HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #86: 2023-2024 Season

[Weltschmerz]

Savard may regress next year, I’d trade him while he has value. As much as I appreciate what he can bring to the team in terms of leadership, it’s not worth a 1st or equivalent.

I’d pursue a long-term veteran option at RD either via trade or FA during the offseason. Carrier would be an interesting option given that he’s only 27 and should be signed for a reasonable amount. Let Reinbacher/Barron/Mailloux earn a spot and move forward with a bit more predictability.

Carrier is a different kind of defenseman and much smaller though.

 

[LaP]

No question. But watching Kovacevic flounder against Tampa, it should be clear to anyone watching closely that Kovacevic is at best a gap filler on the team’s defence. If he’s still a part of the team’s defence in 26/27 then we must come to the harsh realization that our supposed impending wave of promising defensive prospects is largely illusory.

Was there any doubt?

I mean it's crazy how our fan base is always falling in love for those depth players who are easily replaceable. Kova would help a winning team mostly because of his contract. As a player you can replace him easily. The contract is very good though and this is where the value is for a winning team.

I's trade him without hesitating a sec if a 2nd is offered. I'd let another team give him the 1.750ish millions he'll ask for.

 

[RationalExpectations]

Was there any doubt?

I mean it's crazy how our fan base is always falling in love for those depth players who are easily replaceable. Kova would help a winning team mostly because of his contract. As a player you can replace him easily. The contract is very good though and this is where the value is for a winning team.

I's trade him without hesitating a sec if a 2nd is offered. I'd let another team give him the 1.750ish millions he'll ask for.

I don t think he returns a 2nd but maybe a 3rd (see Lyubushkin)

 

[Deus ex machina]

TFP have no insiders....it is a pathetic publication and a long standing joke around here.

Comparing Tanev to Savard is odd as Tanev is universally considered a significantly better player than Savard and yes, I would totally understand Edmonton going after him with a first as he is a significant upgrade over Ceci. Once again, Ceci is factually their 4th best dman as he has averaged over 20 minutes a game for his entire tenure in Edmonton and it has absolutely nothing to do with them pumping his tires.

Ceci's name only comes up because their right side is much weaker than the left and moving Desharnais doesn't clear enough space. I would not be surprised at all to Ce seevci moved because of this but that is very different then the narrative that he is a player that they would love to move on from. They would much rather prefer to have him on their 3rd pairing and bump Desharnais out of the lineup.

To be clear, I have never been a Ceci fan and I do agree that Savard is an upgrade.......just not enough of an upgrade to return Holloway and a 2nd and taking a slightly lesser contract back in Ceci that expires after next season and is easily moved in the off season does not move the needle much. If Edmonton does choose to go after Savard I would bet that my proposal of Savard for Ceci and a conditional 2nd that turns into a 1st if they go to the finals as well as a 2025 4th will be much closer to the final price. I could also see Edmonton coughing up their first if they get desperate and perhaps may be more likely as I am not sure that my proposal would be worth losing Savard over if Edmonton bows out early.....perhaps it should be contingent on them reaching the conference finals?

If Edmonton gives up a significant asset to upgrade Ceci to Savard then that means that other preferable options fell through and they would have panicked themselves into another poor asset management scenario.

You can't just dismiss reports and the majority's opinion just because it doesn't fit your narrative. It's just arguing in bad faith.

Aaron Ward is a former NHL defenseman, he knows a little bit what he's talking about.
Kelly is saying that anybody who can lace his skates would be better that Ceci. Strong endorsement right there. He's not an insider BTW.
But if they work for TFP, they must be bad. Those guys can't even predict the future. They're a joke.

Ceci's name come up because he's not close to being worth what he's making and he's a weak link in EDM's D.
Nobody is gonna give something to have him at that salary. He'd be already traded if that were the case.

You can't say one player is just slightly better that the other so the difference must be...let's say a 2nd...and maybe a 4th?
Doesn't work that way.

I don't think the Habs are gonna trade Savard for less than a 1st. Getting just a late 2nd instead and taking on Ceci on top would just be a disaster.

 

[JRichard]

That's not at all what I said. So maybe you should refrain from calling something nonsense after having misinterpreted someone's viewpoint. I'm saying that, even with him being a great leader, it may be more worthwhile to trade him if the value is there. A player like Savard is very useful for a contending team, which we won't be for the next year and a half.

Will take longer: bottom of the league both in goals for(26th) /against (30th).
Next year if one of Montambeault-Suzuki-Caufield goes down its downhill fast. Been lucky this year. Lost Dach and bottom players.

 

[Deus ex machina]

Kyrou is 6'1. I also think it's very unlikely that all three of Catton/Eiserman/Helenius become better players.

He's listed as 6'0, 175 lbs on cap friendly, but maybe that's not accurate.

 

[Draft]

Carrier is a different kind of defenseman and much smaller though.

Yeah, he’s not a direct replacement. Still strong defensively and pretty reliable though, that’s all I’d be looking for. Fits with Guhle, Struble or Xhekaj.

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

As soon as PLD opened up the bidding to several teams and LA was one of them he was going to LA. Anyone could predict that.

My memory isn't the greatest, but I'm pretty sure no one else really tried because they thought PLD wanted to go to Montreal and Montreal only.

James Johnson of thewincolumn.ca says a source tells him the Flames are interested in Harris. Looks more like speculation on his part.

No idea who that is, or that website, so that's probably is just speculation by a random.

 

[Milhouse40]

I'm starting to think there could be a chance to move Armia this TDL.....

 

[BargainBinSpecial]

I see a TDL where maybe an Allen or Pearson moves for a pick and some deal where the Habs retain salary for a pick as a third party. Pretty much stuck with Armia and Gallagher for a little longer until they walk into free agency. Off course, Anderson and Dvorak are the other 2, I would of loved to see dealt for futures but both are just as bad. Savard is good for the kids, so he stays put and Matheson will be a draft move if they decide to part ways.

