HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #86: 2023-2024 Season

[DAChampion]

I don’t think the Habs will trade Monty.

If I’m Edmonton, I’d offer a 1st to get rid of Campbell before Drai gets paid. Allen would go back the other way. Not a big upgrade for them, but - less term, and he hasn’t fallen apart like Campbell has.

I think the Habs would say ‘no’ - they’re a little too far along in the rebuild to do this. Still, I think it’s the most likely scenario between these 2 teams.

Allen for Campbell+1st is unlikely to be enough for Edmonton.

 

[rik schau]

Imagine they happy tonight. Oilers seemed to turned it around last two games.

Too bad,was hoping they'd implode and blow thing up.

 

[SwiftyHab]

https://www.x.com/frank_seravalli/status/1729964852330873206?s=46&t=a3HPp5YfHU2XDo78oSJMFA

So Perry got drunk and beat up a corporate sponser? Gheez....that makes me want him more!

 

[Sorinth]

The problem for Edmonton is that if they are going to be giving up a 1st they probably want their goaltending situation fixed and I don't think anyone can say with high confidence that Allen or Montembeault would actually fix their goaltending.

 

[Draft]

The problem for Edmonton is that if they are going to be giving up a 1st they probably want their goaltending situation fixed and I don't think anyone can say with high confidence that Allen or Montembeault would actually fix their goaltending.

Improve? Maybe. Fix? Definitely no.

Plain as day that the Oilers have more than just a goalie issue. Their forward depth is horrendous and their defence is made up of a bunch of guys that don't know how to defend. Prime Carey Price/Patrick Roy would struggle to turn that team around.

If the deal is with EDM, Habs can offer salary flexibility, solid depth players, and a goaltending upgrade. Put together that could go a long way to improving their roster and open up additional moves for EDM. Montembault/Ylonen/Kovacevic is about 2.5mil in total salary and a huge net positive for that team.

 

[Ozmodiar]

The problem for Edmonton is that if they are going to be giving up a 1st they probably want their goaltending situation fixed and I don't think anyone can say with high confidence that Allen or Montembeault would actually fix their goaltending.

They have 2 problems with their goaltending.

1). It’s terrible and they need to improve it this season.
2). The Campbell contract - it overlaps with Drai’s next deal. LD will not only ask for more money, but he will also ask for an upgraded supporting cast.

The more they pay to solve #1, the less they’ll have to deal with #2 … and vice versa.

What a mess.

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

So Perry got drunk and beat up a corporate sponser? Gheez....that makes me want him more!

f***, he's lived two of my dreams then

 

[SwiftyHab]

f***, he's lived two of my dreams then

He's probably lived a few more of your dreams too

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

He's probably lived a few more of your dreams too

Yeah, but playing hockey and beating up someone in corporate are the main ones.

 

[Sorinth]

Improve? Maybe. Fix? Definitely no.

Plain as day that the Oilers have more than just a goalie issue. Their forward depth is horrendous and their defence is made up of a bunch of guys that don't know how to defend. Prime Carey Price/Patrick Roy would struggle to turn that team around.

If the deal is with EDM, Habs can offer salary flexibility, solid depth players, and a goaltending upgrade. Put together that could go a long way to improving their roster and open up additional moves for EDM. Montembault/Ylonen/Kovacevic is about 2.5mil in total salary and a huge net positive for that team.

Proper goaltending wouldn't fix all their issues, but it would at least get them back to where they were the last few years. Which given their Bergevin-esque contract situation is pretty much all they could hope for right now. Get enough back on track that you can re-sign Draisaitl/McDavid, then start addressing the cap problems.

 

[Kosseca]

Proper goaltending wouldn't fix all their issues, but it would at least get them back to where they were the last few years. Which given their Bergevin-esque contract situation is pretty much all they could hope for right now. Get enough back on track that you can re-sign Draisaitl/McDavid, then start addressing the cap problems.

Things is that having confidence that you G is haft decent, it change the way you play. So improving the G position may be the best starting point which you can build on.

That said, it is unlikely that MTL can help them.. Monty is emerging and being French Canadian, I dont see an appetite from KH to trade him unless he's asking to way to much money to resign.

Allen is not an improvement on what they have.

Primeau is not proven enough for them to gable on him as a savior.

Best option again is probably to be the 3rd wheel in a deal which ship Allen to another team that would send a decent G to EDM.

 

[Draft]

Proper goaltending wouldn't fix all their issues, but it would at least get them back to where they were the last few years. Which given their Bergevin-esque contract situation is pretty much all they could hope for right now. Get enough back on track that you can re-sign Draisaitl/McDavid, then start addressing the cap problems.

