HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #86: 2023-2024 Season

[LaP]

I see zero value coming back or significantly over valuation of Holloway. I wouldn’t trade Savard for this package and I sure wouldn’t throw in Evans.

couldn’t see what people saw in Holloway in is draft year (I could see it, but didn’t think it was projectable or I just also saw a lot of issues) and I can’t see why everyone see in him right now… the guy on a entry level contract on a team that has zero depth and he isn’t able to contribute he might still improve he will likely have a NHL career but probably never will be a legit top 6…

Do we have a Desharnais quota to maintain because I can see why we want a 27yo D that a bottom pair on a team that have a weak D core maybe as a winger that could be a profile we could use as a bottom 6, but he bring zero value as D and he will be a UFA…

I'd rather get a pick than Holloway. Everything point at Wawa being a better player than Holloway. Junior stats, AHL stats and NHL stats are all in favor of Roy as well as the eye test and he has better hockey IQ imo. If Holloway is behind Roy in the depth chart then he wont be very useful for us. I'D rather get another first which we could package to get something better or aim for the fence with the pick.

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

Flat earthers and anti-vaxxers ignore real stats and just follow hearsay.

But this is going nowhere. Neither of our expectations for the trade will come to fruition.

Just like you ignore real stats such as usage and cherry pick other stats that are entirely without context.

I do agree however that we will not come to an agreement despite the fact that we both like Savard and do not like Ceci lol and neither trade is likely to be consummated.

 

[le_sean]

I'd rather get a pick than Holloway. Everything point at Wawa being a better player than Holloway. Junior stats, AHL stats and NHL stats are all in favor of Roy as well as the eye test and he has better hockey IQ imo. If Holloway is behind Roy in the depth chart then he wont be very useful for us. I'D rather get another first which we could package to get something better or aim for the fence with the pick.

I think Holloway can become an elite 3rd liner, playing alongside Beck. We don’t have the star power on the top lines, so we will have to win by depth.

 

[Adam Michaels]

It will be interesting if someone places a claim on Kuznetsov. But that is a big contract to take up.

I'm no capologist, but in Montreal's case, if they place Dvorak on LTIR, maybe that would make enough room. Carey is on LTIR, but they haven't used his entire $10.5M yet. According to CapFriendly, they still have $5.69M of LTIR relief unused. If they add Dvorak's $4.45M, they will likely have enough to claim Kuznetsov.

5.69 + 4.45 = $10.14M (they'd still have about $2.34M to work with).

The good news also is that he doesn't suddenly bust your salary structure because he makes less than Suzuki and Caufield.

 

[sampollock]

How many here really thought the Habs had a chance on Petterson???

 

[LaP]

How many here really thought the Habs had a chance on Petterson???

No me

 

[sheed36]

It will be interesting if someone places a claim on Kuznetsov. But that is a big contract to take up.

I'm no capologist, but in Montreal's case, if they place Dvorak on LTIR, maybe that would make enough room. Carey is on LTIR, but they haven't used his entire $10.5M yet. According to CapFriendly, they still have $5.69M of LTIR relief unused. If they add Dvorak's $4.45M, they will likely have enough to claim Kuznetsov.

5.69 + 4.45 = $10.14M (they'd still have about $2.34M to work with).

The good news also is that he doesn't suddenly bust your salary structure because he makes less than Suzuki and Caufield.

It also looks like the Habs still have Dach and Wideman listed on IR and didn't transfer them to LTIR so I'm guessing both can still be transferred to LTIR for more available cap if needed but I could be incorrect on that.

 

[Adam Michaels]

It also looks like the Habs still have Dach and Wideman listed on IR and didn't transfer them to LTIR so I'm guessing both can still be transferred to LTIR for more available cap if needed but I could be incorrect on that.

Yes, you're right, they would also qualify for LTIR if they need cap relief.

 

[John B]

It will be interesting if someone places a claim on Kuznetsov. But that is a big contract to take up.

I'm no capologist, but in Montreal's case, if they place Dvorak on LTIR, maybe that would make enough room. Carey is on LTIR, but they haven't used his entire $10.5M yet. According to CapFriendly, they still have $5.69M of LTIR relief unused. If they add Dvorak's $4.45M, they will likely have enough to claim Kuznetsov.

