HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #86: 2023-2024 Season

[sampollock]

KH better make a team pay for Savard or just keep him. bottom line

 

[Adam Michaels]

Is he legit source?

He is. He doesn't bat 1000, but he does have sources and he's had reports that were true. Him and NHL Rumors are two accounts that have reported things that ended up happening. They're two of the few non-NHL insiders (like Friedman, LeBrun, Johnston, etc.) I take more seriously than others that just say anything like NHL Insiderrr.

 

[26Mats]

He’s not saying things we haven’t heard from others before or that we couldn’t connect dots for ourselves.

However, like every year at this time, he drops a nugget or two about the Habs and we’ve seen him be right about certain offerings over the years.

That said, it’s all submitted with a healthy dose of skepticism.

I always thought our best chance at getting a 1st for Savard was retaining 50%.

But if we could trade Savard without retaining and Allen with retention all the better. If we take back a bad contract in either deal, I hope we've learned our lesson and just send them straight to Laval instead of taking away playing time from the youth.

What did we get from playing Dadonov, Hoffman, Drouin, and Pearson so much except taking away development time from the youth? In fact maybe we claim Tolvanen off of waivers if those guys were playing in Laval.

 

[Adam Michaels]

KH better make a team pay for Savard or just keep him. bottom line

Guaranteed that is what he will do.

The fact he has one more year on his deal puts Kent in a good spot because he will either get value for Savard in a trade or he will continue to get value with him mentoring the young D on the team.

Guhle benefitted from playing with Savard. And now Xhekaj is benefitting playing with Savard. The two kids have a say in how they have progressed, but they both wouldn't hesitate to say that Savard plays a role in their growth.

 

[26Mats]

KH better make a team pay for Savard or just keep him. bottom line

Savard is good with the youth and it does appear this young group could use one last year of his stabilizing presence before we take the training wheels off. Would love to another full calendar year of Xhekaj - Savard as our 2nd pair, for Xhekaj's development.

Yet it's hard for me to decide whether I want that more or a shot at finishing 3rd or 4th overall by trading Savard. If we were guaranteed to finish 3rd overall, I'd for sure trade him.

 

[Adam Michaels]

 

[26Mats]

Guaranteed that is what he will do.

The fact he has one more year on his deal puts Kent in a good spot because he will either get value for Savard in a trade or he will continue to get value with him mentoring the young D on the team.

Guhle benefitted from playing with Savard. And now Xhekaj is benefitting playing with Savard. The two kids have a say in how they have progressed, but they both wouldn't hesitate to say that Savard plays a role in their growth.

The thing is, the greatest part of the return in trading Savard is not what the team gives us in the trade, it's potentially falling in the standings to 3rd or 4th last overall.

The problem is, even if we trade Savard, we're not guaranteed to fall to 3rd or 4rh overall. So it's risky on that front.

Congrats Canucks fans.

 

[The Fisherman]

I doubt Avs give up Ritchie and a 1st. They're basically giving two 1st round picks by giving a 1st and Ritchie (1st rounder).

It's a hefty price for sure, but Johansen is a cap dump at 4 million for another season. The cost of that is likely a 2nd at a minimum.

Savard will cost at minimum a 1st IMO

Allen at 1.9 million is a 2nd-3rd.

If we gave them back their 2nd or a 3rd; I'm not sure the value is that far off. We'll see. I think we make a deal with colorado or elm.

 

[SwiftyHab]

Cross fingers! Sign and trade to Habs!

 

[sampollock]

Cross fingers! Sign and trade to Habs!

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

Is he legit source?

No.

I think he's at like 7% now, but there was one main thing he was credited with that happened a few years ago and when looked into he wasn't first.

He's like that dude who called St. Louis/Lecavalier to join the Habs, but never called anything before (I don't think), or after.

 

[ML16]

It's a hefty price for sure, but Johansen is a cap dump at 4 million for another season. The cost of that is likely a 2nd at a minimum.

Savard will cost at minimum a 1st IMO

Allen at 1.9 million is a 2nd-3rd.

