HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #86: 2023-2024 Season

[JRichard]

So another top 5 pick next season?

Replacing Savard by another veteran doesnt stop the team from improving in standings…
Can even replace him with a better one.

 

[Sterling Archer]

Here’s a list of all the UFA RHD available this summer (for now). Quite a few names I’d say could replace Savard and be even better. So if we can trade him for a 1st (equivalent) AND grab another RHD vet in the off-season, IF they want to, that should be the way to go. I like Savard and he’s been great with the team but this is a business and we’ve seen first hand what happens when a GM falls in love with his players. It rarely ends well.

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[calder candidate]

For me anyways, the issue with Armia is his lack of motivation....his want to. Most of the time he's just going through the motions out there. When he's engaged, he's a quality 3rd line player. When he isn't, he doesn't belong in the NHL.

Even when isn’t as « motivated » he is still and NHL player… even if one game he isn’t a NHLer and the next he is one of best player on the ice, there a bunch of player that have the same low without the high.

 

[eklund the clown]

For me anyways, the issue with Armia is his lack of motivation....his want to. Most of the time he's just going through the motions out there. When he's engaged, he's a quality 3rd line player. When he isn't, he doesn't belong in the NHL.

Spot on.He has been good the last 10 games but where has he been the rest of the season.Basically useless.If they can get rid of him for anything would be a bonus.

 

[Deus ex machina]

I think any sane Hab fan would love this trade but is so outrageously lopsided that it can not be considered a reasonable proposal.

Edmonton are not trading Holloway and a 2nd for a slight upgrade on Ceci.....I mean, I hope they would but the definitely would not

Sorry i'm a little late to the game but his proposal seems very realistic.

Removing a negative in Ceci and adding a positive in Savard is not just a slight upgrade.
I'm not sure the Oilers are prepared to pay that price but it's pretty much what it would take.

The cost for taking on Ceci's contract is around a mid 2nd. EDM's pick will likely be a late 2nd.
I'm pretty sure the Habs won't trade Savard for anything less than a late 1st.

As for Holloway, he was drafted with a mid 1st but i think he's lost value since then. He won't be waiver exempt for much longer now.
Difficult to tell if MTL are interested in him or if EDM are willing to let him go, but value wise, he fits.

There's a reason EDM wants to trade Ceci. They wouldn't if he was good enough.
They need to remove their weak links if they want to go far into the playoffs.

 

[CHwest]

Here’s a list of all the UFA RHD available this summer (for now). Quite a few names I’d say could replace Savard and be even better. So if we can trade him for a 1st (equivalent) AND grab another RHD vet in the off-season, IF they want to, that should be the way to go. I like Savard and he’s been great with the team but this is a business and we’ve seen first hand what happens when a GM falls in love with his players. It rarely ends well.

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I think Hugh's has been doing well getting good picks, and I would guess what you are proposing would be right up his alley. I have felt that ever since the salary cap came in the GM is the MVP of a team. Asset management!!

 

[ChesterNimitz]

So another top 5 pick next season?

Trade both, and you’re angling for a top 2 pick.

 

[Canadiens98]

never Understood people craping on Armia, he is a reliable player, PK, size, skills and a few time a year he will be the best player in the ice, is contract isn’t great but it definitely it isn’t the worst…

In my opinion it's because sometimes he looks checked out and it's frustrating to watch but I agree with you

 

[Catanddogguitarrr]

If we can get a really good young forward or top 15 draft pick, it may be better to trade Matheson and keep Savard to mentor the youth.

Savard is better mentoring the kids. And Matheson could more bring cuz he's 29 and he skates fast.

Trade both, and you’re angling for a top 2 pick.

You mean both to the same team? But that contender team doesn't have high pick.

 

[Adam Michaels]

Men do I miss the TDL when we where actually looking to add players. Does TDL are now boring, I actually forgot the TDL was this week

That day should come. This won't last. I hope it won't. Don't want to be another Buffalo, Ottawa or Anaheim.

But I believe the way they positioned themselves, acquiring a lot of 2025 picks, my guess is their aim is to be more buyers than sellers by then.

They have 2 x 1st, 2 x 2nd, 2 x 3rd. They might pick up a few more along the way and add to that.

 

[26Mats]

Savard is better mentoring the kids. And Matheson could more bring cuz he's 29 and he skates fast.


You mean both to the same team? But that contender team doesn't have high pick.

I think Hughes may hang on to Matheson at least until someone else like Hutson is ready to run PP1.

But we'll see if Hughes ends up trading Matheson before Hughes is ready, or on the other side, he ends up keeping Matheson even if Hutson take over PP1.

Right now I think it would take a Romanov like return, with a deal for a Dach like prospect waiting in the wings, for Hughes to move Matheson.

That day should come. This won't last. I hope it won't. Don't want to be another Buffalo, Ottawa or Anaheim.

But I believe the way they positioned themselves, acquiring a lot of 2025 picks, my guess is their aim is to be more buyers than sellers by then.

They have 2 x 1st, 2 x 2nd, 2 x 3rd. They might pick up a few more along the way and add to that.

My guess is we'll still be more buyers of young talent with those picks, not of vets. Hughes did say he's happy with the way the rebuild is going, but that there's still a lot of work to do.

 

[SwiftyHab]

My bold prediction:
1- we don’t make any intersting moves by TDL
2-we don’t lose enough to significantly change our draft pick
3-we don’t win enough to make things fun
4-Reinbacher and Hutson may play game 82

All in all, my bold prediction is that there’s nothing to see here till the draft

 

[McGees]

If they don’t trade a vet they’ll need to trade a Harris or Kovy. Hutson will get games soon and Struble is coming back and we have too many D.

