HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #86: 2023-2024 Season

[Vachon23]

I can count the amount of TDL that were entertaining to follow on one hand. You?

At least they where entertaining before the TDL even if we where disappointed most of the time (especially in 2017)

 

[Sorinth]

That's not at all what I said. So maybe you should refrain from calling something nonsense after having misinterpreted someone's viewpoint. I'm saying that, even with him being a great leader, it may be more worthwhile to trade him if the value is there. A player like Savard is very useful for a contending team, which we won't be for the next year and a half.

So you didn't say keeping Savard serves next to no purpose? Because you clearly did, which automatically means you feel his mentorship serves next to no purpose for this team.

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

Adding Vanek and Petry in 14 and 15 for a 2nd + was amazing. Kovalev in 04 for Balej

Rangers had a choice between Balej and Plekanec and chose Balej

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

I understand that there is no PP time but if he be able to beat out Janmark or Foegele he could have a spot on the top6/top9…
I understand that there untapped potential, (but he isn’t a guy I believe in) I don’t think he isn’t worth trading Savard at 50% and Evans… Too me that is much value / gamble.

Sorry i'm a little late to the game but his proposal seems very realistic.

Removing a negative in Ceci and adding a positive in Savard is not just a slight upgrade.
I'm not sure the Oilers are prepared to pay that price but it's pretty much what it would take.

The cost for taking on Ceci's contract is around a mid 2nd. EDM's pick will likely be a late 2nd.
I'm pretty sure the Habs won't trade Savard for anything less than a late 1st.

As for Holloway, he was drafted with a mid 1st but i think he's lost value since then. He won't be waiver exempt for much longer now.
Difficult to tell if MTL are interested in him or if EDM are willing to let him go, but value wise, he fits.

There's a reason EDM wants to trade Ceci. They wouldn't if he was good enough.
They need to remove their weak links if they want to go far into the playoffs.

There is literally no reason to believe that Edmonton wants to trade Ceci, it is entirely an internet narrative based on him being the only player on the team who's out going salary and term allows them to acquire Savard. They continue to play him well ahead of Kulak and Desharnais so clearly they would rather move one of them despite the quoting of Jfresh stats lol. Edmonton is reportedly more focused on acquiring forward depth anyways.

Savard is a 3rd pairing dman on a contender and is only a slight upgrade on Ceci who is more mobile and even by Oiler fans accounts a decent dman. There is no way that Edmonton is going to pay a 2nd to get rid of their 4th best dman who only has one season left at 250,000 less than Savard is making next season just to slightly improve their #4D with another player who also is not good enough to be a 2nd pairing dman on a contender.

The narrative surrounding this proposal on this particular board is just blind homer bias where Ceci and Holloway are being intentionally devalued while simultaneously over inflating Savard's tires in a vain attempt to justify an unreasonable proposal.

If Edmonton moves Ceci they will want to do it for a legitimate 2nd pairing defender but are having a tough time trying to find a way to acquire a Parayko or Pulock into the lineup due to their salaries. The notion that Edmonton is going to exhaust a significant portion of their trade assets to acquire David Savard is beyond ridiculous when he is clearly not the answer. The Holloway, Ceci and a 2nd is an entirely tone deaf proposal that is not honestly assessing Edmonton's situation.

 

[TopTenPlayz]

I can count the amount of TDL that were entertaining to follow on one hand. You?

Yea yea i know. Me too.

Rangers had a choice between Balej and Plekanec and chose Balej

That's partly because Balej was killin it in the AHL that year.

 

[Egresch]

Tanev is 34 and not really worth more than a 2 year deal, maybe 3. He's likely pushing for 4, or 5, so he's easy to pass.

Brett Pesce would be a great signature, but likely goes elsewhere if he reaches the market.

Florida would have the room for Montour.

That's about it.

Habs would be better off to trade Savard and then see if a team has an overpriced RHD with a year, or 2 left and take them on as a vet assuming they're not a pos person.

I order to keep all their free agents, Florida might be willing to move Ekblad. RHD with one year of 7,5M. In the summer, Savard out, Ekblad in and we get assets for both

 

[Deus ex machina]

There is literally no reason to believe that Edmonton wants to trade Ceci, it is entirely an internet narrative based on him being the only player on the team who's out going salary and term allows them to acquire Savard. They continue to play him well ahead of Kulak and Desharnais so clearly they would rather move one of them despite the quoting of Jfresh stats lol. Edmonton is reportedly more focused on acquiring forward depth anyways.

