HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #88: 2024-25 Season

[DAChampion]

Gallagher for Petersson, E5.

 

[sampollock]

Gallagher for Petersson, E5.

sold
thanks ECK

 

[Guy Larose]

Demidov for EP

Just wanted to see this place explode

 

[Habs Halifax]

What would you give for JT Miller because he's the one that is most likely to move.

NMC. He won't waive for Montreal IMO. My strategy is finding guys around Suzuki's age.

They wouldn’t. Unless they wanted to rebuild. My deal gives them 2 sure fire NHL centers + a few magic beans.

They will want proven centers they can use now and sorry bud, no team is going to retain for that long by trading an asset like that.

 

[tazsub3]

I'd be very worried about trading Matheson in such a deal. We just saw how much a difference Carrier vs Barron had on the team. Trading Matheson more then undos all that improvement and I'm not sure EP can counteract it because playing in your own end due to a lack of quality D hurts forwards the most.

very well and matheson with the right amount of duties and ice time, is a very needed player for now.

 

[Sorinth]

Gallagher for Petersson, E5.

I know it was my suggestion but it was still really Dach, and essentially two 1st which is more reasonable.

Anyways odds are it's a trade with the NYR, they have the capspace and can offer more immediately useful player(s) in return.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Yes, i should have remembered the exact package you offered with the multiple multiple iterations you gave.
I'm pretty sure there were 4 pieces. 2 being Calgary's 1st and Struble for sure. I think the 3rd was Beck or Roy but maybe i'm wrong on that.

I told you that offer was way way too generous because Laine had negative value at full salary, but you kept trucking along.
You can go back and check on that if you want.

Did i predict the exact trade that happened or even that Hugues would pull it off?
Of course not, but i knew it wouldn't take much, if at all, given the circumstances.

I thought Columbus would have retained half and get a better return since they were at the cap floor. But it turns out the owners didn't want to retain. That was difficult to know.

But no, i wasn't surprised by the return.
Just because you were, don't assume everybody else was too.

Waddell got that return because that was the best he could get.
Kent Hugues is not some kind of genius for making that trade.
That was just Laine's market value.

You took a jab at some fans who were sceptical of the Laine acquisition ( i was not one of them, by the way ), so i'm just taking a little jab back.

I guess the point is to make you aware that you just have a tendency to give too much in your offers.

I had a lot of different packages no doubt. Roy was not part of it (that I am sure of). There was no way of knowing the actual context that the Jackets wanted to move Laine with little salary coming back. Most teams were making offers with contracts going back (like with me and Anderson in the trade as well). Why have you choose to not talk about that part? Because I vividly remember saying... yeah but Anderson is in that package too

I probably said the same thing as today... My offer is the max point. I dislike when posters target max offers and don't remember the low points. You list something low and the nit pick fans come out to play and then you list a max point and you get hit by the nit pickers again.

Most of my stance was defending Laine in Montreal (and with Anderson in the package to offset the salary). This was the biggest part of my debates in case you don't remember. I had a lot of replies that said Montreal is the last place Laine should be and I bet you were one of them. I'll do the same as you are doing today... take guess and try to remember what was said and then use it against you

I know it was my suggestion but it was still really Dach, and essentially two 1st which is more reasonable.

Anyways odds are it's a trade with the NYR, they have the capspace and can offer more immediately useful player(s) in return.

Don't the Rangers have a lot of player with NMC or NTC's?

Care to list any Rangers offer that would make sense?

 

[Habs Halifax]

I'd be very worried about trading Matheson in such a deal. We just saw how much a difference Carrier vs Barron had on the team. Trading Matheson more then undos all that improvement and I'm not sure EP can counteract it because playing in your own end due to a lack of quality D hurts forwards the most.

Very valid statement but trade would not happen until the offseason. Eventually, the Habs need to replace Matheson with a RD anyways. Could make a separate move this summer as well. Who is the RD? No idea

 

[jrom]

I would only point out Eichel was acquired for Krebs + Tuch + 1st + 2nd rounder

Unless it’s a healthy McDavid being dealt, cap hit factor limits teams ability to acquire a player, let alone underperformance, thus driving down acquisition cost

There’s only a handful # of teams able to acquire EP, and even fewer willing & able to surender assets usually being sought re: NHL ready ELC / 2nd contract types.

