Estimated_Prophet
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You can't just dismiss reports and the majority's opinion just because it doesn't fit your narrative. It's just arguing in bad faith.
Aaron Ward is a former NHL defenseman, he knows a little bit what he's talking about.
Kelly is saying that anybody who can lace his skates would be better that Ceci. Strong endorsement right there. He's not an insider BTW.
But if they work for TFP, they must be bad. Those guys can't even predict the future. They're a joke.
Ceci's name come up because he's not close to being worth what he's making and he's a weak link in EDM's D.
Nobody is gonna give something to have him at that salary. He'd be already traded if that were the case.
You can't say one player is just slightly better that the other so the difference must be...let's say a 2nd...and maybe a 4th?
Doesn't work that way.
I don't think the Habs are gonna trade Savard for less than a 1st. Getting just a late 2nd instead and taking on Ceci on top would just be a disaster.
The only sentence that you wrote that is correct is the final sentence.
You keep making circular logic assertions and stating a fallacy as your starting point. You are mistaking a misinterpretation/comprehension issue for majority opinion when in fact you have no idea what the actual majority opinion is. I know plenty of ex NHLers and enough current ones to know that many of them are surprisingly clueless about the game from a team building and player evaluation stand point. I would compare it to soldiers who know how to use a specific skill set but are otherwise incapable of seeing the larger picture. Hockey players are extremely dumb as a whole which is the result of being raised by dumb humans and then surrounded by their dumb offspring who then proceed to create a bubble around them.
Edmonton factually believes that Ceci is more effective than Kulak and Desharnais and there is nothing that Ward or Kelly can say to refute that. This is much more important evidence than an outsider fron TFP with average intellect at best sharing his uninformed opinion.
It has been demonstrated endlessly that Ceci is a guy who would need to be moved due to cap space, this is a unarguable fact. It is your opinion that they want to move him more than Desharnais or Kulak but there is absolutely no evidence of that. One year at 3.25M is hardly outrageous for RD who has averaged over 20 minutes per game for the majority of his career and has continued to be used at this rate for the entire tenure of his term with his current team.
You are putting way too much leverage in to your opinion and other outsiders opinions and are doing the at the expense of objectivity. You are basically scouring FOX News for a balanced opinion and then citing your findings as majority consensus
There is no argument from myself that would attempt to refute that Savard is better than Kulak nor is there an argument that I would want Ceci on a playoff team. You are getting lost in the weeds as I am only stating that there are weaker links on their blueline and they would rather exchange them for Savard if the cap allowed it.....it is irrelevant to the conversation if an ex player does not think Ceci is good because that player is not trading him. The undeniable fact is that Edmonton clearly do not think that Ceci is the player on their blueline that must go before all others.
Fact: Ceci's contract will line up better on a balance sheet with any proposed upgrade at RD
Opinion: Ceci is their worst defender and they want to move on from him more so than Desharnais
You are entitled to your opinion but it does not explain why Ceci is more trusted than Desharnais by the Edmonton coaching staff. The correct approach is to acknowledge that Ceci would need to leave due to his cap hit and to surmise that they would rather move Desharnais. Anything else is just moving away from a likely reality to a less likely reality that requires additional variables that can be pulled out of one's rear such as them playing Ceci 20 minutes a game for 3 years in order to inflate his trade value at this particular deadline lol.