HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #86: 2023-2024 Season

[Rapala]

I think the Kings will be patient with Dubois. He's just 25 and has proven to be better than that in the past.
But if they decide that his cap hit would be better spent elsewhere, i would listen if i'm Montreal.
But the Kings won't trade PLD for Gally. That's a bit ridiculous.

I'd offer Monahan (and a ton of cap space) for PLD.

Of course they will. They can't afford to give up on the move even though most of us thought it was a bad deal.

 

[yianik]

Maybe he can share it with Allen.


LA.
Drafted by Columbus, traded to Jets, then traded to LA.

Lol. I'd say read it word for word to him.

 

[Catanddogguitarrr]

Do we want to target Turcotte on the Kings? What do we have to give if we do?

They need a goalie. Allen or if they want more : Primeau. But Primeau could become potentially a top goalie. I think Armia could help them too.

 

[yianik]

Winners and losers of PLD trade to LA.

Winners: 1. Jets - got a great haul. 2. Jets- didn't sign PLD 3. PLD- got a huge contract. Habs- didn't trade for PLD.

Losers: LA.

Things will likely change. I can't believe PLD is going to keep playing and producing like this. But the guy is certainly a head case, no question. Not somebody you can rely on.

 

[Deus ex machina]

Pagnotta with the scoop.
But...but...but...it can't be...

 

[yianik]

Pagnotta with the scoop.
But...but...but...it can't be...

Would be a great add by the Oil. Toronto just never gets it.

 

[SannywithoutCompy]

He is a 50 pt forward. Maybe Barron for him.


Exactly. He is semi retired there. He isn't leaving of his own volition.

He'll be a 50 pt forward by the 60 game mark. He's been scoring at a 70 pt pace since the latter half of last year

 

[Catanddogguitarrr]

Of course they will. They can't afford to give up on the move even though most of us thought it was a bad deal.

They have an open window of 3 years. It will depend of the slow decline of Doughty and Kopitar. The overall team is fairly good but having 32 nhl teams place the Kings in a relative top. There is plenty good teams. Dubois can have his best year in 2 years, Kings have the luxury to wait.

 

[Kimota]

Pagnotta with the scoop.
But...but...but...it can't be...

Pretty good by them. If they get to the playoffs, watch out.

 

[bonneaug]

I hope we sell high for our reliable, contract expiring, stud 7th D Chris Wideman

 

[McGees]

Basu and Godin - exact same page as me regarding trading Savard now instead of next year...and Barron might be best to to be trade bait if Guhle stays on right side.

 

[HuGort]

Playing like shit isn't quitting on the team. If he asks for a trade in LA, then he quits on a 3rd team. Because the reason he quit on Columbus and Winnipeg is because he asked to be traded from both teams.

No effort there right.

Dubois is talented big strong man. But no heart. His raw skill he will average 45-50 points a year. But at 8.5.million for 7 more years he has no value. If it tough in playoffs he is going to quit on you. May have his good stretches but Going to be too much turmoil here in Montreal. When he turtles I mean. Team don't need that distraction.

 

[The Great Weal]

Unfortunately, I don't see us doing much anything besides trading Monahan. One of Matheson/Savard needs to get traded, I think Savard at 50% would net a good return but we already have the greenest defense in the league. Dvorak is immovable, Evans would be a next year trade if we go down that route, Anderson can't be traded because of his contract but also we need size and speed despite his massive flaws, Gallagher has one of the worst contracts in the league so he can't go anywhere, Armia can't be traded unless we retain 50%, Allen might net a mid round pick, and Kovacevic's massive decline would get us a mid round pick at best too.

Ideally in the offseason, we trade both Harris and Barron, then trade one of the vet forwards/Allen for a vet dman of similar caliber which can facilitate trading Matheson/Savard.

 

[vokiel]

They need a goalie. Allen or if they want more : Primeau. But Primeau could become potentially a top goalie. I think Armia could help them too.

Something I'm doubting very much: Primeau at 24 yo, 25 in August still has potential unseen.

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

Trade Matheson for the highest pick you can get

 

[The Great Weal]

We can also add that both are 29 years old and were drafted 5th and 6th in 2013. Also:
Lindholm: 788 gp, 211g, 332a for 543 pts (0.689ppg)
Monahan: 726 gp, 229g, 278a for 507 pts (0.698ppg)

They are like twins.

And this comparison makes me wonder why the media claims teams are more interested in Lindholm when they don't have the cap space for him. Calgary is scoring a lot more than the Habs too.