 

[ChesterNimitz]

Savard is better mentoring the kids. And Matheson could more bring cuz he's 29 and he skates fast.


You mean both to the same team? But that contender team doesn't have high pick.

I mean who is going to replace the approximate 45 minutes of high leveraged playing time per game these two veterans now play?

 

[le_sean]

My bold prediction:
1- we don’t make any intersting moves by TDL
2-we don’t lose enough to significantly change our draft pick
3-we don’t win enough to make things fun
4-Reinbacher and Hutson may play game 82

All in all, my bold prediction is that there’s nothing to see here till the draft

Which is fine. Next season is the one that they should be trying to make a bit of noise (year 3 of a rebuild).

The Savard debate isn't even a valid one; Hughes probably has a price in mind, and if a club is willing the pay that price, Savard will be traded. Mentoring the kids is not a reason to keep him nor is he irreplaceable as a player. Some people fail to realize we're one of the worst teams in the league and it serves next to no purpose to keep him for a year and a half.

And Kent sees the value of the human side of management (Petry, DeSmith). If Savard is going to put his body on the line blocking huge shots on the PK every night, he shouldn’t really be doing that for a team going nowhere.

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

Here’s a list of all the UFA RHD available this summer (for now). Quite a few names I’d say could replace Savard and be even better. So if we can trade him for a 1st (equivalent) AND grab another RHD vet in the off-season, IF they want to, that should be the way to go. I like Savard and he’s been great with the team but this is a business and we’ve seen first hand what happens when a GM falls in love with his players. It rarely ends well.

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Tanev is 34 and not really worth more than a 2 year deal, maybe 3. He's likely pushing for 4, or 5, so he's easy to pass.

Brett Pesce would be a great signature, but likely goes elsewhere if he reaches the market.

Florida would have the room for Montour.

That's about it.

Habs would be better off to trade Savard and then see if a team has an overpriced RHD with a year, or 2 left and take them on as a vet assuming they're not a pos person.

 

[ChesterNimitz]

My bold prediction:
1- we don’t make any intersting moves by TDL
2-we don’t lose enough to significantly change our draft pick
3-we don’t win enough to make things fun
4-Reinbacher and Hutson may play game 82

All in all, my bold prediction is that there’s nothing to see here till the draft

Sounds like you’re the glass is half-empty sort of person.

 

[JRichard]

Savard is better mentoring the kids. And Matheson could more bring cuz he's 29 and he skates fast.


You mean both to the same team? But that contender team doesn't have high pick.

Of course the pick or picks will be late. Its tdl… good teams do the buying. Pick could be in 25 or even 26.

No team will want both Savard and Matheson because of cap. And term. I believe both are staying.

 

[OldCraig71]

I wouldn't trade Savard. He has been a steadying presence for each of the young guys that have played with him. Arber Xhekaj looks like a much better player with him than he ever did next to Kovacevic. He is more valuable here, I see him like an on-ice coach for our young players.

 

[TopTenPlayz]

Bah even then, it was often boring as well.

Trades are hard ...

Adding Vanek and Petry in 14 and 15 for a 2nd + was amazing. Kovalev in 04 for Balej

 

[ChesterNimitz]

I wouldn't trade Savard. He has been a steadying presence for each of the young guys that have played with him. Arber Xhekaj looks like a much better player with him than he ever did next to Kovacevic. He is more valuable here, I see him like an on-ice coach for our young players.

No question. But watching Kovacevic flounder against Tampa, it should be clear to anyone watching closely that Kovacevic is at best a gap filler on the team’s defence. If he’s still a part of the team’s defence in 26/27 then we must come to the harsh realization that our supposed impending wave of promising defensive prospects is largely illusory.

 

[Sorinth]

The Savard debate isn't even a valid one; Hughes probably has a price in mind, and if a club is willing the pay that price, Savard will be traded. Mentoring the kids is not a reason to keep him nor is he irreplaceable as a player. Some people fail to realize we're one of the worst teams in the league and it serves next to no purpose to keep him for a year and a half.

Are you saying mentoring the kids serves no purpose? That's nonsense.

It's true Hughes likely has a price in mind and will only trade him if a team pays that price. But that price is based on things like the value Savard brings in terms of mentoring the kids.

 

[BLONG7]

Come on HuGo.......................we need some new chatter, and a little deadline week excitement....

No offense, guys, we have been driving around in circles now, for the past couple of weeks.

I think Yoel, is gone up front, and there has to be at least one Dman gone, not sure who it's going to be, but there has to be one gone at the deadline.
Orville and Lane are coming to play a few games, so there has to be some movement.

As for goalies, good god Kent.............make something happen, no one wants Allen, he has been awful and makes too much dough.............Primeau will net us something....

 

[vokiel]

Adding Vanek and Petry in 14 and 15 for a 2nd + was amazing. Kovalev in 04 for Balej

I can count the amount of TDL that were entertaining to follow on one hand. You?

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

That day should come. This won't last. I hope it won't. Don't want to be another Buffalo, Ottawa or Anaheim.

But I believe the way they positioned themselves, acquiring a lot of 2025 picks, my guess is their aim is to be more buyers than sellers by then.

They have 2 x 1st, 2 x 2nd, 2 x 3rd. They might pick up a few more along the way and add to that.

They will likely try to add judiciously at next years trade deadline if they are in contention. Either add a young player with term or a UFA that comes relatively cheap ( a 2nd maybe)