HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #86: 2023-2024 Season

[DrBizz4r3]

Corey is a father figure to Cole so he can go f*** himself (not against thé player, but he’ll bring a shitshow for the organisation which had it tough with Maillou… not sure that it’s possible)

 

[sampollock]

What if it was sports gambling?

Am I the only who finds it strange the Commissioner hasn’t weighed in on L’affaire Perry? Afterall a contract was terminated due to breaching…

Hmmmm
Interesting

 

[Ezpz]

What if it was sports gambling?

Am I the only who finds it strange the Commissioner hasn’t weighed in on L’affaire Perry? Afterall a contract was terminated due to breaching…

Unconditional waivers means it's paid termination not a cancelled contract like Mike Richards.

 

[Kimota]

Ole Corey is quite the father figure eh.

 

[salbutera]

L’affaire Perry calls for BizNasty
& Spittin Chicklets crew to cement their legacy of greatness…

 

[BaseballCoach]

Unless Harris value is high i don't think it's worth sitting him for Kova. I think Kova is grossly overrated honestly. He makes lot of bone head plays. I'd trade him for the highest bidder. Like Kulak he can be a serviceable guy but he's nothing special.


Struggled is an euphemism. There at least 2 plays every games i watched lately where i scratched my head wondering WTF was Kova thinking.

Yes, Kovacevic's play dropped a bit the last 8 games or so. But he is kind of an ideal 6/7D. Harris is tradeable for a decent return or as a oart of a package for a strong player.

 

[ReHabs]

Yes, Kovacevic's play dropped a bit the last 8 games or so. But he is kind of an ideal 6/7D. Harris is tradeable for a decent return or as a oart of a package for a strong player.

Harris on his own won’t get you more than a 3rd round pick I don’t think. He has no CV and no discernible differentiating quality for a playoff team. A more robust Victor Mete is how I’d describe him.

I think he’s better in a package than standalone.

I prefer Kovacevic to him in every aspect, but Kovacevic is going to re-sign with the highest bidder when his contract is up and it feels like we should sell him if he has value and we’re not looking to compete on the same timeline as him.

I do feel like he has untapped upside tbh. He seems to get better with confidence.

 

[BaseballCoach]

Harris on his own won’t get you more than a 3rd round pick I don’t think. He has no CV and no discernible differentiating quality for a playoff team. A more robust Victor Mete is how I’d describe him.

I think he’s better in a package than standalone.

I prefer Kovacevic to him in every aspect, but Kovacevic is going to re-sign with the highest bidder when his contract is up and it feels like we should sell him if he has value and we’re not looking to compete on the same timeline as him.

I do feel like he has untapped upside tbh. He seems to get better with confidence.

If Kovacevic plays solidly, he will fetch a good return at the 2025 TDL, given his salary as well. Teams loading up for the playoffs will value someone like him, at his best version. Meanwhile, Struble is probably a good replacement for us. Harris could be as 6/7 we keep if he is not traded.

 

[Kimota]

I don't know where's the Out of Town thread is but I would have taken Beauvillier with the Habs. Canucks gave out a 5th round pick.

 

[ReHabs]

I don't know where's the Out of Town thread is but I would have taken Beauvillier with the Habs. Canucks gave out a 5th round pick.

Why?


Not big, not skilled, not special in any way. What's the point?

 

[tazsub3]

Why?


Not big, not skilled, not special in any way. What's the point?

I agrée , happy they did not go for him . I think management should aiming for more talent like dach trade . We have a serious need to upgrade the skill level

 

[salbutera]

https://www.x.com/pantherpourri/status/1729717404941316499?s=46&t=a3HPp5YfHU2XDo78oSJMFA

 

[nhlfan9191]

https://www.x.com/pantherpourri/status/1729717404941316499?s=46&t=a3HPp5YfHU2XDo78oSJMFA

It’s still incredibly vague. Why wouldn’t they had just said that right from the start?

 

[HuGort]

https://www.x.com/pantherpourri/status/1729717404941316499?s=46&t=a3HPp5YfHU2XDo78oSJMFA

Must been bad to do that toCorey. Incident with employees happen. Not end of a career

 

[DAChampion]

Unconditional waivers means it's paid termination not a cancelled contract like Mike Richards.

How is that different from a buyout?

 

[Tim Wallach]

How is that different from a buyout?

There are fixed and short buy-out windows. In-season, buy-outs aren't available.

 

[MXD]

What if it was sports gambling?

Am I the only who finds it strange the Commissioner hasn’t weighed in on L’affaire Perry? Afterall a contract was terminated due to breaching…

The contract isn't yet terminated.

 

[MXD]

Unconditional waivers means it's paid termination not a cancelled contract like Mike Richards.

How is that different from a buyout?

