HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #86: 2023-2024 Season

[BaseballCoach]

He’s talking about Elias, not Hampus

Thanks, makes more sense.

 

[salbutera]

Here's my 3-step plan for the next 6 months:

1. Trade Monahan, Allen and Savard between now and the trade deadline. Should give us a couple nice picks or prospects in return.

2. Trade Matheson at the draft. Love him but his value will never be higher.

3. Depending on who we draft, acquire a young-ish winger with size to complete our top-6.

Potential targets:
Kakko, Laf, Necas, McCann...

Trade bait (in order of preference)
-One or more of Barron/Harris/Mailloux/Xhekaj
-One or more of Farrell/Roy/Mesar/Heineman
-Any 1st/2nd/3rd round pick acquired at the TDL (or CGY's)
-Newhook

*Steps 2 and 3 could also be linked if Matheson is traded for a forward with comparable value*

Multi year contracts (Matheson & Savard) are off season moves not trade deadline

 

[NekkiChiconey]

Name a specific player or return for Matheson you would think "will never be higher" and that you would accept.

Matheson for Kakko, for example?

If it was Kakko, I would ask them to add. McCann from Seattle would be a good comparable. If we're talking futures, I would expect either a high first (top-15) or a late first (25-ish) and legit prospect.

Multi year contracts (Matheson & Savard) are off season moves not trade deadline

Mostly because teams don't want to retain on multi-year contracts but I think we could afford it for Savard (for the right return obviously). Savard at 1.75M for 2 playoff runs suddenly becomes very attractive to a contender.

 

[salbutera]

If it was Kakko, I would ask them to add. McCann from Seattle would be a good comparable. If we're talking futures, I would expect either a high first (top-15) or a late first (25-ish) and legit prospect.


Mostly because teams don't want to retain on multi-year contracts but I think we could afford it for Savard (for the right return obviously). Savard at 1.75M for 2 playoff runs suddenly becomes very attractive to a contender.

Team organize their cap hit constructs in the offseason when they know which players are potentially available is UFA etc. Teams that deal for upgrades at deadline don’t want the asset burden past the given season - what a team needs at this deadline may not be a need for next season

 

[HuGort]

Here's my 3-step plan for the next 6 months:

1. Trade Monahan, Allen and Savard between now and the trade deadline. Should give us a couple nice picks or prospects in return.

2. Trade Matheson at the draft. Love him but his value will never be higher.

3. Depending on who we draft, acquire a young-ish winger with size to complete our top-6.

Potential targets:
Kakko, Laf, Necas, McCann...

Trade bait (in order of preference)
-One or more of Barron/Harris/Mailloux/Xhekaj
-One or more of Farrell/Roy/Mesar/Heineman
-Any 1st/2nd/3rd round pick acquired at the TDL (or CGY's)
-Newhook

*Steps 2 and 3 could also be linked if Matheson is traded for a forward with comparable value*

I'd like to acquire Riley Heidt from the Wild. They ever get a deal on him. I hope Wild needs one of our vets at deadline.

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

Why would Lafreniere be available?

He's still pretty meh.

The hype of being a 1st overall pick would still carry value and they could get a nice return, or a good rental.

Could try and tell him they've given him prime opportunity and sign him long-term for depth. Give him 4 years at 3, or less

 

[BaseballCoach]

If it was Kakko, I would ask them to add. McCann from Seattle would be a good comparable. If we're talking futures, I would expect either a high first (top-15) or a late first (25-ish) and legit prospect.

Agree Kakko 1-one-1 is a joke.

McCann is not enough. 1st pairing defender for middle-six forward, nah.

 

[Deus ex machina]

That list is a big nothing. The "sellers" are teams who are at the bottom and not necessarily teams with extra goalies who have shown they can play in the NHL outside of the Habs (Columbus isn't trading Elvis and Martin was a waiver pick-up who isn't an upgrade for the buyers for example). While the buyers don't include teams outside of the playoffs who really need goalies to make it outside of Edmonton.

In other words, there is a lot less sellers with quality stock and a lot more buyers.

Someone said that Columbus is looking to trade Elvis actually. I think it's Friedman.

 

[jellybeans]

If Edmonton and Toronto don't want to pay for good goaltending, then they can fail again.

Allen will never get you a first.

 

[Sterling Archer]

Allen will never get you a first.

Apparently Hughes has a known price that no one has bitten on yet. It’s not a 1st but 2nd, 3rd or an equivalent prospect wouldn’t be surprising. Lots of good teams with VERY bad goaltending, with oilers at the top of the heap followed by Toronto and Jersey. Suspect he’ll stand pat until desperation sinks in and take advantage to get close to his asking price, like a good GM would do.

 

[Sterling Archer]

Why would they do that?
They aren't making the playoffs that they need to start trading picks.

Better question is why would Matheson, a no. 1 D who’s on pace for 62 points and plays in all situations only get two 2nds, which is what Habs paid to get Newhook for, who as a forward is t close to that production??

