HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #88: 2024 Off-Season Thread

[le_sean]

It's ok - we give 95% of PP time to Matheson anyway.

Which would make it even dumber to acquire a 37 year old PP specialist.

 

[LaP]

at 3.5M$ it is a lot less money and there is a lot more team able to take that contract, it definately won't get a 1st...

I think you can get a 1st by taking Kane's contract but yeah Ceci played relatively well last year i think they can even get something in return for him not max return but a little something.

 

[bsl]

No, we can dress 7 Ds most games.

Uh no. 20 players are allowed to dress for a game. 12 f. 6 d. 2g. The only way you dress 7 d is by dressing 11 f. That is possible but rare.

 

[BaseballCoach]

No, we can dress 7 Ds most games.

Did we not learn with Mete that you should not play defenders who can't defend?

Now we want to dress 7 D to paper over the weaknesses of a 20 year old who is waiver exempt?

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

Petry was a cap dump and Poehling was seen as a bust. Come on now.

He was not a cap dump for Pittsburgh. The only reason the trade was made is because they wanted Petry. In any event what matheson was worth 2 years before that means nothing. Verhaege was aquired for nothing . Is he crap?

 

[BaseballCoach]

I think you can get a 1st by taking Kane's contract but yeah Ceci played relatively well last year i think they can even get something in return for him not max return but a little something.

Barron and Price for Ceci and Henrique .

 

[Mrb1p]

He was not a cap dump for Pittsburgh. The only reason the trade was made is because they wanted Petry. In any event what matheson was worth 2 years before that means nothing. Verhaege was aquired for nothing . Is he crap?

The only reason the trade was made was because Petry asked to be traded.

 

[Beendair Donedat]

at 3.5M$ it is a lot less money and there is a lot more team able to take that contract, it definately won't get a 1st...

1) It’s not as much money true, but they are also under the gun time wise, I believe they have 4 days left before the signings go through. That wasn’t a consideration before.

2) The Habs are one of the few teams in the league that are able to simply take on the hit on short notice, and willing to do so…. All the other GM’s are aware of the Oilers situation. It will cost them if they want out - this way they keep their young players and add a minor asset. Helps them save face.

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

The only reason the trade was made was because Petry asked to be traded.

And Pittsburgh wanted him. If he was a dump they would have had to pay to get rid of him.

 

[Mrb1p]

And Pittsburgh wanted him. If he was a dump they would have had to pay to get rid of him.

Matheson was a cap dump just as much as Petry. He was coming off the worse year of his career.

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

Matheson was a cap dump just as much as Petry. He was coming off the worse year of his career.

Absolute garbage. Pittsburgh did NOT want to move Matheson. He was improving. They did it because it was the price to get Petry.

 

[BaseballCoach]

Matheson was a cap dump just as much as Petry. He was coming off the worse year of his career.

Totally, totally false. 21-22 was the best year of Mike's career up to then, followed by better ones.

Mike was 34th in the league in ES points, which is #2D level. He was also +12 and second among all defencemen for game winning goals.

Pittsburgh got fleeced. Petry "poehled" in comparison.

 

[Jaynki]

It is known that Pittsburgh wanted to move Marcus Pettersson for Petry but Hughes was firm on Matheson and in the end, Pittsburgh settled for Matheson VS Petry.

 

[MXD]

The devils have just under 5 millions in cap space right now, so it would have a very low chance of working, but with hostile offers the cool thing right now, would you guys try one with Mercer ?

Absolutely not, because Mercer requires 1st round compensation, and the player we'll pick has favorable odds to end up better than Mercer.

It is known that Pittsburgh wanted to move Marcus Pettersson for Petry but Hughes was firm on Matheson and in the end, Pittsburgh settled for Matheson VS Petry.

Having better value than Marcus Petterson doesn't mean much.

 

[Mrb1p]

The devils have just under 5 millions in cap space right now, so it would have a very low chance of working, but with hostile offers the cool thing right now, would you guys try one with Mercer ?

The first pick is unprotected... I like Mercer but what if we finish top 10 ?