 

[The Great Weal]

He's listed as 6'0, 175 lbs on cap friendly, but maybe that's not accurate.

He's listed 6'1 196lbs everywhere else. I doubt he weighs the same as Caufield when he's like 6 inches taller.

I'm starting to think there could be a chance to move Armia this TDL.....

We would have to retain 50% and I can't see us getting more than a 3rd (maybe a 2nd if we are very lucky).

 

[yianik]

Here’s a list of all the UFA RHD available this summer (for now). Quite a few names I’d say could replace Savard and be even better. So if we can trade him for a 1st (equivalent) AND grab another RHD vet in the off-season, IF they want to, that should be the way to go. I like Savard and he’s been great with the team but this is a business and we’ve seen first hand what happens when a GM falls in love with his players. It rarely ends well.

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Problem is the good UFAs will want term, and will be a no.4 D anyway, if he is good. So we lock out a young guy. At least Savard only has a year left

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

I'm starting to think there could be a chance to move Armia this TDL.....

There isn't.

Well, unless the Habs take back a shitty contract and/or retain 50%.

He was on waivers earlier in the year.

There was a rumour about a deal involving the Habs, flyers and Capitals I believe and Mantha was in it, but it fell apart.

If Armia didn't have another season, he could be shipped out for a 4th, maybe a 3rd, but I doubt it this year.

Best bet might be the Habs trade Savard and then swap Armia for Ceci if the Oilers get another RHD.

 

[yianik]

You can't just dismiss reports and the majority's opinion just because it doesn't fit your narrative. It's just arguing in bad faith.

Aaron Ward is a former NHL defenseman, he knows a little bit what he's talking about.
Kelly is saying that anybody who can lace his skates would be better that Ceci. Strong endorsement right there. He's not an insider BTW.
But if they work for TFP, they must be bad. Those guys can't even predict the future. They're a joke.

Ceci's name come up because he's not close to being worth what he's making and he's a weak link in EDM's D.
Nobody is gonna give something to have him at that salary. He'd be already traded if that were the case.

You can't say one player is just slightly better that the other so the difference must be...let's say a 2nd...and maybe a 4th?
Doesn't work that way.

I don't think the Habs are gonna trade Savard for less than a 1st. Getting just a late 2nd instead and taking on Ceci on top would just be a disaster.

For less than a 1st or value equivalent, I'm happier keeping Savard. See next year about a trade.

 

[John B]

Don’t need that type of influence around our young players.

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[HuGo Sham]

James Johnson of thewincolumn.ca says a source tells him the Flames are interested in Harris. Looks more like speculation on his part.

Personally, I’d prefer one of the flames young forwards with Hughes adding a sweetener if necessary. We have so many picks the next two drafts

 

[yianik]

Adding Vanek and Petry in 14 and 15 for a 2nd + was amazing. Kovalev in 04 for Balej

Yeah remember Sather could have chosen Plekanec over Balej. But he didn't.

 

[Deus ex machina]

James Johnson of thewincolumn.ca says a source tells him the Flames are interested in Harris. Looks more like speculation on his part.

Not the first time i've heard this rumor.
He says he has a source, so maybe there's something to it.

Yeah remember Sather could have chosen Plekanec over Balej. But he didn't.

I think Bure was one of the options too.

 

[Rapala]

never Understood people craping on Armia, he is a reliable player, PK, size, skills and a few time a year he will be the best player in the ice, is contract isn’t great but it definitely it isn’t the worst…

There are quite a few of the regulars here who have no interest in moving Armia particularly with retention.
He's done a 180 in terms of consistency which was all he ever got taken to task for.
He's overpaid but it isn't to the extent some make it out to be and at least there is some value coming back.
Armia has the rest of this season and all of next season to prove he can play an important role going forward.
Hughes will then have to decide what to do. If he plays as well as he can I'd consider keeping him on a team friendly deal.
If we do move him we have to make sure the player coming in checks all the boxes Armia does when he's on.

 

[Deus ex machina]

Bringing the evidence, doing the research. Props to that.

Thanks. I remembered seeing the video a few days back because of the strong opinions in it, but they're not the only ones criticizing Ceci.

TFP does really suck, but I'm pretty Pagnotta is the one who brought up PLD to LA as a possibility, but I think he almost botched it by stating Clarke was involved in it, or maybe that was another deal. Or that was Kypreos and Pagnotta said he (Clarke) wasn't apart of it.

I think they're based in LA, so they have connections there.

 

[habsfan891]

I’ll give a pick and a prospect for that

I'll give up our 1st for that

 

[CHarlie]

Why do we want to move Matheson?......I really like him actually.....hes an exciting offensive defenceman.

 

[BergevinBurner]

Why do we want to move Matheson?......I really like him actually.....hes an exciting offensive defenceman.

His value is likely at an all time high since defensemen that rely heavily on their skating rarely age well once they get into their 30s.

And I think we could see Hutson start to fill the role of a puck moving defenseman for us as early as next season.

 

[BLONG7]

His value is likely at an all time high since defensemen that rely heavily on their skating rarely age well once they get into their 30s.

And I think we could see Hutson start to fill the role of a puck moving defenseman for us as early as next season.

Speaking of Hutson, do we have an ETA on him? Thought someone said in March?

 

[Habssince89]

His value is likely at an all time high since defensemen that rely heavily on their skating rarely age well once they get into their 30s.

And I think we could see Hutson start to fill the role of a puck moving defenseman for us as early as next season.

Is that actually true nowadays? Seems like the best mobile Dmen are the ones with the longest careers.