HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #86: 2023-2024 Season

[vokiel]

Look at Tampa without Vasilevskiy, they are trash. And Hill was amazing in the playoffs and without him they may have not won the cup. The Knights were a great team for sure but it takes a balance and you cannot win without a great goalie in my opinion.

You definitely can just look at the last decade. Hill wasn't a number 1 before rising up. His contract is very reasonable, but if he asks for a core contract for the next one, he'll probably be traded. That's the dynamic. Goaltenders are no longer part of the cores. Only a minority subsists. Teams are playing better percentages with Dmen and forwards.

 

[MTL Dirty Birdy]

Hopefully Habs are one of those teams inquiring

I get the impression from Hughes that he is very conservative towards the cap. Team friendly deals etc. A player who didn’t even commit to 12M in September will be priced out of Hughes price range

Yes but the original poster (I do respect him a lot) brings the salary on the discussion way before we have a great goalie. This is one of the problem with Habs. Recent history shows we overpaid for a lot of players. We needed desperatly a center to replace Koivu, Gainey signed Gomez around 8M, Bergy was desperate having a #1C, he traded a good D for a winger who never played center and overpaid him. We needed to replace Danault/Kotka, Bergy overpaid Dvorak. Bergy had to sign Gallagher, he overpaid him by at least 2M (and a long long contract). Bergy wanted a true physical winger who can drop gloves, he overpaid Anderson. Bergy needed an offensive winger to replace Tatar, he overpaid Hoffman, etc.

The philosophy of the Habs is we need a type of player, we overpay him and we hope he will deliver according to his salary. I hope fans learned a lesson from the past.

The difference between Bergevin and Hughes from my perspective? Bergevin signed contracts when value was at its highest and best days were behind them. Hughes is commuting long term and betting on development. He isn’t doing “show me” bridge deals etc. It’s the right way to go

 

[Catanddogguitarrr]

Look at Tampa without Vasilevskiy, they are trash. And Hill was amazing in the playoffs and without him they may have not won the cup. The Knights were a great team for sure but it takes a balance and you cannot win without a great goalie in my opinion.

But many times great goalies are unpredictable. Until they win a Cup, nobody knew they were that good. Average goalies wins Cup on an hot streak and they become overhyped. Vasi is the only top goalie I can name for sure.

 

[le_sean]

But many times great goalies are unpredictable. Until they win a Cup, nobody knew they were that good. Average goalies wins Cup on an hot streak and they become overhyped. Vasi is the only top goalie I can name for sure.

Yes it’s more about getting hot at the right time. Guys like Cam Ward, Corey Crawford, Jordan Binnington, Braden Holtby, Adin Hill. They are pretty average for the most part

 

[Mrb1p]

Allen was never going to return a "high end asset" in a trade. Backup goalies never do - - and neither do average to mediocre starters.

A 2nd for sure.

 

[Nico Cauzuki]

I get the impression from Hughes that he is very conservative towards the cap. Team friendly deals etc. A player who didn’t even commit to 12M in September will be priced out of Hughes price range

Theres 0 chance Hughes or any GM would pass on someone like Petterson because of money

Petterson is a superstar probably even a top 10 C in the league

 

[The Real Timo]

Any trades yet? Come on Kenny boi. Make some. Get us more firsts for Allen, Gallagher and Anderson! Bergy would do it.

 

[Captain Mountain]

I get the impression from Hughes that he is very conservative towards the cap. Team friendly deals etc. A player who didn’t even commit to 12M in September will be priced out of Hughes price range


The difference between Bergevin and Hughes from my perspective? Bergevin signed contracts when value was at its highest and best days were behind them. Hughes is commuting long term and betting on development. He isn’t doing “show me” bridge deals etc. It’s the right way to go

I don't know how anyone can get that impression given the constraints Hughes has had. Montreal has had zero cap flexibility thus far under Hughes tenure. He's been limited to staying out of the free agent market and making rebuilding type trades. Balancing LTIR, selling pieces and taking on short term cap to accrue futures. He hasn't made a big move cap wise (other than, you know, Caufield), because he was severely limited in what he could do. Even a trade like the Monahan from Calgary one doesn't happen until the team got guidance that it was very unlikely Price would play again.

I fully expect Pettersson to re-sign in Vancouver, but I highly doubt he'd be out of Hughes' price range. Pettersson is a top 10 C in the NHL and from the same draft class as Suzuki, he fits the core.

 

[sampollock]

I need a deal, KH what you up to???

 

[Rapala]

I need a deal, KH what you up to???

It's not only Red Fisher's saying "Show me the players"...
it's 31 other GM's.

 

[Team_Spirit]

Why would they trade their young gun for Barron and a the Jets 1st

These blogs man

 

[sampollock]

Why would they trade their young gun for Barron and a the Jets 1st

These blogs man

let's hope he can pull this off somehow.