5.69 + 4.45 = $10.14M (they'd still have about $2.34M to work with).

The good news also is that he doesn't suddenly bust your salary structure because he makes less than Suzuki and Caufield.

If GMs are smart they don't place a claim on him and force the Caps to trade him with an incentive.

I would try to unload a contract back to the Caps and take an asset back along with the Kuznetsov contract. Might be a chance to dump Dvorak or Armia while gambling on Kuznetsov rebounding. Similar to the Monahan situation except the Habs ship out a contract instead of future considerations. The big question is wether or not the Habs would be able to get a 1st rounder from the Caps like they did with Monahan and the Flames. Caps are likely missing the playoffs this year and might be on the cusp of a retool. Maybe they would feel more comfortable giving up a prospect.

 

[le_sean]

If GMs are smart they don't place a claim on him and force the Caps to trade him with an incentive.

I would try to unload a contract back to the Caps and take an asset back along with the Kuznetsov contract. Might be a chance to dump Dvorak or Armia while gambling on Kuznetsov rebounding. Similar to the Monahan situation except the Habs ship out a contract instead of future considerations. The big question is wether or not the Habs would be able to get a 1st rounder from the Caps like they did with Monahan and the Flames. Caps are likely missing the playoffs this year and might be on the cusp of a retool. Maybe they would feel more comfortable giving up a prospect.

Don’t need that type of influence around our young players.

 

[Deebs]

Don’t need that type of influence around our young players.

Absolutely. From the outside looking in and listening to what the staff and players are saying, we have a great room. No need to throw the snowman into the mix and turn it into a turdburger.

 

[tazsub3]

Flat earthers and anti-vaxxers ignore real stats and just follow hearsay.

But this is going nowhere. Neither of our expectations for the trade will come to fruition.

You mean the earth is not flat ? Damn and here I was learning about it from Kyrie Irving ! Oh well back to the drawing board trying to find another way to fall off the end of the earth

It will be interesting if someone places a claim on Kuznetsov. But that is a big contract to take up.

I'm no capologist, but in Montreal's case, if they place Dvorak on LTIR, maybe that would make enough room. Carey is on LTIR, but they haven't used his entire $10.5M yet. According to CapFriendly, they still have $5.69M of LTIR relief unused. If they add Dvorak's $4.45M, they will likely have enough to claim Kuznetsov.

5.69 + 4.45 = $10.14M (they'd still have about $2.34M to work with).

The good news also is that he doesn't suddenly bust your salary structure because he makes less than Suzuki and Caufield.

If not mistaken the habs can easily absorb it , not that they will without Dvorak .
As this time of the year you have to prorate the cost of the contact and they have more then enough

 

[HuGort]

Be good to keep Savard. He be optimum partner for Hutson next year.

 

[26Mats]

Be good to keep Savard. He be optimum partner for Hutson next year.

Hutson? What is the top 6 with Hutson?

 

[Miller Time]

Hutson? What is the top 6 with Hutson?

Matheson Guhle
Hutson Savard
Xhekaj ?
?

Kovacevic/Barron/Harris (waiver risk, so either they get moved or make the opening day roster)

RB/Mailloux/Strubble (waiver exempt, so will have to secure a top 4 min spot for team to not want them in Laval until a spot opens from injury... Same goes for Hutson)

Unlikely Hutson makes the team out of camp, but not impossible...

 

[26Mats]

Matheson Guhle
Hutson Savard
Xhekaj ?
?

Kovacevic/Barron/Harris (waiver risk, so either they get moved or make the opening day roster)

RB/Mailloux/Strubble (waiver exempt, so will have to secure a top 4 min spot for team to not want them in Laval until a spot opens from injury... Same goes for Hutson)

Unlikely Hutson makes the team out of camp, but not impossible...

Struble is an NHLer.

It will be interesting if someone places a claim on Kuznetsov. But that is a big contract to take up.