Savard is a 3rd pairing dman on a contender and is only a slight upgrade on Ceci who is more mobile and even by Oiler fans accounts a decent dman. There is no way that Edmonton is going to pay a 2nd to get rid of their 4th best dman who only has one season left at 250,000 less than Savard is making next season just to slightly improve their #4D with another player who also is not good enough to be a 2nd pairing dman on a contender.

The narrative surrounding this proposal on this particular board is just blind homer bias where Ceci and Holloway are being intentionally devalued while simultaneously over inflating Savard's tires in a vain attempt to justify an unreasonable proposal.

If Edmonton moves Ceci they will want to do it for a legitimate 2nd pairing defender but are having a tough time trying to find a way to acquire a Parayko or Pulock into the lineup due to their salaries. The notion that Edmonton is going to exhaust a significant portion of their trade assets to acquire David Savard is beyond ridiculous when he is clearly not the answer. The Holloway, Ceci and a 2nd is an entirely tone deaf proposal that is not honestly assessing Edmonton's situation.

I'm not saying EDM would do this. I'm saying that this will likely be the ask from MTL.
EDM has also the option of trading Ceci to Chicago or something.
I think the Habs will try to win next year, so i don't see them wanting to add Ceci even with a sweetener.

Pierre Lebrun said that EDM offered a 1st for Tanev but Calgary turned it down because EDM wanted to include a salary in the deal. Likely Ceci since he's a RD too. So it seems they're willing to give a 1st to upgrade their D.

From what i've heard multiple times, the Oilers are trying to get a top 6 forward, an upgrade on D and at 4C mainly,

If Ceci is playing more, maybe they're just trying to up his value. It's been known to happen and they're good enough to win now even with him on the 2nd pair.
Not sure about the playoffs though. I think that's the whole idea. They need a playoff warrior like Savard.

Ceci, Kulak and Foegele are names that have been mentioned as available by multiple insiders.
They are clearly the players EDM are trying to get rid of to clear cap space.
So that's mainly why they are included in most trade proposals. This and the fact that most people say Ceci sucks. It's not homer bias. It's just reality.

Just check out this video, at about the halfway mark. You'll see what i mean.

 

[The Great Weal]

What if we trade our 1st+Anderson for Kyrou if Celebrini/Demidov/Lindstrom aren't there

 

[Deus ex machina]

What if we trade our 1st+Anderson for Kyrou if Celebrini/Demidov/Lindstrom aren't there

I don't think KH will give prime assets to get rid of contracts at this point.

 

[The Great Weal]

I don't think KH will give prime assets to get rid of contracts at this point.

I mean he's also getting a soon-to-be 26-year-old with 70+ point seasons the past 2 seasons and on pace for 65 this season.

 

[Deus ex machina]

I mean he's also getting a soon-to-be 26-year-old with 70+ point seasons the past 2 seasons and on pace for 65 this season.

I know. But i don't think he's worth a top 6 pick on his own given his age and salary.
Would be giving a part of that pick's worth to send Anderson away, right?

 

[SwiftyHab]

When do we start the final trade countdown thread mods?

 

[The Great Weal]

I know. But i don't think he's worth a top 6 pick on his own given his age and salary.
Would be giving a part of that pick's worth to send Anderson away, right?

Well not many teams can just absorb an 8 million contract longterm without sending anything back. Not to mention that you have to be very confident that the forward you take (not Celebrini/Demidov/Lindstrom) will be more valuable.

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

I'm not saying EDM would do this. I'm saying that this will likely be the ask from MTL.
EDM has also the option of trading Ceci to Chicago or something.
I think the Habs will try to win next year, so i don't see them wanting to add Ceci even with a sweetener.

Pierre Lebrun said that EDM offered a 1st for Tanev but Calgary turned it down because EDM wanted to include a salary in the deal. Likely Ceci since he's a RD too. So it seems they're willing to give a 1st to upgrade their D.

