HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #86: 2023-2024 Season

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HuGort

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I think Montreal could and might be better off asking for 1st round picks in later years. if they get 1st in 2025, 2026 etc. they can:

Spread their picks and have multiple 1sts in multiple years. This would allow them to spread ELC and development through several years even as they begin to contend.

It allows more time for picks to develop without the pressure of having to be the immediate messiah Habs need to win.

They’re also have 1st round pick ammunition to make trades for several years. As you never know who’ll be available in any given year, it spreads the players available for trade over a longer period and gives you more options.

Also, it gives the team who’s trading the pick(s) more time to faulter, like we’re seeing with Calgary. Most teams only have a 2-4 year window of being competitive, so the longer away from their dominant year(s) their pick is, the better the odds of getting a better pick.

It means more patience and development over a greater period of time, but it could be well worth it over getting several picks in one year and who knows what the quality of the draft will be.

Im sure there are more reasons but those are off the top of my head.
I could go for that. Acquiring future first round picks. See who we get in this draft first. Before we trade for a goal scorer. Defensemen usually go higher than rated so a top forward maybe still on the board when we pick we weren't expecting. Could be Lindstrom or Catton.
 

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I think Montreal could and might be better off asking for 1st round picks in later years. if they get 1st in 2025, 2026 etc. they can:

Spread their picks and have multiple 1sts in multiple years. This would allow them to spread ELC and development through several years even as they begin to contend.

It allows more time for picks to develop without the pressure of having to be the immediate messiah Habs need to win.

They’re also have 1st round pick ammunition to make trades for several years. As you never know who’ll be available in any given year, it spreads the players available for trade over a longer period and gives you more options.

Also, it gives the team who’s trading the pick(s) more time to faulter, like we’re seeing with Calgary. Most teams only have a 2-4 year window of being competitive, so the longer away from their dominant year(s) their pick is, the better the odds of getting a better pick.

It means more patience and development over a greater period of time, but it could be well worth it over getting several picks in one year and who knows what the quality of the draft will be.

Im sure there are more reasons but those are off the top of my head.
Yes let s ask for 2030 pick and try to find 5 franchise players over the next 15 years and be contender in 2050 !
 
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Yes let s ask for 2030 pick and try to find 5 franchise players over the next 15 years and be contender in 2050 !
Or just go 2040-2050 picks while you’re at it.

The whole point if you read the post is to keep having multiple 1sts WHILE they’re competing to use as draft picks or trade bait, not to be in a never ending loop of rebuilding.
 
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Or just go 2040-2050 picks while you’re at it.

The whole point if you read the post is to keep having multiple 1sts WHILE they’re competing to use as draft picks or trade bait, not to be in a never ending loop of rebuilding.
That s a problem for later. The problem now is the lack of talent and lack of system.
 

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Unfortunately, I don't see us doing much anything besides trading Monahan. One of Matheson/Savard needs to get traded, I think Savard at 50% would net a good return but we already have the greenest defense in the league. Dvorak is immovable, Evans would be a next year trade if we go down that route, Anderson can't be traded because of his contract but also we need size and speed despite his massive flaws, Gallagher has one of the worst contracts in the league so he can't go anywhere, Armia can't be traded unless we retain 50%, Allen might net a mid round pick, and Kovacevic's massive decline would get us a mid round pick at best too.

Ideally in the offseason, we trade both Harris and Barron, then trade one of the vet forwards/Allen for a vet dman of similar caliber which can facilitate trading Matheson/Savard.
Doubt that Savard nets more than a 2nd round pick, even at 50%. What's the point of trading Savard this year, with the little depth on the right side of our D-Corps and the better usage of Reinbacher getting settled into playing on North American ice in Laval, away from the limelight in Montreal?

By the trade deadline next season, Savard at 50% is likely still worth a 2nd round pick, or, at worst, a 3rd round pick.

Matheson is the only D worth a serious return back, especially at 2.4375M if Hughes holds back 50% of his salary, but the something applies with actual quality depth on the left side and player development.

Outside of Guhle, Matheson is currently the only top-4 LHD material the team at the NHL level. Hutson will likely make the jump to pro hockey after the playoffs for histamine the NCAA are over. He'll get a few games in the NHL to round out 2024, much like Farrell did last season, but it might be wiser to saddle him alongside Reinbacher in Laval to start off the 2024-2025 season. It will give Hutson a chance to develop chemistry with Reinbacher as he gets used the switch in pace from the NCAA to the pro ranks in the AHL.

I'd try to move Harris at this deadline, or the following offseason if no move can be made earlier, to make some room on the NHL roster, but we shouldn't expect much a return for Harris. He might get us a 2nd round pick or, at least, the 3rd round pick it cost us to draft him, but not much more.

I'd keep Kovacevic as depth and keep Barron around as the 7th D who can provide an insurance policy in case of injuries. His value will be greater as an add-on, later, in larger trade, IMO, than as the main course in a sub-par meal.

