t ideal.

I think they have to give Barron some more time to see if he is able to develop into a consistent NHL player.

Left handed dman can play on the right. Guhle did it a lot already. Struble can do it. We're not tied up because of lack of right handed dmen.

We're more tied up because some dmen we ice aren't up to the level, and then some of our vets... (you know who) ... fumble too much.

 

[KevSkillz4]

Trading Mailloux will be a huge mistake.

He have too much potential. He can develop into a truly beast if he continue to develop his all around game.

 

[jrom]

I think it's a given that they'd match anything under the 4.58 threshold. Anything above that and we'd have to give up our unprotected 1st for this upcoming season which seems like a disaster.

I think the added “challenge” now for those kind of deals is that they will want a vet on-board with coming here e.g. no Dadonov that just coasted until the TDL.

 

[ReHabs]

I mean, you can’t do anything with unused cap space… if they don’t have any plans for the cap space, they can take Ceci and a 2nd and 3rd then bury him in the AHL if he’s not one of the top7. Easy.

 

[vokiel]

I mean, you can’t do anything with unused cap space… if they don’t have any plans for the cap space, they can take Ceci and a 2nd and 3rd then bury him in the AHL if he’s not one of the top7. Easy.

If Molson doesn't want to spend, cap space makes no difference.

 

[CHfan1]

Left handed dman can play on the right. Guhle did it a lot already. Struble can do it. We're not tied up because of lack of right handed dmen.

We're more tied up because some dmen we ice aren't up to the level, and then some of our vets... (you know who) ... fumble too much.

Sure they can but it’s a lot more difficult for defenceman to play their off side. It isn’t ideal to have Guhle playing the right side, he’s there because of the lack of options at this point in Montreal’s rebuild.

 

[vokiel]

Sure they can but it’s a lot more difficult for defenceman to play their off side. It isn’t ideal to have Guhle playing the right side, he’s there because of the lack of options at this point in Montreal’s rebuild.

A good development experience then.

It's unfortunately simple for me. Justin comes to camp chewing grenades and shitting RPGs, or he rides the short bus to Laval

I'd rather play someone on his off-hand than ice a player who's not up to the level.

The same applies for Harris.

 

[ReHabs]

If Molson doesn't want to spend, cap space makes no difference.

Since when has Molson not accepted to spend to the cap or even beyond it? It’s simply not a topic.

 

[vokiel]

Since when has Molson not accepted to spend to the cap or even beyond it? It’s simply not a topic.

A couple of seasons ago.. or since the cap went above 80 million, I remember Habs not spending up to the cap.

 

[Rapala]

Barron is also waiver eligible now and the Habs have too many Ds.

Getting a 1st pick instead gives them more flexibility.
It's a pick. They might get something better, or not.
Or they could use it in another trade.

Depends how you see Barron, i guess. I think they should try to get something of value for him before it's too late.
But i've never been a fan, so i might be biased.

I appreciate your honesty.
I get the Barron bias I really do. The original hype including what Sydney Crosby had to say about him hasn't yet come to fruition.
Instead we all saw a big clumsy guy who has tools but was falling over himself who didn't use his size properly and who lacked confidence.
This was not the Barron I saw finishing up the season in Laval. Heck look at the goal he scored against Detroit.

I'm surprised it's not evident to people that we've already made a decision on Barron.
On the one hand we hear about how we want to start getting serious about winning games on the other hand Kovacevic was the one we cut loose.
Both Justin Barron and Arber Xhekaj found themselves in Laval to work on certain aspects of their games.
I think it's safe to say our staff were pleased enough with their progress in the areas they identified as problems to offer them bridge contracts.
The thing about it is both those players have attributes others don't have and Hughes has always stressed Balance.

 

[Bottle Rocket]

Ceci + 1st 2026 for Jordan Harris?

Oils could say they did not strictly dump him and get cap relief. Makes no change in our Ds headcount. Adds two assets we can trade later.

 

[vokiel]

Ceci + 1st 2026 for Jordan Harris?

Oils could say they did not strictly dump him and get cap relief. Makes no change in our Ds headcount. Adds two assets we can trade later.

Yeah I'd take that, no issues.

Doubtful OIlers would offer it.

 

[jrom]

A couple of seasons ago.. or since the cap went above 80 million, I remember Habs not spending up to the cap.

I think it’s just Bergevin being dumb

 

[vokiel]

I think it’s just Bergevin being dumb

Nah it happens often, check this season on game 1, pretty sure we'll be in the top 10 teams for cap space.

 

[Tyson]

Trading Mailloux will be a huge mistake.

He have too much potential. He can develop into a truly beast if he continue to develop his all around game.

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