Maybe, but I think that claim would be more reasonable if they'd had solid or notably better goaltending in previous years with few other changes to their roster. Neither Campbell or Skinner are different than what they had last year. However, losing pretty solid depth players like Barrie, Kostin, Yamamoto, Puljujarvi, and Shore and replacing them with players that shouldn't be in the NHL plays a big role in team defence and cohesiveness. Swap our bottom-6/bottom-pairing with the Oilers and I think they'd be in a very different position.

 

[Kimota]

why not?

Cause I want to keep him?

 

[26Mats]

Ouff. UFA to be Zadorov only went for a 5th and a 3rd. Doesn't look good for the trade values of Kovacevic and Savard.

But the Flames really should have waited until the TDL.

 

[Guy Larose]

Ouff. UFA to be Zadorov only went for a 5th and a 3rd. Doesn't look good for the trade values of Kovacevic and Savard.

But the Flames really should have waited until the TDL.

Kovacevic wasn't getting traded anyway.

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

Ouff. UFA to be Zadorov only went for a 5th and a 3rd. Doesn't look good for the trade values of Kovacevic and Savard.

But the Flames really should have waited until the TDL.

Conroy being taken to the cleaners doesn't set any value for traded players.

 

[McGees]

Before the game The oilers were going to offer a 1st for Primeau but after the game they are only offering Campbell.
True story.
Insiderrrrr.

 

[Walksss]

Conroy being taken to the cleaners doesn't set any value for traded players.

It does though, obviously it shows the league wide value of defenceman for potential suitor teams, some that need a Dman badly. The fact that no team offered more than that for a guy known to be on the market is in fact a very clear indicator of market value.

If a desperate team like the Leafs can't step up and beat that flimsy offer it definitely shows the state of the market.

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

It does though, obviously it shows the league wide value of defenceman for potential suitor teams, some that need a Dman badly. The fact that no team offered more than that for a guy known to be on the market is in fact a very clear indicator of market value.

If a desperate team like the Leafs can't step up and beat that flimsy offer it definitely shows the state of the market.

No it isn't. Zadorov asking for a trade probably brought down his value. Although he likely isn't worth much since this is his 4th team in 5 years. Leafs were interested but needed retention. Vancouver didn't.

 

[26Mats]

Conroy being taken to the cleaners doesn't set any value for traded players.

True.

I hope we trade with Conroy. Hughes has previously done a good job doing deals with Grier and Trevling.

Kovacevic wasn't getting traded anyway.

If Reinbacher makes it next year, one of Kovacevic or Savard are out of the top 6. Might as well get something for them.

We have a ton of D incoming. It's only a matter of time before Savard and Kovacevic are traded.

 

[Walksss]

No it isn't. Zadorov asking for a trade probably brought down his value. Although he likely isn't worth much since this is his 4th team in 5 years. Leafs were interested but needed retention. Vancouver didn't.

Ridiculous. You think needy teams care that he wanted out of Calgary? They would offer less against other interested teams because he wanted to be moved? He's a veteran D and shows the real market value of a defenceman like Savard.

The part that sucks for Hughes is when he predictably gets around the same in trade value for one David Savard people who live in fantasy land are gonna be roasting him because every Habs player is worth a first. Savard, Monty, Monahan, Pearson, Kovacevic all worth firsts. Trades are easy I don't understand what's taking so long.

 

[Egresch]

No it isn't. Zadorov asking for a trade probably brought down his value. Although he likely isn't worth much since this is his 4th team in 5 years. Leafs were interested but needed retention. Vancouver didn't.

Calgary can only use 3 retentions and they still have Lindholm, Hanifin and Tanev who they identified as much better trading chips as Zadorov. They should really get a ton for those three at TDL and they will be a big competition for our sale.

 

[Kimota]

Key words are “moving forward” but for Perry’s generation and prior it was not only accepted behavior it was an absolute must behavior.

There been lots of discussion not only w NHL types but also FIFA about this generation of player not interested in drinking or going out preferring staying in for gaming

They had the same problem in wrestling. New wrestlers are more interested in videogames and Vince McMahon had mentioned how he thought the new generation lacked the testosterone and drive of the previous generation to "grab the brass ring". lol

 

[BLONG7]

Before the game The oilers were going to offer a 1st for Primeau but after the game they are only offering Campbell.
True story.
Insiderrrrr.

Should have made the deal after the 2nd period, before the team fell apart in the 3rd.....
All of our goalies have struggled.........the only one I want gone is Allen, but no one could be that stupid, unless Bergevin gets a GM job again soon.

 

[DAChampion]

They had the same problem in wrestling. New wrestlers are more interested in videogames and Vince McMahon had mentioned how he thought the new generation lacked the testosterone and drive of the previous generation to "grab the brass ring". lol

I'm 40. It's hard for me to imagine that 20 year old super jocks are more interested in video games than in going out drinking.