I'd start the season in Montreal by bringing up the Xhekaj-Mailloux pairing as the 3rd pairing.

With a D-Corps of:

Matheson - Guhle
Struble - Savard
Xhekaj - Mailloux
Barron, Kovacevic

until we ease in Reinbacher and Hutson post trade deadline in 2025, we can properly keep developing Reinbacher and Hutson in Laval, as well as Struble, Xhekaj, Mailloux and Barron in Montreal, with Mailloux being the only one that has zero NHL experience .

In the meantime, coming off a 50-60 point season, Matheson keeps getting a 1st pairing and PP role with the Habs (and Guhle this time, over Savard, even if on his off side at RD).

Savard is less exposed on a more defensive 2nd pairing with Struble.

That way, both veterans that will be moved at the deadline can continue building up their values in a more proper role.

Matheson should keep pacing at a 50-60 point offensive production for a 2nd consecutive season and confirm his coming of age, at 30, as an offensive, PMD who can play a top-4 role.

Savard, playing less minutes as a 2nd pairing Din more a defensive role, will be less exposed and make a better case as a defensive depth addition to a playoff roster.

Xhekaj - Mailloux and Struble - Savard can get comparable minutes, depending on their play.

At the deadline, with Matheson, Savard and Barron traded (I'd package Barron in a Matheson trade), we'd have a D-Corps of:

Guhle - Reinbacher
Hutson - Struble
Xhekaj - Mailloux

with the bottom two pairings getting similar TOI and providing regular offensive upside. Guhle - Reinbacher can act as a shutdown pairing against the opponents' best players while still providing some offensive upside with their transition game.

At the 2024 trade deadline, Monahan should be the only player traded that brings back any value. Hopefully, that will be a late first round pick AND a decent prospect, or a Grade A prospect and a 2nd round pick.

A healthy, 55-point veteran C/W with an expiring 2M contract, with skill and hockey IQ, some grit and physicality, leadership qualities, plus a 56.4% in the dot, should have real value for a team looking to make it deep in the hunt for Lord Stanley's Cup.

But, beyond that, don't expect much more.
 

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Mark Kastelic might be available .


Cheaper than Evans, less offensively skilled than Evans and not as smart .

Both are good on faceoffs.

Would give Montreal another tough guy and a physical player.

Not a trade as Ottawa wouldn't want Evans, but for the 4th line as a possibility.
 

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Mark Kastelic might be available .


Cheaper than Evans, less offensively skilled than Evans and not as smart .

Both are good on faceoffs.

Would give Montreal another tough guy and a physical player.

Not a trade as Ottawa wouldn't want Evans, but for the 4th line as a possibility.
Evans has some of the best defensive metrics in the league, sens would trade kastelic for him any day and most teams would be thrilled to have him as a 4C. Kastelic is a guy who's only in the league because there's 32 teams.
 

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Apparently the Sabres are shopping Mittlestatd ? Big if true, the Habs should be all over this. He'd fit in perfectly either at 3C or 2C for us, he adds size, defensive acumen and grittiness. He can also play wing and would look fantastic in our top 6.

I have legit not idea why the Sabres would do this, as they should be moving Kulich, Rosen, Quinn, Peterka wayyyyy before their best two-way forward but hey, what ever. Sadly I don't think the Habs have what it takes to pull it, Struble/Harris/Barron/Xhekaj won't cut it, neither will Matheson and Im certainly not moving Guhle/Reinbacher for him.

I mean, Id probably do a 1 for 1 for Reinbacher considering this draft but I wouldn't be happy about it.
 

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Apparently the Sabres are shopping Mittlestatd ? Big if true, the Habs should be all over this. He'd fit in perfectly either at 3C or 2C for us, he adds size, defensive acumen and grittiness. He can also play wing and would look fantastic in our top 6.

I have legit not idea why the Sabres would do this, as they should be moving Kulich, Rosen, Quinn, Peterka wayyyyy before their best two-way forward but hey, what ever. Sadly I don't think the Habs have what it takes to pull it, Struble/Harris/Barron/Xhekaj won't cut it, neither will Matheson and Im certainly not moving Guhle/Reinbacher for him.

I mean, Id probably do a 1 for 1 for Reinbacher considering this draft but I wouldn't be happy about it.
Bahahah....this would be a downright terrible decision. There's no reason to even contemplate this trade unless one has been huffing gas or something lol
 

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Evans has some of the best defensive metrics in the league, sens would trade kastelic for him any day and most teams would be thrilled to have him as a 4C. Kastelic is a guy who's only in the league
because there's 32 teams.
Kastelic brings a lot that's why he's where he is.

Have him replace Pezzetta and if they deal Dvorak, have Evans move up, Kastelic to move into the 4th.

Apparently the Sabres are shopping Mittlestatd ? Big if true, the Habs should be all over this. He'd fit in perfectly either at 3C or 2C for us, he adds size, defensive acumen and grittiness. He can also play wing and would look fantastic in our top 6.