If we gave them back their 2nd or a 3rd; I'm not sure the value is that far off. We'll see. I think we make a deal with colorado or elm.

Colorado indeed seems like a good trade partner, but I doubt Savard is good asset to involve in a deal; the Avs’ defense is already quite solid.

Allen retained @ 50% for Johansen and a 2026 2nd could be a win-win.

Habs make room for Primeau, all the while weaponizing adequately their last retention spot. Johansen can fill a C jersey this year and become a trade asset next season, although the return would likely be moderate considering the Habs likely won’t be able to retain since their only remaining retention spot would likely be devoted to Savard. Then again, they could always use a mid-round pick to use a third team’s retention spot if they need to make room for another forward.

Avs get an experienced goalie to support Georgiev and save 2M, enabling them to expand their current cap space to 4.2M, enough to fetch a middle-6 center for their Cup run in a another deal.

 

[EveryDay]

Colorado indeed seems like a good trade partner, but I doubt Savard is good asset to involve in a deal; the Avs’ defense is already quite solid.

Allen retained @ 50% for Johansen and a 2026 2nd could be a win-win.

Habs make room for Primeau, all the while weaponizing adequately their last retention spot. Johansen can fill a C jersey this year and become a trade asset next season, although the return would likely be moderate considering the Habs likely won’t be able to retain since their only remaining retention spot would likely be devoted to Savard. Then again, they could always use a mid-round pick to use a third team’s retention spot if they need to make room for another forward.

Avs get an experienced goalie to support Georgiev and save 2M, enabling them to expand their current cap space to 4.2M, enough to fetch a middle-6 center for their Cup run in a another deal.

MTL are not retaining 50% on Allen to receive a cap dump of 4M and a 2nd round pick....

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

Unless the 8 yr/12 mil contract Canucks rumored to have offered Petterson was bull then this makes no sense from the players side. Why wait 6 months and risk injury to sign a silmilar deal. The only reason would be to see if the Canucks looked like a contender.

 

[BLONG7]

For some reason.............I think Primeau gets dealt.........................just a hunch.

Unless the 8 yr/12 mil contract Canucks rumored to have offered Petterson was bull then this makes no sense from the players side. Why wait 6 months and risk injury to sign a silmilar deal. The only reason would be to see if the Canucks looked like a contender.

It sure seemed like he waited, to see what type of team they had this season......but there was the Servelli chatter, that the offer was 12+M and it wasn't so once again these so called insiders, do not have credibility in my books.............................blowing hot air, Dregs style!

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

For some reason.............I think Primeau gets dealt.........................just a hunch.


It usre seemed like he waited, to see what type of team they had this season......but there was the Servelli chatter, that the offer was 12+M and it wasn't so once again these so called insiders, do not have credibility in my books.............................blowing hot air, Dregs style!

I suspect he wanted to see how well the ream would do and they were looking like a contender until they started to fade a few weeks ago. The makeup of the contract could have been part of it too - bonuses, NTC, NMC's etc.

 

[26Mats]

To EDM: Savard (50% retained) + Jake Evans
To MTL: Dylan Holloway + Vincent Desharnais

 

[Kwikwi]

To EDM: Savard (50% retained) + Jake Evans
To MTL: Dylan Holloway + Vincent Desharnais

Rather keep Savard at this price.
Evans might end up a better player than Holloway as well.

 

[26Mats]

Rather keep Savard at this price.
Evans might end up a better player than Holloway as well.

Yes, it depends on one's read on Holloway's future potential. Evans is 27. Holloway is 22.

Interesting proposal:

To LA: Justin Barron + 3rd
To MTL: Alex Turcotte

 

[RationalExpectations]

Yes, it depends on one's read on Holloway's future potential. Evans is 27. Holloway is 22.

Interesting proposal:

To LA: Justin Barron + 3rd
To MTL: Alex Turcotte

LAK already has a lot of RHDs.