 

[HuGort]

Allen was never going to return a "high end asset" in a trade. Backup goalies never do - - and neither do average to mediocre starters.

He'd returned about a 2nd

 

[LaP]

Why would they trade their young gun for Barron and a the Jets 1st

These blogs man

Habs Fanatics should be banned from this board. It's a piece of exploitative trash.

 

[Spring in Fialta]

Yes it’s more about getting hot at the right time. Guys like Cam Ward, Corey Crawford, Jordan Binnington, Braden Holtby, Adin Hill. They are pretty average for the most part

I wouldn't put Holtby and Crawford in there. Holtby's career with a whisper but I believe he was a Vezina winner and had many excellent years for the Capitals. Crawford was an awesome starter for a lot of years. Very underrated despite the cups.

 

[ML16]

Yes but the original poster (I do respect him a lot) brings the salary on the discussion way before we have a great goalie. This is one of the problem with Habs. Recent history shows we overpaid for a lot of players. We needed desperatly a center to replace Koivu, Gainey signed Gomez around 8M, Bergy was desperate having a #1C, he traded a good D for a winger who never played center and overpaid him. We needed to replace Danault/Kotka, Bergy overpaid Dvorak. Bergy had to sign Gallagher, he overpaid him by at least 2M (and a long long contract). Bergy wanted a true physical winger who can drop gloves, he overpaid Anderson. Bergy needed an offensive winger to replace Tatar, he overpaid Hoffman, etc.

The philosophy of the Habs is we need a type of player, we overpay him and we hope he will deliver according to his salary. I hope fans learned a lesson from the past.

Hughes seems to avoid that trend so far, so let’s hope it continues that way. But I’d add that overpaying is not always the crux of the issue. Overpaying in a trade (not in FA signings) to bolster an organizational weakness could eventually prove useful, but only if the Habs are actual contenders - and deep enough to support said overpayment. Julien Brisebois’ modus operandi in Tampa Bay a few years back comes to mind.

 

[SwiftyHab]

Why would they trade their young gun for Barron and a the Jets 1st

These blogs man

Hey @Runner77 Is this a @sampollock special?

 

[MTL Dirty Birdy]

Theres 0 chance Hughes or any GM would pass on someone like Petterson because of money

Petterson is a superstar probably even a top 10 C in the league

I wouldn’t put it past him. He talks about the long term all the time. Signing EP at 12m will be the first block towards Cap issues. Tough to justify 4 million extra over Suzuki with the way Hughes thinks. I’m not diminishing EP, it’s just Hughes has reapeatedlynmentioned his philosophy on salary, retention etc

 

[sampollock]

Hey @Runner77 Is this a @sampollock special?

nope...
lol
not this time

 

[Pompeius Magnus]

I wouldn’t put it past him. He talks about the long term all the time. Signing EP at 12m will be the first block towards Cap issues. Tough to justify 4 million extra over Suzuki with the way Hughes thinks. I’m not diminishing EP, it’s just Hughes has reapeatedlynmentioned his philosophy on salary, retention etc

I'm pretty confident HuGo would make an exception for a player of that caliber. You don't get many chances of signing a true 1A center already established and in his prime, you do whatever it takes and you deal with the consequences later. A maximum contract is the one card we have anyway, realistically he has very little reason to pick us other than money.

 

[Habs Icing]

Why would they trade their young gun for Barron and a the Jets 1st

These blogs man

They couldn't even get the kid's nationality right (claim he's a Yankee Doodle Dandy), how could they ever get this trade right?

 

[Habs 4 Life]

Been so slow on the trade front around the league, we need the floodgates to open here with a big move

 

[SwiftyHab]

Anyone catch this segment?
Can we trade Anderson?

Pagnotta: Teams are looking at Anderson

Dave Pagnotta of The Fourth Period joins Campbell vs Gallo and discusses how tough it would be to fnd and deal for Josh Anderson, but teams are looking

www.tsn.ca

 

[LaP]

I wouldn’t put it past him. He talks about the long term all the time. Signing EP at 12m will be the first block towards Cap issues. Tough to justify 4 million extra over Suzuki with the way Hughes thinks. I’m not diminishing EP, it’s just Hughes has reapeatedlynmentioned his philosophy on salary, retention etc

Signing EP as a UFA would be in line with what Gorton did in the past (Chara, Panarin). And Gorton hired KH. I assume they talked about things like that in the interview. This said EP is RFA so wont happen. Vancouver would match anyway.

 

[Garry Valk]

Anyone catch this segment?
Can we trade Anderson?

Pagnotta: Teams are looking at Anderson

Dave Pagnotta of The Fourth Period joins Campbell vs Gallo and discusses how tough it would be to fnd and deal for Josh Anderson, but teams are looking

www.tsn.ca

He said multiple teams have been looking at him, and his value is about the same as it was a year ago