I'm no capologist, but in Montreal's case, if they place Dvorak on LTIR, maybe that would make enough room. Carey is on LTIR, but they haven't used his entire $10.5M yet. According to CapFriendly, they still have $5.69M of LTIR relief unused. If they add Dvorak's $4.45M, they will likely have enough to claim Kuznetsov.

5.69 + 4.45 = $10.14M (they'd still have about $2.34M to work with).

The good news also is that he doesn't suddenly bust your salary structure because he makes less than Suzuki and Caufield.

Kuznetsov may be done.


If kent were to take a chance on him, I think he'd be able to send Armia/Dvo and/or Allen the other way.

 

[Miller Time]

Struble is an NHLer.

And waiver exempt.

Until he's a playoff caliber top 4 regular, or loses his waiver eligibility, Laval is an option as long as we have other similar young players who are not waiver exempt

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

It will be interesting if someone places a claim on Kuznetsov. But that is a big contract to take up.

I'm no capologist, but in Montreal's case, if they place Dvorak on LTIR, maybe that would make enough room. Carey is on LTIR, but they haven't used his entire $10.5M yet. According to CapFriendly, they still have $5.69M of LTIR relief unused. If they add Dvorak's $4.45M, they will likely have enough to claim Kuznetsov.

5.69 + 4.45 = $10.14M (they'd still have about $2.34M to work with).

The good news also is that he doesn't suddenly bust your salary structure because he makes less than Suzuki and Caufield.

The only point to take him on is to use the last retention spot, but at this point that might only get you a 3rd.

 

[26Mats]

And waiver exempt.

Until he's a playoff caliber top 4 regular, or loses his waiver eligibility, Laval is an option as long as we have other similar young players who are not waiver exempt

I suppose if Hutson wins a spot it's an option short term.

But I think Hughes will try to make a trade and only go that route if he doesn't like the offers.

 

[ML16]

Apparently, Colorado was one of the final teams in on Tanev. Seems like they're trying to add a right shot defenceman.

Surprising if true. Avs have Makar, Manson and Johnson (at league minimum), I would think that replacing the latter with Savard would be a luxury they can’t afford considering they should use their cap space for a middle-6 center…

 

[Canadiens98]

Joel Armia is quietly on pace for 15-20 goals with a +/- rating around 0 on a team with a -46 goal differential .. All while contributing on the PK.

Josh Anderson's trade value may be at an all-time low but Armia's value is slowly creeping back up. Especially considering his contract expires at the end of next season and we could always retain.


Definitely not expecting any great prospect or pick, but he could be a player we include (retained) if HUGO make a move this summer.

 

[JeffreyLFC]

I would gladly take Turcotte and/or Holloway with the habs. I think their age and profile is perfect for the habs timeline.

 

[calder candidate]

Holloway is on a team where there is no room in the top 6 or on the pp and he is playing with sh*tters in the bottom 6. He at least makes sense as a player with size, speed and upside who would be perfect for Marty to work with.

I understand that there is no PP time but if he be able to beat out Janmark or Foegele he could have a spot on the top6/top9…
I understand that there untapped potential, (but he isn’t a guy I believe in) I don’t think he isn’t worth trading Savard at 50% and Evans… Too me that is much value / gamble.

 

[calder candidate]

Joel Armia is quietly on pace for 15-20 goals with a +/- rating around 0 on a team with a -46 goal differential .. All while contributing on the PK.

never Understood people craping on Armia, he is a reliable player, PK, size, skills and a few time a year he will be the best player in the ice, is contract isn’t great but it definitely it isn’t the worst…

 

[Harry Kakalovich]

Savard is good with the youth and it does appear this young group could use one last year of his stabilizing presence before we take the training wheels off. Would love to another full calendar year of Xhekaj - Savard as our 2nd pair, for Xhekaj's development.

Yet it's hard for me to decide whether I want that more or a shot at finishing 3rd or 4th overall by trading Savard. If we were guaranteed to finish 3rd overall, I'd for sure trade him.

Pretty much 0% chance Habs fall to 3rd. Even 4th is very very slim odds. I wouldn't weigh that consideration very high at all. Habs will probably slip below Ottawa, possibly Arizona. Doubt they slip further.