HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #86: 2023-2024 Season

[JianYang]

Defensemen at trade deadline sometimes go for more than they worth. I would ask for Toffoli type return,? A first and solid prospect

Supply and demand is fluid. But yes, I agree with you that GMs sometimes go a bit crazy at the deadline especially if they begin to feel that they are just one specific peice away from solving their puzzle.

 

[HuGort]

But didn’t some here “predict” Matheson would get Norris votes…

Matheson has great skill but not the hockey sense to match. He'll look like future hall of famer one night, next night play like AHLer.

 

[salbutera]

Supply and demand is fluid. But yes, I agree with you that GMs sometimes go a bit crazy at the deadline especially if they begin to feel that they are just one specific peice away from solving their puzzle.

Not for players signed on multi year deals … they simply don’t happen at deadline anymore

 

[JianYang]

Not for players signed on multi year deals … they simply don’t happen at deadline anymore

Yes, the flat cap is putting increased strain on the ability to move contracts. Either way, I don't think Matheson is going anywhere just yet.

The roster is is full of first and 2nd year dmen outside of Matheson and Savard, I highly doubt the plan is to trade them both and throw the youngsters further into the fire. I think the roster composition is already pretty unprecedented with respect to inexperience as it is.

 

[Adam Michaels]

I can see Montreal asking for a 1st for Allen. Probably something like Allen & a 2024 3rd for a 2024 1st.

I think Montreal would take a contract back in lieu of retaining.

Yes. I think to make the money work, Habs can take back a contract, but one that's on its final year.

If they do indeed retain, then they fill their 3 retention slots for this year (Edmundson, Petry & Allen), so they won't be able to retain on anyone else. But also, they'd have one retention slot left for next year (Petry and Allen).

 

[HuGort]

Yes. I think to make the money work, Habs can take back a contract, but one that's on its final year.

If they do indeed retain, then they fill their 3 retention slots for this year (Edmundson, Petry & Allen), so they won't be able to retain on anyone else. But also, they'd have one retention slot left for next year (Petry and Allen).

I wish we had spent to the limit last summer instead of being cap compliment opening night. To get max of Price LTIR because we haven't use it this season. Most opportunity to take on bad contract is in summer. ie. Monahan or Marlesu

 

[MarkovsKnee]

Yes. I think to make the money work, Habs can take back a contract, but one that's on its final year.

If they do indeed retain, then they fill their 3 retention slots for this year (Edmundson, Petry & Allen), so they won't be able to retain on anyone else. But also, they'd have one retention slot left for next year (Petry and Allen).

We need to save the retention spot for Pearson if we can move him at all. I can't believe he's getting $3,25m.

 

[Deus ex machina]

We need to save the retention spot for Pearson if we can move him at all. I can't believe he's getting $3,25m.

I'm not sure a team will be ready to use precious cap space on a guy like Pearson, even at 50%.
Even if it happens, i doubt the return will be worth using the retention spot.

 

[Rapala]

Other teams will look at him if they feel like they need a puck moving or offensive boost to their middle pair. No teams are fooled by the fact that he plays top minutes, and won't pay premium assets just based on that.

The best the Habs can hope for in this situation if they do want to trade him is that there are many teams looking for exactly what Matheson provides, and not alot of supply. These are the actual elements that will have the most impact on driving up his value.

A team taking him would have to be confident they could put him in a position to minimize his mistakes.
I though he was decent in the post season for Pittsburgh when he didn't have to be the guy.

The problem here is there is no form of punishment we can use to try and keep him focused on his D.
I would have cut his PP time myself but our coaching staff seem to think he can do or is doing a good job.

I could have sworn we heard there was to be more accountability this season but I guess it only applies to Xhekaj.

 

[McGees]

I think you use retention on whoever gets the best return - don't waste it on low value assets like Pearson who is only gonna get you a 5th anyway.
Monahan already has a low cap hit so I would use it for either Savard or Allen.
Or Armia just to get him the hell outta here.

 

[Habssince89]

I'm predicting Savard with Retention as that would probably have the most value. Allen maybe because its a sellers market for goalies. Hoping Allen can have a couple strong outings to finally get someone to bite.

