HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #86: 2023-2024 Season

[Kosseca]

The RD side is a mess and reading comments here makes me wonder if this shouldnt be a priority in a trade short term.

If Savard is to be traded (which he should), that leaves you with Barron, Kova, Mailloux, Reinb.

Mailloux and Reinb are more then one yrs away and while they have potential, this is all they have now. Barron is improving, but he's not trending to be more then a No3/4 with a good defensive partners. Kova is not more then a 6/7.

Harris/Wifi... are not long term solution for RD and dont address the need to play on the 1st pair. I'm wondering is there is a RD vet D that could be added while we know who of Mailloux or Reinb can step into that role.

 

[Nico Cauzuki]

My wish list for the deadline:
ANYTHING AT ALL CAUSE LAST DEADLINE WAS DONKEY BALLZ!

we had nothing to sell....

 

[Runner77]

Monahan would probably return more than Savard.

The value of a late 1st is to be used as a piece in a trade to land a big fish.

How much value does a late first really have in a trading context? And if it is highly enough valued, why did we not add more to the one we gave up in the Newhook deal, to land a bigger fish?

We gave up a 31st and a 37th (close enough to a late first, plus a journeyman D) in what many considered to be a deep draft and no big fish was had. I have to think that teams don’t value a late first rounder as much as we might think.

 

[salbutera]

How much value does a late first really have in a trading context? And if it is highly enough valued, why did we not add more to the one we gave up in the Newhook deal, to land a bigger fish?

We gave up a 31st and a 37th (close enough to a late first, plus a journeyman D) in what many considered to be a deep draft and no big fish was had. I have to think that teams don’t value a late first rounder as much as we might think.

Of course not, as Julien Brisebois said last deadline with all the picks he surrendered for Jeannot: (paraphrasing) there no guarantee any of those picks will ever turn into an actual NHL player vs an established NHL player

 

[Nico Cauzuki]

Should we grab Perry again? not really sure what happened but he seemed really liked here and was close with Caufield

 

[Runner77]

Of course not, as Julien Brisebois said last deadline with all the picks he surrendered for Jeannot: (paraphrasing) there no guarantee any of those picks will ever turn into an actual NHL player vs an established NHL player

The diminishing returns sliding scale across the spectrum of first rounders in most years dictates a serious trading chip closer up to the 10th pick probably or in that neighborhood — basically what it took to land Dach as the outer bracket, would be my guess.

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

The diminishing returns sliding scale across the spectrum of first rounders in most years dictates a serious trading chip closer up to the 10th pick probably or in that neighborhood — basically what it took to land Dach as the outer bracket, would be my guess.

I expect that if Florida's pick was around 17th it would not have been traded. I wonder if Hughes could have used some other pick to get Newhook if that had happened.

 

[OldCraig71]

Should we grab Perry again? not really sure what happened but he seemed really liked here and was close with Caufield

Ole Corey is quite the father figure eh.

 

[26Mats]

It's time to start selling and dismantling. We don't have much to sell but it's time to move them. Bottom5 in relevant stats, only ahead on games-in-hand. Time to change things up. Hughes can't go two straight years of bungling the trade deadline with his own ineptitude.

We don't have many pieces other teams want.

But we should move Pearson ASAP to make room for RHP and Ylonen. Plus Roy is coming next year. I'd like to move Anderson and Gallagher (and Armia). But that won't happen.

Then one of Kovacevic or Savard should be moved to make room for Struble and Reinbacher coming in next year.

If Monahan is back Dvo should be moved if possible before next season.

I expect that if Florida's pick was around 17th it would not have been traded. I wonder if Hughes could have used some other pick to get Newhook if that had happened.

I think he could have.

I think Hughes wanted to get bigger. But there were some good players like Benson available close to 17. I would have liked to have seen hughes move up to grab him.

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

We don't have many pieces other teams want.

But we should move Pearson ASAP to make room for RHP and Ylonen. Plus Roy is coming next year. I'd like to move Anderson and Gallagher (and Armia). But that won't happen.

Then one of Kovacevic or Savard should be moved to make room for Struble and Reinbacher coming in next year.

If Monahan is back Dvo should be moved if possible before next season.


I think he could have.

I think Hughes wanted to get bigger. But there were some good players like Benson available close to 17. I would have liked to have seen hughes move up to grab him.