 

[Nicko999]

He's still pretty meh.

The hype of being a 1st overall pick would still carry value and they could get a nice return, or a good rental.

Could try and tell him they've given him prime opportunity and sign him long-term for depth. Give him 4 years at 3, or less

Laf is improving slowly. On pace for 50 pts this year. It's not like he plateau-ed or something.
Would be our 3rd best forward.

 

[NekkiChiconey]

Agree Kakko 1-one-1 is a joke.

McCann is not enough. 1st pairing defender for middle-six forward, nah.

Not sure that would be the consensus around the league. No team will trade a star forward for Matheson unfortunately.

 

[McGees]

Better question is why would Matheson, a no. 1 D who’s on pace for 62 points and plays in all situations only get two 2nds, which is what Habs paid to get Newhook for, who as a forward is t close to that production??

I don’t remember writing that and the context tbh. But Matheson value is hard to gauge since he can put up points but also be an absolute disaster defensively.

 

[HomaridII]

Whatever trade we do, lets please include Burrows.

 

[Runner77]

Apparently Hughes has a known price that no one has bitten on yet. It’s not a 1st but 2nd, 3rd or an equivalent prospect wouldn’t be surprising. Lots of good teams with VERY bad goaltending, with oilers at the top of the heap followed by Toronto and Jersey. Suspect he’ll stand pat until desperation sinks in and take advantage to get close to his asking price, like a good GM would do.

Allen’s 2nd contract year is likely putting downward pressure on a return. A difference maker in facilitating a deal might be including a D, for a team that has the need.

 

[Sterling Archer]

Allen’s 2nd contract year is likely putting downward pressure on a return. A difference maker in facilitating a deal might be including a D, for a team that has the need.

Allen is an anchor for us but a better option than guys like Skinner or Samsonov and desperation makes GMs do desperate things. In any case, I’m sure whatever Habs get in return will be the best offer available.

I don’t remember writing that and the context tbh. But Matheson value is hard to gauge since he can put up points but also be an absolute disaster defensively.

He’s not that bad defensively. He’s even on the PK1 which isn’t saying much but for a team looming for offensive Dman, he’s fill the slot no problem. Also, Habs aren’t trading him anytime soon so this arguamwnt is moot.

 

[Runner77]

Allen is an anchor for us but a better option than guys like Skinner or Samsonov and desperation makes GMs do desperate things. In any case, I’m sure whatever Habs get in return will be the best offer available.

If they can just get back the cap space Allen takes up, it’s already a win!

 

[HuGort]

Apparently Hughes has a known price that no one has bitten on yet. It’s not a 1st but 2nd, 3rd or an equivalent prospect wouldn’t be surprising. Lots of good teams with VERY bad goaltending, with oilers at the top of the heap followed by Toronto and Jersey. Suspect he’ll stand pat until desperation sinks in and take advantage to get close to his asking price, like a good GM would do.

Wonder if Hughes retain half for a first?

 

[Sterling Archer]

Wonder if Hughes retain half for a first?

I would. One more year but Habs only have one more retention spot if memory serves correct. If they get another or two in the off-season it’s a no brainer for me. Still need to move Dvo IMO unless they don’t plan on back filling the 3rd line center role. Don’t think Evans can do it and Beck is too far away from it.

 

[Deus ex machina]

If they can just get back the cap space Allen takes up, it’s already a win!

And do what with it?
They have potentially about 10M of unused cap space right now. They'll probably have plenty next season too.

I think it's more about freeing a roster spot and getting an asset.

 

[Runner77]

And do what with it?
They have potentially about 10M of unused cap space right now. They'll probably have plenty next season too.

I think it's more about freeing a roster spot and getting an asset.

Attempt more Monahan-type trades.

Of course, there is a logjam to sort out but the point was that even if not getting a high return for Allen, it’s still a net positive. Cap room can always be bartered.

 

[Deus ex machina]

Attempt more Monahan-type trades.

Of course, there is a logjam to sort out but the point was that even if not getting a high return for Allen, it’s still a net positive. Cap room can always be bartered.

They weren't able to do one this season so far. They'll probably have enough cap space for that next season even with Allen.
With the flat cap era coming to an end, i think there'll be less of those types of trade anyway.
They're pretty rare as it is. Teams don't want to give up assets for that unless really desperate.

And that phase of the Habs rebuild is almost over.

 

[Runner77]

They weren't able to do one this season so far. They'll probably have enough cap space for that next season even with Allen.
With the flat cap era coming to an end, i think there'll be less of those types of trade anyway.
They're pretty rare as it is. Teams don't want to give up assets for that unless really desperate.

And that phase of the Habs rebuild is almost over.

It’ll be great just to get rid of him. Hughes needs to correct that mistake contract of his.

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

If they can just get back the cap space Allen takes up, it’s already a win!

They wouldn't get the cap space back though. They would likely take back a cap dump in any deal.