From what i've heard multiple times, the Oilers are trying to get a top 6 forward, an upgrade on D and at 4C mainly,

If Ceci is playing more, maybe they're just trying to up his value. It's been known to happen and they're good enough to win now even with him on the 2nd pair.
Not sure about the playoffs though. I think that's the whole idea. They need a playoff warrior like Savard.

Ceci, Kulak and Foegele are names that have been mentioned as available by multiple insiders.
They are clearly the players EDM are trying to get rid of to clear cap space.
So that's mainly why they are included in most trade proposals. This and the fact that most people say Ceci sucks. It's not homer bias. It's just reality.

Just check out this video, at about the halfway mark. You'll see what i mean.

TFP have no insiders....it is a pathetic publication and a long standing joke around here.

Comparing Tanev to Savard is odd as Tanev is universally considered a significantly better player than Savard and yes, I would totally understand Edmonton going after him with a first as he is a significant upgrade over Ceci. Once again, Ceci is factually their 4th best dman as he has averaged over 20 minutes a game for his entire tenure in Edmonton and it has absolutely nothing to do with them pumping his tires.

Ceci's name only comes up because their right side is much weaker than the left and moving Desharnais doesn't clear enough space. I would not be surprised at all to Ce seevci moved because of this but that is very different then the narrative that he is a player that they would love to move on from. They would much rather prefer to have him on their 3rd pairing and bump Desharnais out of the lineup.

To be clear, I have never been a Ceci fan and I do agree that Savard is an upgrade.......just not enough of an upgrade to return Holloway and a 2nd and taking a slightly lesser contract back in Ceci that expires after next season and is easily moved in the off season does not move the needle much. If Edmonton does choose to go after Savard I would bet that my proposal of Savard for Ceci and a conditional 2nd that turns into a 1st if they go to the finals as well as a 2025 4th will be much closer to the final price. I could also see Edmonton coughing up their first if they get desperate and perhaps may be more likely as I am not sure that my proposal would be worth losing Savard over if Edmonton bows out early.....perhaps it should be contingent on them reaching the conference finals?

If Edmonton gives up a significant asset to upgrade Ceci to Savard then that means that other preferable options fell through and they would have panicked themselves into another poor asset management scenario.

 

[Deus ex machina]

Well not many teams can just absorb an 8 million contract longterm without sending anything back. Not to mention that you have to be very confident that the forward you take (not Celebrini/Demidov/Lindstrom) will be more valuable.

I wouldn't trade a top 6 pick for a smallish forward 8 years older. But maybe that's just me.

 

[The Great Weal]

I wouldn't trade a top 6 pick for a smallish forward 8 years older. But maybe that's just me.

Kyrou is 6'1. I also think it's very unlikely that all three of Catton/Eiserman/Helenius become better players.

 

[Draft]

Savard may regress next year, I’d trade him while he has value. As much as I appreciate what he can bring to the team in terms of leadership, it’s not worth a 1st or equivalent.

I’d pursue a long-term veteran option at RD either via trade or FA during the offseason. Carrier would be an interesting option given that he’s only 27 and should be signed for a reasonable amount. Let Reinbacher/Barron/Mailloux earn a spot and move forward with a bit more predictability.

 

[Egresch]

Well not many teams can just absorb an 8 million contract longterm without sending anything back. Not to mention that you have to be very confident that the forward you take (not Celebrini/Demidov/Lindstrom) will be more valuable.

A- I dont think STL is willing to trade Kyrou. Duo Thomas/Kyrou is a solid base for them.
B- We will pick some player even if those three are gone. Parekh, Iginla, Catton,... all are interesting pieces.

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

I'm not saying EDM would do this. I'm saying that this will likely be the ask from MTL.
EDM has also the option of trading Ceci to Chicago or something.
I think the Habs will try to win next year, so i don't see them wanting to add Ceci even with a sweetener.

Pierre Lebrun said that EDM offered a 1st for Tanev but Calgary turned it down because EDM wanted to include a salary in the deal. Likely Ceci since he's a RD too. So it seems they're willing to give a 1st to upgrade their D.

From what i've heard multiple times, the Oilers are trying to get a top 6 forward, an upgrade on D and at 4C mainly,

If Ceci is playing more, maybe they're just trying to up his value. It's been known to happen and they're good enough to win now even with him on the 2nd pair.
Not sure about the playoffs though. I think that's the whole idea. They need a playoff warrior like Savard.

