HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #86: 2023-2024 Season

[JRichard]

I wouldnt trade a first for a goalie. Especially not for a small one.

I appreciate that. You are not into small goalies. There are taller ones too.

but not trading a late 1st? You did it plus a very early 2nd for Newhook.

i would not trade a top 15. But if i have a top 10 already, i would trade a 20 ish pick.

 

[Miller Time]

elite 3rd liner.

At worst.
Ceiling is much higher.

 

[JRichard]

At worst.
Ceiling is much higher.

I took « elite 3rd liner » as a mean joke.
Cant find 6 better forwards than him. On this roster.

 

[waitin425]

Dougie Hamilton out indefinitely.

Think we can off load Savard?

 

[sampollock]

Dougie Hamilton out indefinitely.

Think we can off load Savard?

They are in big trouble

 

[The Great Weal]

Man the Metro sucks

 

[26Mats]

Dougie Hamilton out indefinitely.

Think we can off load Savard?

They need goaltending and right dmen...

But are they willing to part with Mercer or Holtz

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

They need goaltending and right dmen...

But are they willing to part with Mercer or Holtz

They also need a coach but we can't help them there.

 

[Miller Time]

Dougie Hamilton out indefinitely.

Think we can off load Savard?

I'm sure they'd have some interest, though not sure they wouldn't prefer to find another option sooner...

Considering they have goalie issues as well, I'd hope Hughes is discussing options with them


To NJ
Allen, Kovacevic, conditional pick ('25 2nd that becomes Flames 1st if NJ misses PO this year)

To Mtl
Holtz

 

[HuGort]

March 8th could be interesting time for Montreal. They have many pieces likely to move. Monahan, Savard, Pearson, Matheson, Allen, Kovacevic.

 

[MarkovsKnee]

Dougie Hamilton out indefinitely.

Think we can off load Savard?

If they put him on LTIR that gives them $9m. That's Anderson & Savard.

They are a really soft team, especially on D, so they could definitely use Savard. They also need a goalie.

They have plenty of cap space next year to do that type of trade too.

I would try & get Akira Smid (G). He's not waiver eligible for another 2 years, and is already a good AHL goalie, but is struggling at NHL level.

 

[salbutera]

Man the Metro sucks

That’s why I expected both wild card teams to come from Atlantic division - as standings presently reflect

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

I'm not sure being more interested in drinking than video games is a good thing. The whole concept of the alpha male of the 60ies-80ies is stupid and mostly perpetuated by kids who were not alive back in the days. I grew up in the 70ies and 80ies and back then the only thing men did was sit in front of a TV watching sports while drinking beers after working (being exploited) for 8 hours. Homer is a very good and totally accurate parody of what a man was in the 70ies and 80ies. Men used to drink and drive all the time they were even proud of it. They used to smoke like a power plant. They did not bother taking care of the kids. They expected their wife to stay at home doing the laundry and cook. The men of the past are glorified to a stupid extend. Loved my dad but he was a flawed old school man. He changed a lot over the years thought and was more modern toward the end.

Nobody should ever judge previous generations through a postmodern lens as far more often than not they would have done the exact same things that the people they are criticizing did. Most of us would be burning witches if we were born between 1400-1775 or would have owned slaves or benefited directly from slavery for the vast majority of human existence....unless of course you were unfortunate enough to have been a slave. An overwhelming majority of us would have championed colonial massacres of indigenous populations in new exciting lands and would have been chomping at the bit to come and settle them.

We are shaped by our environment and every generation believes that they are superior to their previous generations when in fact it is just an evolving environment that is responsible for their improved standards and it took renegades from the previous generation to provide the inertia for these changes to take place. Everybody wants to posit that they would have been such a renegade but they are blinded by their own bias........the same natural bias that likely would have had them falling into the contemporary zeitgeist of whatever generation that they were born into.

Humans are just humans and have not changed for tens of thousands of years. Only our behaviour has changed and that is solely due to archetypal social/educational evolution that past generations provide for following generations to continuously build on. Progress isn't always linear as malevolent ideologies occasionally derail the altruistic advances that are being made but corrections are eventually made and we carry on. The Us and Them problem isn't just a geographical/racial issue it is also a generational issue and it is always a poor way to encourage productive dialogue.

As far as trading for a goalie.......I think I have stated my disdain for wasting high picks on really young goaltenders enough on this board lol.

 

[salbutera]

I'm not sure being more interested in drinking than video games is a good thing. The whole concept of the alpha male of the 60ies-80ies is stupid and mostly perpetuated by kids who were not alive back in the days. I grew up in the 70ies and 80ies and back then the only thing men did was sit in front of a TV watching sports while drinking beers after working (being exploited) for 8 hours. Homer is a very good and totally accurate parody of what a man was in the 70ies and 80ies. Men used to drink and drive all the time they were even proud of it. They used to smoke like a power plant. They did not bother taking care of the kids. They expected their wife to stay at home doing the laundry and cook. The men of the past are glorified to a stupid extend. Loved my dad but he was a flawed old school man. He changed a lot over the years thought and was more modern toward the end.

Your father was modern for his generation … comparing different generations through lens of today is not apples to apples

 

[JRichard]

Man the Metro sucks

Atlantic vs Metro: 23-20-2

metro vs Pac 26-11-3
Atlant vs Pac 19-10-4

 

[DAChampion]

I think it's ok to make comparisons as long as it's even handed. Modern generations have their own problems. Probably shorter attention spans, fewer social connections, less handiness, among them.