Well Lindholm is a vastly superior skater and defensive player. Monahan has gotten nearly half of his points on the PP this year. It's pretty evident why Lindholm would be option A for every team and Calgary can easily retain to make the cap work by retaining.

 

[Sterling Archer]

I think Montreal could and might be better off asking for 1st round picks in later years. if they get 1st in 2025, 2026 etc. they can:

Spread their picks and have multiple 1sts in multiple years. This would allow them to spread ELC and development through several years even as they begin to contend.

It allows more time for picks to develop without the pressure of having to be the immediate messiah Habs need to win.

They’re also have 1st round pick ammunition to make trades for several years. As you never know who’ll be available in any given year, it spreads the players available for trade over a longer period and gives you more options.

Also, it gives the team who’s trading the pick(s) more time to faulter, like we’re seeing with Calgary. Most teams only have a 2-4 year window of being competitive, so the longer away from their dominant year(s) their pick is, the better the odds of getting a better pick.

It means more patience and development over a greater period of time, but it could be well worth it over getting several picks in one year and who knows what the quality of the draft will be.

Im sure there are more reasons but those are off the top of my head.

 

[Catanddogguitarrr]

Something I'm doubting very much: Primeau at 24 yo, 25 in August still has potential unseen.

I beleive in his unseen potential, that's why I wrote he could become a top goalie, well, potentially. If Kings or another team wants him, the return have to be great. But Allen in LA, that's a dream, I seriously doubt they want JA in LA land.

 

[Runner77]

I think Montreal could and might be better off asking for 1st round picks in later years. if they get 1st in 2025, 2026 etc. they can:

Spread their picks and have multiple 1sts in multiple years. This would allow them to spread ELC and development through several years even as they begin to contend.

It allows more time for picks to develop without the pressure of having to be the immediate messiah Habs need to win.

They’re also have 1st round pick ammunition to make trades for several years. As you never know who’ll be available in any given year, it spreads the players available for trade over a longer period and gives you more options.

Also, it gives the team who’s trading the pick(s) more time to faulter, like we’re seeing with Calgary. Most teams only have a 2-4 year window of being competitive, so the longer away from their dominant year(s) their pick is, the better the odds of getting a better pick.

It means more patience and development over a greater period of time, but it could be well worth it over getting several picks in one year and who knows what the quality of the draft will be.

Im sure there are more reasons but those are off the top of my head.

If the Habs have the luxury of an accommodating trading partner, why not.

Otherwise, I’d just be happy with Hughes doing his due diligence and maximizing returns any which way.

We’re sorely missing elite scoring talent with size. Package picks and redundant assets and find creative ways to get there but let’s see Hughes take concrete steps toward that and the rest will fall into place.

 

[DAChampion]

Playing like shit isn't quitting on the team.

It's quiet quitting

 

[Kobe Armstrong]

I think Monahan + for Johansen + 1st is the most obvious trade

Montreal gets a replacement center for 2 years at 4 mil, and Johansen's negative value increases the return on Monahan to a 1st. Probably still a bit rich for the Avs so a small + to counterbalance

 

[CAUFIELD]

I think Monahan + for Johansen + 1st is the most obvious trade

Montreal gets a replacement center for 2 years at 4 mil, and Johansen's negative value increases the return on Monahan to a 1st. Probably still a bit rich for the Avs so a small + to counterbalance

A late 1st wouldn’t be too rich . Taking on a bad contract for another year + giving Monahan his worth more than a late 1st

 

[Miller Time]

If the Habs have the luxury of an accommodating trading partner, why not.

Otherwise, I’d just be happy with Hughes doing his due diligence and maximizing returns any which way.

We’re sorely missing elite scoring talent with size. Package picks and redundant assets and find creative ways to get there but let’s see Hughes take concrete steps toward that and the rest will fall into place.

While not huge, I'd be interested in Hughes kicking tires on Dellandrea...

He's got a sturdy frame, good skater, dangerous offensive tools that he hasn't yet translated to NHL production, but like Newhook, he might take a step forward getting a shot away from a contending deep veteran roster

 

[Deus ex machina]

It's quiet quitting

So he went to LA for the money but in his heart, he still wants to be a hab. Is that it?

 

[Kobe Armstrong]

A late 1st wouldn’t be too rich . Taking on a bad contract for another year + giving Monahan his worth more than a late 1st

We'll see, I hope you are right