HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #86: 2023-2024 Season

[sampollock]

I'd like to see a couple of legitimate players brought into the lineup next year. Like you say, constant losing is not a good thing

losing all the time will hurt the process, young guys will start to get fed up with that.

 

[Captain Mountain]

Petterson is better then Suzuki defensively

We love Nick but EP is one of the best 2 way centers in the league dont think we can name 10 better centers

Pettersson has been basically average this season defensively and Suzuki has been one of the best defensive centers in the league. Its not overhyping Suzuki, Pettersson has run really hot and cold defensively too. This season Suzuki has been better defensively and its not close.

 

[Andy]

If the habs want to come out of the bottom 5 starting next year, a few things need to happen:

1. Healthy Dach that continues on his progression
2. A more consistent Slafkovsky
3. One of the young D-men developing into a top pairing D-man.
4. Trading for more scoring talent in the top 6. They need a 65-75 point player at minimum.


#3 is key though. Even if 1,2, 4 happen, if your D is still developing and you don't have a true top pairing minute eater, it will be tough to win games.

Still a lot of work to do.

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

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Teams are looking at Josh Anderson , I can tell you that. It is mentioned in internal discussions. I don't think any team will give a lot of money for his services at this point, though. The CH had a fixed price last season, but I assume that this price has fallen. » -David Pagnotta

The price will still be high if retention is involved. If there is no retention or a cap dump with less term probably takes less.

 

[rahad]

Canucks are apparently frustrated that Petersson haven't give them any signs he wants to stay in Vancouver. This is Tavares all over again. Dude his going to bolt on July 1st without saying a word.

Canucks should just trade Petersson before the deadline for a butload.

I don't see Vancouver winning the Stanley cup. Is probably going to be Vegas again. They should give him a ultimatum. Sign before the TDL or trade him.

What Tavares did to NYI is pure scumbag move. They lost their franchise player for nothing. At 50%, Petersson would probably bring 2 first round pick and maybe a good prospect.

Don't make the same mistake as Calgary and NYI. Losing Gaudreau and Tavares for nothing

 

[Milhouse40]

If the habs want to come out of the bottom 5 starting next year, a few things need to happen:

1. Healthy Dach that continues on his progression
2. A more consistent Slafkovsky
3. One of the young D-men developing into a top pairing D-man.
4. Trading for more scoring talent in the top 6. They need a 65-75 point player at minimum.


#3 is key though. Even if 1,2, 4 happen, if you're D is still developing and you don't have a true top pairing minute eater, it will be tough to win games.

Still a lot of work to do.

That for me, it's the most pressing need.
A million miles above getting another top 6 forward.

While 99% of the fan base are looking for another top 6 forward, I'm pretty sure KH is part of the 1% looking for that 1st pairing D.

 

[salbutera]

I don't see Vancouver winning the Stanley cup. Is probably going to be Vegas again. They should give him a ultimatum. Sign before the TDL or trade him.

What Tavares did to NYI is pure scumbag move. They lost their franchise player for nothing. At 50%, Petersson would probably bring 2 first round pick and maybe a good prospect.

Don't make the same mistake as Calgary and NYI. Losing Gaudreau and Tavares for nothing

Tavares was pending UFA, Petersson is RFA at seasons end - Van have time.

FWIW, If Habs win lottery, I’d deal hometown boy Celebrini to Van in a deal for an extended Petersson

 

[Nico Cauzuki]

Pettersson has been basically average this season defensively and Suzuki has been one of the best defensive centers in the league. Its not overhyping Suzuki, Pettersson has run really hot and cold defensively too. This season Suzuki has been better defensively and its not close.

if your just gonna count half a season then maybe Suzuki has been abit better this year i cant catch all the Nucks game because its late but overall nobody taking Nick over Petterson hes on a different tier hes a legit elite 2way 1C

 

[rahad]

Tavares was pending UFA, Petersson is RFA at seasons end - Van have time.

FWIW, If Habs win lottery, I’d deal hometown boy Celebrini to Van in a deal for an extended Petersson

Good think that you are not Habs GM. Trading Celebrini would be a big mistake.

 

[ML16]

If he said so, I’ll take your word on it. Seeing EP is sitting on 12M, I would think he may be holding out for more. At that price, I just can’t see him committing to that and risking cap issues in the next couple years. It’ll be interesting to see whatbHUGO does

Can’t find the quote, unfortunately, but it was pertaining to the % of the salary cap and the specific context of a UFA acquisition. Suzuki earns about 9% of the present cap, so with the latter rising, so would the Habs’ informal one. But I concede that 12M would be a (very) big step; I don’t see the cap rising to 133M in the near future!

As a sidenote, I thought EP was about to hit FA, but he has another year on team control, so there’s no way the Habs spend 4 x 1st on him this offseason… and I don’t see the Habs having the assets, depth and contending stattus for a sign and trade either… It would have start with MTL 2024 1st and then some.

 

[Hansman]

Old enough to have listened to The Equals' version on CKGM while I saw dinosaurs munching on the tulips outside my window.

Thats pretty good,you might even have me beat.

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

I don't see Vancouver winning the Stanley cup. Is probably going to be Vegas again. They should give him a ultimatum. Sign before the TDL or trade him.

What Tavares did to NYI is pure scumbag move. They lost their franchise player for nothing. At 50%, Petersson would probably bring 2 first round pick and maybe a good prospect.