 

[Kobe Armstrong]

March 8th could be interesting time for Montreal. They have many pieces likely to move. Monahan, Savard, Pearson, Matheson, Allen, Kovacevic.

We would be lucky to get a 2nd and a 3rd for this load of bums

 

[Kobe Armstrong]

I'm not sure being more interested in drinking than video games is a good thing. The whole concept of the alpha male of the 60ies-80ies is stupid and mostly perpetuated by kids who were not alive back in the days. I grew up in the 70ies and 80ies and back then the only thing men did was sit in front of a TV watching sports while drinking beers after working (being exploited) for 8 hours. Homer is a very good and totally accurate parody of what a man was in the 70ies and 80ies. Men used to drink and drive all the time they were even proud of it. They used to smoke like a power plant. They did not bother taking care of the kids. They expected their wife to stay at home doing the laundry and cook. The men of the past are glorified to a stupid extend. Loved my dad but he was a flawed old school man. He changed a lot over the years thought and was more modern toward the end.

This was back in the day where 1 person with a stable job could easily buy a home in the suburbs and support a family of 4+. If working 40 hours a week to provide for you entire family is considered exploitation than sign me up to get exploited. That isn't the reality anymore and unless you have a lot of financial help from your family, most young people are going to struggle and starting a family is an unrealistic goal.

As others have said we are shaped by our social conditions. While the life for women back then may have been unfulfilling, it was certainly much easier for many of them. I talk to women today who wish that they could just marry rich and be a stay at home Mom forever, but they have to work because society has changed, expectations have changed, dating has changed, people are less social, media is more toxic, things are more expensive, etc.

More freedom and options is always a good thing though, now women are less likely to get trapped by abusive men or join a relationship purely for financial gain, men are more open with their emotions and play a bigger role in their children's lives, but there will always be examples from the past and present that counter the current narrative. My grandmother never worked a day in her life and lived to be 95 in a beautiful house, she had an awesome life and she loved her husband. I also know a "video game dad" who is diabetic and lost his job and his breadwinner wife left him out of the blue and kicked him off her insurance plan.

 

[Paddy17]

Nobody should ever judge previous generations through a postmodern lens as far more often than not they would have done the exact same things that the people they are criticizing did. Most of us would be burning witches if we were born between 1400-1775 or would have owned slaves or benefited directly from slavery for the vast majority of human existence....unless of course you were unfortunate enough to have been a slave. An overwhelming majority of us would have championed colonial massacres of indigenous populations in new exciting lands and would have been chomping at the bit to come and settle them.

We are shaped by our environment and every generation believes that they are superior to their previous generations when in fact it is just an evolving environment that is responsible for their improved standards and it took renegades from the previous generation to provide the inertia for these changes to take place. Everybody wants to posit that they would have been such a renegade but they are blinded by their own bias........the same natural bias that likely would have had them falling into the contemporary zeitgeist of whatever generation that they were born into.

Humans are just humans and have not changed for tens of thousands of years. Only our behaviour has changed and that is solely due to archetypal social/educational evolution that past generations provide for following generations to continuously build on. Progress isn't always linear as malevolent ideologies occasionally derail the altruistic advances that are being made but corrections are eventually made and we carry on. The Us and Them problem isn't just a geographical/racial issue it is also a generational issue and it is always a poor way to encourage productive dialogue.

As far as trading for a goalie.......I think I have stated my disdain for wasting high picks on really young goaltenders enough on this board lol.

Humans will only evolve when there is a collective iron will to privilege reason over emotion, and science over opinions.

Unfortunately, that collective will is nowhere on the horizon.

I digress... I'll let people carry on with their hockey discussions. What player are we bashing on right now, already?

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

Humans will only evolve when there is a collective iron will to privilege reason over emotion, and science over opinions.

Unfortunately, that collective will is nowhere on the horizon.

I digress... I'll let people carry on with their hockey discussions. What player are we bashing on right now, already?

Agreed with the first sentence wholeheartedly but the second sentence is entirely incorrect as it is turmoil that spurns change and the seeds of change are always in the soil.

 

[HuGort]

Get that for Monahan alone.

We would be lucky to get a 2nd and a 3rd for this load of bums

 

[Kobe Armstrong]

Get that for Monahan alone.

Spend what we get for Monahan offloading cap dumps, and Monahan has been bad for 10 games

 

[Miller Time]

To Wash
Pearson

To Mtl
Mantha, 2nd
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To Colorado
Monahan, Kovacevic, Allen

To Mtl
1st, RyJo
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CC Suzuki Slaf
Anderson Dvorak Gally
Mantha RyJo Ylonen
Armia Evans Pez

Matheson Lindstrom
Guhle Barron
Strubble Norlinder

Monty
Primeau


Then sell on Mantha (& Armia, RyJo, Lindstrom if there are any takers) at the deadline for whatever peanuts/late picks are offered (retaining on Mantha if it helps)... By then, RHP, Harris, X, Savard & Newhook should be back.

 

[Garry Valk]

Tyson Barrie is available, effectively for free. UFA this coming summer. Would anyone take a flyer? May help the PP.

 

[Jared Dunn]

Newhook 10-12 weeks and the curse continues. I still think it's best to keep Joshua Roy in Laval for as much of the season as possible, is it worth giving Phil the Thrill a shot on a low money one year deal? Joel Armia is probably going to be in the top 9 tonight so feels like damn near anything would be an improvement