Then there’s EPs NMC factor which kicks in July 1st for those seeking a potential way out in the future…

The low price was also related to the medical condition of Eichel and hoping his operation would be a success.

 

[Sorinth]

Care to list any Rangers offer that would make sense?

Honestly no I don't care, nor would it even be all that relevant since I don't follow them all that closely. They are just a team with capspace, want to make a big move, and have a history of big, and teams generally prefer to trade disgruntled stars for other stars, and in most cases only take the packages of picks and players because nothing else is actually available. So they are the most likely result.

 

[salbutera]

Care to list any Rangers offer that would make sense?

Vinny Trocheck + Schneider + 1st?

 

[Habs Halifax]

Honestly no I don't care, nor would it even be all that relevant since I don't follow them all that closely. They are just a team with capspace, want to make a big move, and have a history of big, and teams generally prefer to trade disgruntled stars for other stars, and in most cases only take the packages of picks and players because nothing else is actually available. So they are the most likely result.

Rangers cap space will disappear next year when Shesterkin's and Lafrenier's new contracts kicks in. Multiple RFA's to extend as well and finding a back-up goalie.

The only way the Rangers have cap space is if one (or two) of these guys are in the trade:
* Zibby (Full NMC)
* Kreider (15 team NTC)
* Lafreniere
* Panarin (UFA after next year)
* Trocheck (12 team NTC... starting July)

Don't see the Canucks buying into Zibby from age 31-37 and also don't see Zibby waiving for Vancouver. Possible that Trocheck is in the package because he is a center that the Canucks need but more adds are required

Rangers want to make moves but the players they want to move will create problems in a EP type trade. Trocheck and Kreider might be the best the Rangers can offer but both are 31/33. I don't see the Canucks wanting to get older. I also don't think the Rangers want to trade Lafreniere either

I don't see the Rangers as a good fit at all.

 

[Sorinth]

Rangers cap space will disappear next year when Shesterkin's and Lafrenier's new contracts kicks in. Multiple RFA's to extend as well and finding a back-up goalie.

The only way the Rangers have cap space is if one (or two) of these guys are in the trade:
* Zibby (Full NMC)
* Kreider (15 team NTC)
* Lafreniere
* Panarin (UFA after next year)
* Trocheck (12 team NTC... starting July)

Don't see the Canucks buying into Zibby from age 31-37 and also don't see Zibby waiving for Vancouver. Possible that Trocheck is in the package because he is a center that the Canucks need but more adds are required

Rangers want to make moves but the players they want to move will create problems in a EP type trade. Trocheck and Kreider might be the best the Rangers can offer but both are 31/33. I don't see the Canucks wanting to get older. I also don't think the Rangers want to trade Lafreniere either

I don't see the Rangers as a good fit at all.

I don't see why they would care about age, both teams are trying to win now, 31 still very much fits in with their core. On top of which it's just as likely that the player traded is Miller who is 31 so the age changes nothing for either team.

Anyways like I said I don't really care about the NYR so I'll leave it be.

 

[Habs Halifax]

I don't see why they would care about age, both teams are trying to win now, 31 still very much fits in with their core. On top of which it's just as likely that the player traded is Miller who is 31 so the age changes nothing for either team.

Anyways like I said I don't really care about the NYR so I'll leave it be.

No idea if they trade Miller or Pettersson. The narrative changes depending on their direction though

Vinny Trocheck + Schneider + 1st?

Probably the best the Rangers can come up with. Falls through if Trocheck has the Canucks on his NTC list.

Pretty sure the Rangers like Trocheck's value contract and prefer to move out Zibby and Kreider instead. Seems difficult and I'm pretty sure Drury is trying as we speak.

Not sure how the Rangers cap looks like next year if Trocheck/Schneider/1st is the package. I think they are very tight to the cap and have lots of work to do on their back end. Especially with Schneider out. What's the cap difference? Around $4M more to absorb?