Don't make the same mistake as Calgary and NYI. Losing Gaudreau and Tavares for nothing

Vegas is not winning with the current lineup. But if they leave Stone on LTIR for the regular season and add a piece or 2 it's very possible. Canucks have a good chance to win the Cup this year with Pettersson. They could keep him and retain him next season and trade him at the 24-25 deadline if he won't sign.

 

[FerrisRox]

I’d be surprised he wants out. He literally had it put in his big contract that he was to be named captain.

Where are you getting that from? What's the source for this?

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

Where are you getting that from? What's the source for this?

If we are talking about Brady here I believe it was Matt that insisted on being captain to move to Florida.

 

[Captain Mountain]

if your just gonna count half a season then maybe Suzuki has been abit better this year i cant catch all the Nucks game because its late but overall nobody taking Nick over Petterson hes on a different tier hes a legit elite 2way 1C

I'm not counting half a season, Pettersson has been alternating from good and bad seasons defensively for almost his entire career and Suzuki has been better all season to a SIGNIFICANT degree.

No one is saying they'd take Suzuki over Pettersson or even disputing he's on a different tier, they're saying he's better defensively.

 

[Deus ex machina]

If the habs want to come out of the bottom 5 starting next year, a few things need to happen:

1. Healthy Dach that continues on his progression
2. A more consistent Slafkovsky
3. One of the young D-men developing into a top pairing D-man.
4. Trading for more scoring talent in the top 6. They need a 65-75 point player at minimum.


#3 is key though. Even if 1,2, 4 happen, if your D is still developing and you don't have a true top pairing minute eater, it will be tough to win games.

Still a lot of work to do.

If they can accomplish all that, i think they'll be far from the bottom 5.
I'd add getting an established top 4 RD to the list too.

 

[DAChampion]

What Tavares did to NYI is pure scumbag move. They lost their franchise player for nothing. At 50%, Petersson would probably bring 2 first round pick and maybe a good prospect.

Tavares looked out for Tavares after years and years of his interests coming last and the Islanders' interests coming first.

 

[BLONG7]

losing all the time will hurt the process, young guys will start to get fed up with that.

This is very true...............keeping Suzuki and the gang of kids we have motivated to continue the process, it needs some show of movement towards the goal.
Losing Dach cost us the year of sorts.

 

[McGees]

Yup. I'm sold. I'll even take a 4th. A 3rd would be great.

I would even take a 9th at this point, in hopes that the draft reintroduces them.

 

[Redux91]

That for me, it's the most pressing need.
A million miles above getting another top 6 forward.

While 99% of the fan base are looking for another top 6 forward, I'm pretty sure KH is part of the 1% looking for that 1st pairing D.

Depends
You can try to obtain them in the draft and hope and wait
Or you can try to obtain through trade/signing which they probably look at with the #1 D thing

 

[Habs 4 Life]

If the habs want to come out of the bottom 5 starting next year, a few things need to happen:

1. Healthy Dach that continues on his progression
2. A more consistent Slafkovsky
3. One of the young D-men developing into a top pairing D-man.
4. Trading for more scoring talent in the top 6. They need a 65-75 point player at minimum.


#3 is key though. Even if 1,2, 4 happen, if your D is still developing and you don't have a true top pairing minute eater, it will be tough to win games.

Still a lot of work to do.

Not only another a top 6 scoring talent that's absolutely necessary, but I would also target a reliable top 3 D. Look at the Devils that brought up Hugues and Nemec, they're good, but they need experience back there. They Lost Graves and Severson in the off season and then Hamilton went down. I'm the biggest Hutson and Mailloux fan, but they need to be somewhat surrounded by veterans as well IMO

 

[The Great Weal]

Good think that you are not Habs GM. Trading Celebrini would be a big mistake.

I love Celebrini but have a hard time seeing him be a top 5 center in the league like Pettersson.

 

[Garry Valk]

If Brady Tkachuk is actually on the market, would anyone dangle both firsts for him in a package? He has what, five years of control remaining?

 

[Spring in Fialta]

I think it's imperative for the Habs to work their way out of tank-dom beginning next year. Being bottom 5 three years in a row given the contracts to Suzuki and Caulfield is not ideal. It's fun to accumulate lottery picks in the abstract but in practice it probably sets up a losing culture.

And it's not going to be easy for the team to improve. They lost Monahan. They might be losing Savard.

We're also seeing a bit why other teams fail at rebuilding. Young players and prospects are uncertain. The Barron trade was good, but he's busting. Same with Mesar. Heinemen is injuring himself to bust-dom. This probably happens a lot leaguewide, and we probably have not seen the end of it with the Habs' rebuild.

I don't know if there are good players available on UFA or trade, or what they would cost. The team needs to improve next year but it's not obvious how to do that.

I don't see any of Reinbacher, Hutson, Barron, Mailloux, Beck, Farrell, Roy, Mesar, having a significant impact next year. Maybe the year after.

Yeah, Arpon Basu has reported that there's frustration growing among the young core about the losing and that the club wants to quell that. Said the team is mindful that the stench of losing can be hard to get rid of. Personally, I don't think they trade Savard. Apparently the younger players love him and Savard's preference is to stay put.

I'm guessing guys like Suzuki and Caufield are getting restless. It would make sense considering what they've experienced already (i.e. the finals).

 

[DAChampion]

I love Celebrini but have a hard time seeing him be a top 5 center in the league like Pettersson.

Yes but we can expect that Celebrini has 7 additional prime years left in his career than Petersson has.