 

[HuGort]

Yes, the flat cap is putting increased strain on the ability to move contracts. Either way, I don't think Matheson is going anywhere just yet.

The roster is is full of first and 2nd year dmen outside of Matheson and Savard, I highly doubt the plan is to trade them both and throw the youngsters further into the fire. I think the roster composition is already pretty unprecedented with respect to inexperience as it is.

I doubt Hughes will move Savard and Matheson also. I would, but he runs team different than I would.

Same as a year ago I would have traded Anderson, Allen and Savard. I wanted to weaken team for either Bedard or Fantilli. Franchise center I seen.

Plus gain about 3 extra first round picks. Freed up 10-12 million in caproom but spent it in summer. Most likely signed Dumba and Bunting. I always liked them. Maybe signed Reimer as depth in net. I thought he was good goalie with Leafs. Considering their defense. I remember playoff series they almost upset heavily favourite Bruins. I thought he stole couple of games.

The extra picks I would packaged to try for Leonard or Dvorsky. I wanted size and skill up front. Fantilli and Leonard been my goal for draft. But Hughes sees it different

 

[ChesterNimitz]

We need to save the retention spot for Pearson if we can move him at all. I can't believe he's getting $3,25m.

Save your disbelief for Gallagher’s contract that sees him being paid $8 million this year; $9 million in 24/25; $6.5 million in 25/26; and $4 million in 26/27.

Dumb always loses.

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

Save your disbelief for Gallagher’s contract that sees him being paid $8 million this year; $9 million in 24/25; $6.5 million in 25/26; and $4 million in 26/27.

Dumb always loses.

The second that deal was signed it was such a blatantly obvious mistake.

I think you use retention on whoever gets the best return - don't waste it on low value assets like Pearson who is only gonna get you a 5th anyway.
Monahan already has a low cap hit so I would use it for either Savard or Allen.
Or Armia just to get him the hell outta here.

Exactly!!!

 

[Sorinth]

I think you use retention on whoever gets the best return - don't waste it on low value assets like Pearson who is only gonna get you a 5th anyway.
Monahan already has a low cap hit so I would use it for either Savard or Allen.
Or Armia just to get him the hell outta here.

Given that it seems like we can send Armia up and down without issue it would be a waste to use the last retention spot on him.

The real candidates are Savard, Dvorak, Allen. My feeling is that with any potential Allen trade would involve us taking back a goalie the other team has already waived and sent to the AHL, so there's not actually much of a need to retain on him. With Savard and Dvorak it's less obvious that there would be a bad contract being taken back so the retention is more necessary.

 

[ReHabs]

Save your disbelief for Gallagher’s contract that sees him being paid $8 million this year; $9 million in 24/25; $6.5 million in 25/26; and $4 million in 26/27.

Dumb always loses.

The second that deal was signed it was such a blatantly obvious mistake.

If I never read "Brendan Gallagher" and "heart and soul" in the same sentence again, it'll be too soon. If you have a crap team, on its way of missing the playoffs for the fifth time in seven seasons, you change its heart and soul!

 

[ChesterNimitz]

If I never read "Brendan Gallagher" and "heart and soul" in the same sentence again, it'll be too soon. If you have a crap team, on its way of missing the playoffs for the fifth time in seven seasons, you change its heart and soul!

The problem is that Gallagher truly is the Heart and Soul of the team: but only for the first 20 to 25 seconds of his shift. After that he becomes the exhausted heart and soul of the team and loses complete ineffectiveness in all three zones of the ice.

This is not a new manifestation. Gallagher’s stamina and level of play has been in open decline for the past 5 years. How Bergevin was induced into giving this fading player such a rich and lengthy contract is incomprehensible.

But as I said above: Dumb always loses.

 

[BLONG7]

The problem is that Gallagher truly is the Heart and Soul of the team: but only for the first 20 tp 25 seconds of his shift. After that he becomes the exhausted heart and soul of the team and loses complete ineffectiveness in all three zones of the ice.

This is not a new manifestation. Gallagher’s stamina and level of play has been in open decline for the past 5 years. How Bergevin was induced into giving this fading player such a rich and lengthy contract is incomprehensible.

But as I said above: Dumb always loses.