 

[Habssince89]

There is plenty of room to sign Laine, Demidov and Hutson and still fit EP in. If cap space is the reason not to trade for EP, I don't agree with the narrative.

* Savard, Armia, Dvorak, Matheson, Gallagher, Anderson = $28.23M
* Price = 10.5M (we didn't need his contract on LTIR to start the season)
* Cap will grow from $88M to $95M+ by the time Laine and Demidov needs raises. That's another $7M more (min)

That's $45.73M freed up in 2 more seasons. Yeah, Guhle, Slaf, and Hutson to get raises as well and even when you add Demidov and Laine, it still fits easily.

Habs are in a great salary cap situation and if we can trade for EP or anybody with a talent like that, we should. He fits the core age around Suzuki to Demidov and this should be our strategy. Adding pieces around Suzuki age or in between Suzuki/Demidov.

It's not just the cap, it's giving up a bunch of assets for an unnecessary luxury. We're on a good path right now and with Laine in the mix, IMO Hughes shouldnt be chasing EP

 

[Guy Larose]

It's not just the cap, it's giving up a bunch of assets for an unnecessary luxury. We're on a good path right now and with Laine in the mix, IMO Hughes shouldnt be chasing EP

Woah, unnecessary luxury? We have no 2nd C. Not saying I agree with the prices stated in here, but to say it's a luxury is way off.

 

[Habs Halifax]

It's not just the cap, it's giving up a bunch of assets for an unnecessary luxury. We're on a good path right now and with Laine in the mix, IMO Hughes shouldnt be chasing EP

If Dach is not able to handle the 2C role, there is no way we should just stay put when a talent like EP could be available.

Hate saying it but the same thing was said about Laine but fans are happy today. Lots of comments like Laine should be kept away from this team last summer. There were plenty of fans who were very aggressive saying those things too. Funny that those type of fans hide in the shadows today and won't admit their oversight.

EP is a Unnecessary luxury?

Hughes will make trades if it don't touch our core but improves our team. That I am sure of.

 

[Guy Larose]

 

[Habssince89]

If Dach is not able to handle the 2C role, there is no way we should just stay put when a talent like EP could be available.

Hate saying it but the same thing was said about Laine but fans are happy today. Lots of comments like Laine should be kept away from this team last summer. There were plenty of fans who were very aggressive saying those things too. Funny that those type of fans hide in the shadows today and won't admit their oversight.

EP is a Unnecessary luxury?

Hughes will make trades if it don't touch our core but improves our team. That I am sure of.

Never said Dach was the answer, just that internally we have players like Hage who we shouldn't be dealing before they hit the NHL.

And YES he is an unnecessary luxury! Why would we pay such a high price for a player who is known to be soft and mentally weak? Do you think that's a good idea in montreal?

Also attributing doubts about Laine to my post is bad-faith. Why are you associating me with those fans? It doesn't prove you right

 

[Runner77]

sold
thanks ECK

Nothing concrete until HockeyInsiderrrr confirms from his mom’s basement.

 

[Sasha Orlov]

Gallagher for Petersson, E5.

Confirmed, I am Elias Pettersson

 

[morhilane]

Who is Dhali?

 

[Guy Larose]

Who is Dhali?

Canucks beat reporter Rick Dhaliwal

 

[vokiel]

All Vancouver players for All New York Ranger players.. E5!

 

[themilosh]

If Dach is not able to handle the 2C role, there is no way we should just stay put when a talent like EP could be available.

Hate saying it but the same thing was said about Laine but fans are happy today. Lots of comments like Laine should be kept away from this team last summer. There were plenty of fans who were very aggressive saying those things too. Funny that those type of fans hide in the shadows today and won't admit their oversight.

EP is a Unnecessary luxury?

Hughes will make trades if it don't touch our core but improves our team. That I am sure of.

The Dach situation is the issue. Hugo has to know whether or not Dach will become a 2C by now. If not, then acquiring a 1C in EP at the same age as Suzuki would solidify our top 6 for years (overnight).

I say go for it.