It's not paid and it's different from a buyout.
I'll explain with French words, because English is really Pejorative Slured in that specific situation (as terminated means a lot a things).

Perry's contract will be "résilié". No effect from the date of the "résiliation", but nothing happens with prior effects (Perry won't have to give money back). Compare this to "résolution", where a contract is cancelled, with all parties put in their "initial" state (in that case, Perry would have to give money back and of course it doesn't work here).

Unconditionnal waivers are a condition for any contract termination. If Perry grieves, it's not for reinstatement : it's to get a part of his 1.5 (+/-) millions left to be paid (if he wants to). He gets to keep his signing bonus, unless SPC's contain some clauses to that effect.

 

[ReHabs]

How is that different from a buyout?

Buyouts are a “normal” mechanism in the player contract. It is an understood part of the relationship between the player and his franchise and the league. There doesn’t need to be any conflict between the parties when the Buyout is utilized.

Contract termination is invoked when a party (almost always a player) breaks the terms of the contract. Breaking the terms or breaching a contract is not necessarily a conflict but it is not a normal affair. It means they did something unexpected (often, something “bad”) and the team gets approval from the NHL to cancel the otherwise guaranteed-income contract. The cancellation is from the date of termination. Since their contract is cancelled, their cap hit is cancelled too.

Sometimes, a contract can be terminated by mutual consent like when Bergevin ended Plekanec’s NHL career. There was no conflict and both parties wanted it to happen.

In this case, CHI is highlighting that Perry broke some of their Morality clauses (pro athletes tend to have these) and if they can prove it, it triggers their ability to terminate the contract. They’ve since invoked that ability and initiated the termination process.

Perry was caught doing something that broke the contract, and it’s very likely what he did was explicit and clear (ie not hearsay) so the NHL and the NHLPA are both not getting involved.

 

[MXD]

Perry was caught doing something that broke the contract, and it’s very likely what he did was explicit and clear (ie not hearsay) so the NHL and the NHLPA are both not getting involved.

Again, the NHL and the NHLPA can't really do anything officially as long as there's no termination, especially as Perry could, in theory, get claimed by another team.

...Though it's certain that the Hawks at the very least unofficially inquired with the NHL's legal service and informed them of their basis for terminating the deal, with the NHL giving something of a unofficial okay, because everyone would end up looking really bad if the ground for termination was something ridiculous, like Perry taking a dump in the head coach office bathroom and forgetting to flush.

 

[ReHabs]

Again, the NHL and the NHLPA can't really do anything officially as long as there's no termination, especially as Perry could, in theory, get claimed by another team.

It's explicitly clear the intention is to terminate his contract. The PA and NHL are also clearly looped in with this process -- CHI wouldn't take these steps without being sure it wouldn't cause any problems with them.

...Though it's certain that the Hawks at the very least unofficially inquired with the NHL's legal service and informed them of their basis for terminating the deal, with the NHL giving something of a unofficial okay, because everyone would end up looking really bad if the ground for termination was something ridiculous, like Perry taking a dump in the head coach office bathroom and forgetting to flush.

The Stinky Ducharme, we call that.

 

[MXD]

It's explicitly clear the intention is to terminate his contract. The PA and NHL are also clearly looped in with this process -- CHI wouldn't take these steps without being sure it wouldn't cause any problems with them.

I mean, that's exactly what San Jose did with Kane, and they had to settle afterwards.

 

[ReHabs]

I mean, that's exactly what San Jose did with Kane, and they had to settle afterwards.

Good point. I guess we'll see.

I don't like to speculate about the personal lives and affairs of players -- there's already too much baseless speculation and gossip as it is -- I hope nobody's been victimized by whatever it is that happened.

 

[McGees]

I don't know where's the Out of Town thread is but I would have taken Beauvillier with the Habs. Canucks gave out a 5th round pick.

Bergy would have, then offered a 6x6 mil deal.

 

[Runner77]

It's explicitly clear the intention is to terminate his contract. The PA and NHL are also clearly looped in with this process -- CHI wouldn't take these steps without being sure it wouldn't cause any problems with them.

Contested matters always have a fallout. There is rarely certainty in law.

What the Hawks are getting is a legal opinion on the enforceability of their team policies and whether their contractual terms with Perry allow them to proceed to a contractual termination following their assessment that an action has taken place that meets the applicable legal test or threshold of what constitutes a contractual breach according to the legal jurisdiction the contract is subject to.

If the PA is unsatisfied that the alleged actions by Perry meet the standards of a contractual breach or if they deem the outcome may produce a bad precedent that would handcuff their members in a future matter, then they will contest the Hawks’ termination, further to having obtained their own legal opinion on the matter.

It’s rarely ever black and white and as outside observers about a matter we are only obliquely informed about, we are in an even lesser position to form a reliable opinion.