There was a time, when everyone was rooting for the little engine that could...............made him a very popular player....and he was paid around 3.75M per season, and all was good.

Then.........the contract which we all knew was a mistake, but MB made many of them. Don't blame Gally one bit, but he was NEVER ever going to be able to llive up to that deal.
He is spent...........toast, whatever you want to say. This year and next making that kind of dough, 8M and 9M is absurd.

Now, he can't keep up, and whines each and every night to the officials......sad.

Chester has nailed it.............dumb always loses. And............here we are.

 

[nhlfan9191]

The problem is that Gallagher truly is the Heart and Soul of the team: but only for the first 20 to 25 seconds of his shift. After that he becomes the exhausted heart and soul of the team and loses complete ineffectiveness in all three zones of the ice.

This is not a new manifestation. Gallagher’s stamina and level of play has been in open decline for the past 5 years. How Bergevin was induced into giving this fading player such a rich and lengthy contract is incomprehensible.

But as I said above: Dumb always loses.

The thing that sucks is we could’ve sold high at the trade deadline on Gallagher before Covid when it was looking like we were going to miss the playoffs for a 3rd straight year and 4th time in 5 years. Management with lack of foresight mixed with emotional is a recipe for disaster.

 

[salbutera]

The problem is that Gallagher truly is the Heart and Soul of the team: but only for the first 20 to 25 seconds of his shift. After that he becomes the exhausted heart and soul of the team and loses complete ineffectiveness in all three zones of the ice.

This is not a new manifestation. Gallagher’s stamina and level of play has been in open decline for the past 5 years. How Bergevin was induced into giving this fading player such a rich and lengthy contract is incomprehensible.

But as I said above: Dumb always loses.

It was payback for the below market value prior contract…similar to Price.

 

[BaseballCoach]

I think you use retention on whoever gets the best return - don't waste it on low value assets like Pearson who is only gonna get you a 5th anyway.
Monahan already has a low cap hit so I would use it for either Savard or Allen.
Or Armia just to get him the hell outta here.

Generally agree.

I think Pearson either runs out the string like Drouin did, or (long shot) he goes the other way if we take on a really BIG contract and get paid a decent pick or prospect for it.

 

[ReHabs]

The problem is that Gallagher truly is the Heart and Soul of the team: but only for the first 20 to 25 seconds of his shift. After that he becomes the exhausted heart and soul of the team and loses complete ineffectiveness in all three zones of the ice.

This is not a new manifestation. Gallagher’s stamina and level of play has been in open decline for the past 5 years. How Bergevin was induced into giving this fading player such a rich and lengthy contract is incomprehensible.

But as I said above: Dumb always loses.

I think we have a 50/50 chance he will LTIRetire as early as this summer. I really don't like watching him out there, it feels like he's a drag. He's lost it all.

 

[Sorinth]

This is not a new manifestation. Gallagher’s stamina and level of play has been in open decline for the past 5 years. How Bergevin was induced into giving this fading player such a rich and lengthy contract is incomprehensible.

But as I said above: Dumb always loses.

To be fair he wasn't fading at the time of his signing, in fact he was coming off his 2nd best season in terms of ppg. And also worth noting in the first year of his new deal his ppg was right where it was expected to be. So his decline has been 3 years not 5.

That said it was still obviously a questionable signing since his style of game made it more likely that he'd have a sudden drop off in performance due to age/injuries. Had that drop-off happened at say 31 instead of 29 it probably would have been an ok contract.

 

[sampollock]

I'm predicting Savard with Retention as that would probably have the most value. Allen maybe because its a sellers market for goalies. Hoping Allen can have a couple strong outings to finally get someone to bite.

Allen will have to have this too. unless they take back a bad contract.

If I never read "Brendan Gallagher" and "heart and soul" in the same sentence again, it'll be too soon. If you have a crap team, on its way of missing the playoffs for the fifth time in seven seasons, you change its heart and soul!

or wave your NTC and get traded out

 

[DAChampion]

I think we have a 50/50 chance he will LTIRetire as early as this summer. I really don't like watching him out there, it feels like he's a drag. He's lost it all.

I find that extremely unlikely. I also doubt the Habs' will want two large LTIRements at the same time given the summer 10% rule. So I could see it happening after Price's contract is off the books.