I am sure he would have tried to move up. I don't think he would have included the 17th in a newhook trade.

 

[Deebs]

Should we grab Perry again? not really sure what happened but he seemed really liked here and was close with Caufield

Kind of seems like he's in a bit of hot water....not sure he's the ideal guy to bring in at this time lol

 

[Bottle Rocket]

Should we grab Perry again? not really sure what happened but he seemed really liked here and was close with Caufield

I think they have to inquire. Make their due diligence at least, then decide. Can it be overlooked? Maybe it's nothing at all like the rumors we all saw. Perry would be better than many of our players on the 3rd or 4th line.

 

[DAChampion]

The diminishing returns sliding scale across the spectrum of first rounders in most years dictates a serious trading chip closer up to the 10th pick probably or in that neighborhood — basically what it took to land Dach as the outer bracket, would be my guess.

Players like Timo Meier and Jack Eichel are traded maybe once a year, and when they are a first round pick is usually included.

 

[Runner77]

Players like Timo Meier and Jack Eichel are traded maybe once a year, and when they are a first round pick is usually included.

There are likely other considerations in those types of deals, like an expiring contract going to UFA and/or other assets accompanying the outgoing players that offset the need to send a higher first round pick.

 

[DAChampion]

There are likely other considerations in those types of deals, like an expiring contract going to UFA and/or other assets accompanying the outgoing players that offset the need to send a higher first round pick.

Yes there's always another consideration. The first round pick is usually simply a part of the other deal, though it can be the majority in cases like that of Kirby Dach and Alex Debrincat.

Viewing the NHL trade market as an economy, players and contracts move in a bartering system, and draft picks act more like currency.

 

[Miller Time]

Darn it... Sounds like the nucks jumped fwd and sent Beauvillier to the Hawks.

Was/am hoping Ken can get them to take Anderson (or Armia) off our hands.

They desperately need NHL forwards, and have the cap room to not require retention or a dump going the other way.

Hope Hughes has at least made an offer

 

[Ezpz]

Darn it... Sounds like the nucks jumped fwd and sent Beauvillier to the Hawks.

Was/am hoping Ken can get them to take Anderson (or Armia) off our hands.

They desperately need NHL forwards, and have the cap room to not require retention or a dump going the other way.

Hope Hughes has at least made an offer

It's probably because they're under the floor without perry.

 

[The Great Weal]

Should we grab Perry again? not really sure what happened but he seemed really liked here and was close with Caufield

Assuming that what Perry did was not bad enough to not get another chance, why would we sign him? We already have too many forwards. Not to mention that if he plays well, then he helps get us points in the standings and his value at the deadline still won't be more than a mid round pick.

 

[Runner77]

Yes there's always another consideration. The first round pick is usually simply a part of the other deal, though it can be the majority in cases like that of Kirby Dach and Alex Debrincat.

Viewing the NHL trade market as an economy, players and contracts move in a bartering system, and draft picks act more like currency.

No qualms about how first rounders are currency, I was just wondering how much currency when a late first rounder is involved, as per your initial post, if you simply isolate the pick. That kind of late pick seems like currency in an aggregate, rather than holding much value on its own.

 

[SwiftyHab]

Should we grab Perry again? not really sure what happened but he seemed really liked here and was close with Caufield

Yes to that. Come back home to Pappa!

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

Should we grab Perry again? not really sure what happened but he seemed really liked here and was close with Caufield

Are the Habs Chicago ? Grabbing players and keeping it hush hush ?

 

[sampollock]

After the picking the young Logan M, bet the habs don't make a move on Perry

 

[salbutera]

After the picking the young Logan M, bet the habs don't make a move on Perry

What if it was sports gambling?

Am I the only who finds it strange the Commissioner hasn’t weighed in on L’affaire Perry? Afterall a contract was terminated due to breaching…

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

What if it was sports gambling?

Am I the only who finds it strange the Commissioner hasn’t weighed in on L’affaire Perry? Afterall a contract was terminated due to breaching…

That cockroach will only say something when it's an unimportant team like Ottawa.

 

[DAChampion]

No qualms about how first rounders are currency, I was just wondering how much currency when a late first rounder is involved, as per your initial post, if you simply isolate the pick. That kind of late pick seems like currency in an aggregate, rather than holding much value on its own.

My best guess is that if an impact forward wants out, you'll need between three and four late 1sts to field the best offer, without using any other asset.