 

[sampollock]

some say KH should take Ceci from edm to help them out.

enough bad contracts to help out, unless a 1st is the piece coming back

"I think the Oilers will match Holloway's offer." - Elliotte Friedman

 

[The Great Weal]

some say KH should take Ceci from edm to help them out.

enough bad contracts to help out, unless a 1st is the piece coming back

"I think the Oilers will match Holloway's offer." - Elliotte Friedman

I think we could definitely make a trade with them, and even though he sucks, an established right handed dman is something the Habs don't have besides Savard. They definitely need defensement with a Ceci trade and not matching Broberg, so I could see them being interested in Harris/Struble/Barron.

 

[Rapala]

Damn the season can come fast enough.
Habs fans are grabbing at any loose thread at this point.

 

[Jaynki]

Having better value than Marcus Petterson doesn't mean much.

Indeed. I don't think Matheson was highly touted either in 2022. Its here that he unlocked his value.

 

[Deus ex machina]

I could see Hughes weaponizing some cap space to acquire some assets to “help” Edmonton out of the predicament that St Louis has placed them in with the RFA signings of Broberg and Holloway. Bowman will be looking to put his stamp on the Oilers, and can’t afford to lose two young, and key assets from Edmonton’s cup run last year before his team even plays a game.

Oilers need cap space, Habs want assets to take on cap, seems like a natural fit - I’d propose:

To Edmonton: 2025 3rd round pick (lowest of the 3)

To Montreal: Cody Ceci, 2026 1st round pick

Similar to the Monahan deal, Habs simply being opportunistic with their free cap space. Oilers would end up being out a first but would be shedding cap/player they don’t really need/want in order to keep their young guys.

Taking on Ceci is worth a later 2nd. Giving a 3rd on top is not enough to get a 1st in return.
I think Barron for Ceci and the 2026 1st makes more sense. Barron should still be worth an early 2nd.

Edmonton would get a younger RD to replace Ceci and save 2.1M in the process, enough to keep Holloway and Broberg with Kane on LTIR.
I think that would justify giving up that 1st for them. And MTL would look to the casual fan like they got a 1st for Barron.

Everybody save face...for now.

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

Taking on Ceci is worth a later 2nd. Giving a 3rd on top is not enough to get a 1st in return.
I think Barron for Ceci and the 2026 1st makes more sense. Barron should still be worth an early 2nd.

Edmonton would get a younger RD to replace Ceci and save 2.1M in the process, enough to keep Holloway and Broberg with Kane on LTIR.
I think that would justify giving up that 1st for them. And MTL would look to the casual fan like they got a 1st for Barron.

Everybody save face...for now.

It depends. Everyone is probably going to be askiing for a 1st to take Ceci. If Habs are the best offer - an early 3rd for Ceci and a 1st - they might do it.

 

[RationalExpectations]

Taking on Ceci is worth a later 2nd. Giving a 3rd on top is not enough to get a 1st in return.
I think Barron for Ceci and the 2026 1st makes more sense. Barron should still be worth an early 2nd.

Edmonton would get a younger RD to replace Ceci and save 2.1M in the process, enough to keep Holloway and Broberg with Kane on LTIR.
I think that would justify giving up that 1st for them. And MTL would look to the casual fan like they got a 1st for Barron.

Everybody save face...for now.

So giving up Barron for a 24-32OA who could be Barron 6 years later. Seems like a bad idea.

 

[Mrb1p]

So giving up Barron for a 24-32OA who could be Barron 6 years later. Seems like a bad idea.

I hate this argument because Pastrnak was picked 25th.

A first is a long term asset, it shouldnt be seen as a low odds lottery ticket.

 

[Deus ex machina]

It depends. Everyone is probably going to be askiing for a 1st to take Ceci. If Habs are the best offer - an early 3rd for Ceci and a 1st - they might do it.

According to PuckPedia, taking on 3.25M is worth 41st OA, and that's like if Ceci has absolutely 0 value on ice. Like dead money.
If you think he should be paid minimum salary, then that 49th OA.
I know the Oilers are in a bit of a jam, but asking a 1st might be pushing it.
And there should be more than one team willing to take him on, so that helps the Oilers.

 

[Deus ex machina]

So giving up Barron for a 24-32OA who could be Barron 6 years later. Seems like a bad idea.

Barron is also waiver eligible now and the Habs have too many Ds.

Getting a 1st pick instead gives them more flexibility.
It's a pick. They might get something better, or not.
Or they could use it in another trade.

Depends how you see Barron, i guess. I think they should try to get something of value for him before it's too late.
But i've never been a fan, so i might be biased.