 

[The Great Weal]

Seems like Ceci is already in that Savard role for the Oilers, and even if he's not as good, why would the Oilers add a 1st to him without getting a vastly superior upgrade? Of course I could be wrong, but unless some injuries get announced, the only teams that could make sense are the Canucks and Leafs but even then I'm skeptical.

Even if the Nucks have Soucy on IR and should be back in a couple of weeks, Savard is fitting into the same mold as the Myers/Cole/Soucy so they might prefer some more versatility, and they already gave up a lot on a trade which hasn't really worked out for them so they may be more cautious. That being said, their only dman signed past this season is Hughes so Savard at 50% could be enticing.

The Leafs defense is a disaster so they could definitely use Savard, the issue is that I don't really know if Hughes is eager to trade him there. Also, Leafs have spent so many assets lately trying to add players that don’t really put them over the top so I don’t think they will do it for Savard.

I'm leaning towards Savard staying with us.

 

[vokiel]

Yes, it depends on one's read on Holloway's future potential. Evans is 27. Holloway is 22.

Interesting proposal:

To LA: Justin Barron + 3rd
To MTL: Alex Turcotte

LA will hang up.

 

[le_sean]

I am not a big Ceci fan and I do prefer Savard but Ceci is not horrendous and imo Edmonton is trading a #5/6 for a #4/5 with almost identical contracts. Holloway alone is overpayment as I think he is on the verge of breaking out and his relative value is a mid first rounder which is more than Savard is worth. Throwing in the 2nd rounder just puts the deal into a state of egregious imbalance as there is no reason to balance dollars/term due to them being virtually identical.

I think a more reasonable offer is Savard for Ceci and a conditional 2024 2nd and a 2025 4th. If Edmonton reaches the Finals the 2nd becomes a 2024 1st.

I’m sorry but that’s a terrible offer for Savard. Taking back a bad contract and barely getting anything for it. I’d just keep him if that’s all you get. That’s the type of return I’d want without Ceci involved. If a bad contract is involved, the price goes up. He’s not a UFA, the Habs don’t need to trade him.

Seems like Ceci is already in that Savard role for the Oilers, and even if he's not as good, why would the Oilers add a 1st to him without getting a vastly superior upgrade? Of course I could be wrong, but unless some injuries get announced, the only teams that could make sense are the Canucks and Leafs but even then I'm skeptical.

Because he’s not good in that role. Savard is a top PKer, is solid 5v5 and has won the Cup. For a team trying to placate the greatest player we’ve seen since Lemieux/Gretzky and trying to maximize their winning opportunity, he’s a player that makes a lot of sense. They are the desperate ones here and you can’t win a Cup when your #4 defender can’t defend nor provides any offence.

 

[The Great Weal]

Because he’s not good in that role. Savard is a top PKer, is solid 5v5 and has won the Cup. For a team trying to placate the greatest player we’ve seen since Lemieux/Gretzky and trying to maximize their winning opportunity, he’s a player that makes a lot of sense. They are the desperate ones here and you can’t win a Cup when your #4 defender can’t defend nor provides any offence.

I don't think the difference between Ceci and Savard is a 1st. Ceci has been a lot better this year from what I've read and seen, in previous years yes I'd agree he sucks big time. Both guys are 3rd pair guys on a good defense core.

 

[The Fisherman]

Colorado indeed seems like a good trade partner, but I doubt Savard is good asset to involve in a deal; the Avs’ defense is already quite solid.

Allen retained @ 50% for Johansen and a 2026 2nd could be a win-win.

Habs make room for Primeau, all the while weaponizing adequately their last retention spot. Johansen can fill a C jersey this year and become a trade asset next season, although the return would likely be moderate considering the Habs likely won’t be able to retain since their only remaining retention spot would likely be devoted to Savard. Then again, they could always use a mid-round pick to use a third team’s retention spot if they need to make room for another forward.

Avs get an experienced goalie to support Georgiev and save 2M, enabling them to expand their current cap space to 4.2M, enough to fetch a middle-6 center for their Cup run in a another deal.

Apparently, Colorado was one of the final teams in on Tanev. Seems like they're trying to add a right shot defenceman.