Ceci, Kulak and Foegele are names that have been mentioned as available by multiple insiders.
They are clearly the players EDM are trying to get rid of to clear cap space.
So that's mainly why they are included in most trade proposals. This and the fact that most people say Ceci sucks. It's not homer bias. It's just reality.

Just check out this video, at about the halfway mark. You'll see what i mean.

Bringing the evidence, doing the research. Props to that.

TFP have no insiders....it is a pathetic publication and a long standing joke around here.

Comparing Tanev to Savard is odd as Tanev is universally considered a significantly better player than Savard and yes, I would totally understand Edmonton going after him with a first as he is a significant upgrade over Ceci. Once again, Ceci is factually their 4th best dman as he has averaged over 20 minutes a game for his entire tenure in Edmonton and it has absolutely nothing to do with them pumping his tires.

Ceci's name only comes up because their right side is much weaker than the left and moving Desharnais doesn't clear enough space. I would not be surprised at all to Ce seevci moved because of this but that is very different then the narrative that he is a player that they would love to move on from. They would much rather prefer to have him on their 3rd pairing and bump Desharnais out of the lineup.

To be clear, I have never been a Ceci fan and I do agree that Savard is an upgrade.......just not enough of an upgrade to return Holloway and a 2nd and taking a slightly lesser contract back in Ceci that expires after next season and is easily moved in the off season does not move the needle much. If Edmonton does choose to go after Savard I would bet that my proposal of Savard for Ceci and a conditional 2nd that turns into a 1st if they go to the finals as well as a 2025 4th will be much closer to the final price. I could also see Edmonton coughing up their first if they get desperate and perhaps may be more likely as I am not sure that my proposal would be worth losing Savard over if Edmonton bows out early.....perhaps it should be contingent on them reaching the conference finals?

If Edmonton gives up a significant asset to upgrade Ceci to Savard then that means that other preferable options fell through and they would have panicked themselves into another poor asset management scenario.

TFP does really suck, but I'm pretty Pagnotta is the one who brought up PLD to LA as a possibility, but I think he almost botched it by stating Clarke was involved in it, or maybe that was another deal. Or that was Kypreos and Pagnotta said he (Clarke) wasn't apart of it.

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

Bringing the evidence, doing the research. Props to that.

TFP does really suck, but I'm pretty Pagnotta is the one who brought up PLD to LA as a possibility, but I think he almost botched it by stating Clarke was involved in it, or maybe that was another deal. Or that was Kypreos and Pagnotta said he (Clarke) wasn't apart of it.

As soon as PLD opened up the bidding to several teams and LA was one of them he was going to LA. Anyone could predict that.

 

[HuGort]

It's an interesting point. We'll see if Hutson is even NHL ready at the end of this year.

I think they will give him a look.

 

[CaptainKirk]

James Johnson of thewincolumn.ca says a source tells him the Flames are interested in Harris. Looks more like speculation on his part.

 

[OldCraig71]

No question. But watching Kovacevic flounder against Tampa, it should be clear to anyone watching closely that Kovacevic is at best a gap filler on the team’s defence. If he’s still a part of the team’s defence in 26/27 then we must come to the harsh realization that our supposed impending wave of promising defensive prospects is largely illusory.

I could see a team taking Kovacevic at the tdl, he's on a cheap contract and is solid depth for a contending team. He is getting exposed now without a stronger D partner but he has been a good soldier considering he was plucked from the waiver wire.

 

[Habs Icing]

My bold prediction:
1- we don’t make any intersting moves by TDL
2-we don’t lose enough to significantly change our draft pick
3-we don’t win enough to make things fun
4-Reinbacher and Hutson may play game 82

All in all, my bold prediction is that there’s nothing to see here till the draft

When you say nothing to see till the draft do you mean like Marilyn Monroe walking over the subway vent and getting a draft of wind to blow up her skirt?

 

[SwiftyHab]

When you say nothing to see till the draft do you mean like Marilyn Monroe walking over the subway vent and getting a draft of wind to blow up her skirt?

I’ll give a pick and a prospect for that