I have legit not idea why the Sabres would do this, as they should be moving Kulich, Rosen, Quinn, Peterka wayyyyy before their best two-way forward but hey, what ever. Sadly I don't think the Habs have what it takes to pull it, Struble/Harris/Barron/Xhekaj won't cut it, neither will Matheson and Im certainly not moving Guhle/Reinbacher for him.

I mean, Id probably do a 1 for 1 for Reinbacher considering this draft but I wouldn't be happy about it.
He isn't gritty. He's very soft.
 

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Something I'm doubting very much: Primeau at 24 yo, 25 in August still has potential unseen.

Charlie Lindgren was nothing when he left here and he's a starter at 29. Sam started being a starter at 26. Demko started being a starter at 25. Thats just a few examples.

We were graced with Price and now our perception of reality is all warped.

Trade Matheson for the highest pick you can get
A retained matheson would probably get a very big package. They need to get creative and get value out of him.
Bahahah....this would be a downright terrible decision. There's no reason to even contemplate this trade unless one has been huffing gas or something lol
I mean, a 2C/1W like Mittlestatd that would fit in seamlessly is pretty much worth around that. It's a bit rich, which is why I said I wouldn't be happy about it, but something has to be done with the amount of D's we have.

Kastelic brings a lot that's why he's where he is.

Have him replace Pezzetta and if they deal Dvorak, have Evans move up, Kastelic to move into the 4th.


He isn't gritty. He's very soft.
Mittlestatd used to be super soft in NCAA but he's evolved his game quite a bit. He's good down low and will mix it up in the middle. He's not gonna hit, but he does a lot of the dirty work. Similar way to Plekanec with us.
 

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Bahahah....this would be a downright terrible decision. There's no reason to even contemplate this trade unless one has been huffing gas or something lol

you could just disagree, instead of accusing someone of huffing fumes because they have a different idea lol. C'mon Deebs, you aren't a rookie here anymore ;)
 

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I mean, a 2C/1W like Mittlestatd that would fit in seamlessly is pretty much worth around that. It's a bit rich, which is why I said I wouldn't be happy about it, but something has to be done with the amount of D's we have.
We can't trade our top prospect for a 50-60 point player. I'm open to trading anybody but only if it makes our team better. This doesn't move the needle enough.
 

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What we really need to take the next step is a superstar forward preferably a center .Love Suzuki but i wouldn't consider him to be this .It's time for Hughes to put something together to obtain this if available.We have way too many defensemen,goalies and draft picks.There has to be a way.We are making slow progress but really just spinning our tires.
 

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CASEY MITTELSTADT is not a bad option, but one would hope that both Suzuki and Dach will bring better production as Cs in the top-6 once the roster is filled with more talent up front and more mature.
What are you talking about? I huff fumes every morning with my tea and biscuits. It opens up the nasal passage.
Over-rated, especially as a health regimen to open up the nasal passages.
 
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Friedman reiterates that the Habs have been asked about Xhekaj.

Philly is probably one of those teams, says he's not sure if that was a Gauthier thing, or not.
 

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Friedman reiterates that the Habs have been asked about Xhekaj.

Philly is probably one of those teams, says he's not sure if that was a Gauthier thing, or not.
You see that's why Friedman is deceptive. Those teams wanted to know what Costco Xhekaj worked at. They were thinking of incorporating it into their development program.
 

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"More likely a 1rst rd pick than a 5th", lol, you abuse substances more than the two guys on my avatar.

Habs have a ton of 1rst, second and third rounders in the next 2 years. Adding another let's say a 3rd will give what? Habs will have time and energy to developp a ton of draft picks, correctly? What they need is another Dach or Newhook. If Savard can help bring that kind of player, fine, but he'doesn't have enough value. You don't think he have such value if you're honest and you think a gm will not know what you know?

This a typical case where the player were we have have more value for us than for others. I think Matheson have more value for other teams (he's younger) but mostly Monahan and Armia. We have tons of good ds coming, a d like Harris could be attractive in a trade, in a combo trade including other players.

I'm not forming opinions because I think I know more than GMs. I think he has more value because insiders have intimated that he does.

And while I suspect that Savard has more value off the ice for Montreal, my argument is that he less value on-ice in Montreal because he has to take on responsibility that he shouldn't in Montreal and the Habs don't have the players to properly account for his weaknesses (and most playoff/contending teams do).
 

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What we really need to take the next step is a superstar forward preferably a center .Love Suzuki but i wouldn't consider him to be this .It's time for Hughes to put something together to obtain this if available.We have way too many defensemen,goalies and draft picks.There has to be a way.We are making slow progress but really just spinning our tires.

It's time now?

What if we win the lottery for Celebrini?

We have a lot of defenseman but we don't know which defenseman are our long term pieces or our trade fodder.

Its year 2 of 5/8. There is no reason to be doing anything unless the opportunity cost is right.

This is what a rebuild looks like - it takes time for this to come together. We aren't even close to that stage.
 
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